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They're all just keeping the position warm for healthy Hakuoho.
SUMO - 2023 Aki Basho (Sept 10th - Sept 24th)
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They're all just keeping the position warm for healthy Hakuoho.
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Weird way to end a weird basho. On to the next one!
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Looking around on Sumo Twitter, so many people are so miserable because Takakeisho won the way he did.
I will never understand being so upset at using a legal tactic to win.
Anyway, GOAT don't care.
I will never understand being so upset at using a legal tactic to win.
Anyway, GOAT don't care.
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it's probably because it was underwhelming and it hurt the cindarella story of atamifuji. you kinda wanted a fight, you know? and we didn't get one.
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Really impressed by Midorifuji after 7 days he was 2 - 5 and he ends with a 10 - 5 solid stuff
This was a weird basho, lots of disappointing performances but some really great ones too. Atamifuji looked great, big dumb tree did better and while people are touting him as greatly improved I don't know. His competition was lesser this time. Let's see how he does in November. Nephew put himself in a bad place but I think he'll be focused next time and we'll see proper Ozeki Sumo.
Special Prizes
Shukun-Sho (Outstanding Performance) Nobody
Kanto-Sho (Fighting Spirit) Atamifuji
Gino-Sho (Technique) Nobody
This was a weird basho, lots of disappointing performances but some really great ones too. Atamifuji looked great, big dumb tree did better and while people are touting him as greatly improved I don't know. His competition was lesser this time. Let's see how he does in November. Nephew put himself in a bad place but I think he'll be focused next time and we'll see proper Ozeki Sumo.
Special Prizes
Shukun-Sho (Outstanding Performance) Nobody
Kanto-Sho (Fighting Spirit) Atamifuji
Gino-Sho (Technique) Nobody
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I am not bothered in the least. Honestly, I feel Keisho beat him in the mental game before the tachiai and that's equally as important.
Winning is winning and until they ban that sort of move, I'll never be mad at it but I will laugh at people throwing a tantrum over it (some people I saw on twitter had an absolute meltdown)
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Midorifuji and Daieisho had such poor starts to finish at 10-5 is very impressive. This just was a weird basho. Kind of a dud with a big dud cherry on top with the Henka finisher.
I don’t like Henka as it’s against the spirit of sumo, but it’s a legal move and sometimes is just a way to capitalize on your opponent’s aggressiveness.
Atamifuji nearly jumped at the start so Keisho knew he had a Henka in the bag.
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Genuine question that comes out of all the henka discourse today.
When you win and you get the Emperor's Cup and I guess the main event spot at Wrestle Kingdom in the Tokyo Dome what else comes with this?
Do you win money? Is there a winners bonus? Is it just a parade and less time to train?
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Been behind the whole tournament and finally caught up and watched the final day. I can definitely see both sides of the great henka debate, and I think I typically come down on the "it's all in the game baby" side. One of my favorite wrestlers of all time, Tokitenku used henka into ketaguri all the time and I loved him for it.
Buuuuuuuut this time I'm on the "no sir, I don't like it" side. I loved Hakuho's henka on Kisenosato, and when the top dogs pull them on each other I get it. But it does feel particularly objectionable to see an Ozeki with previous yusho under his belt pull it off against a M15 guy in his second top division tournament no matter how promising he is. And it was a big bummer of a way to wrap up the tournament. I dunno, my thoughts could also be biased because of my dislike of Takakeisho and my like of Atamifuji.
And I think @Rob Battisti is right... the near matta at the start probably tipped Takakeisho off.
Good stuff from Atamifuji anyway.
And really glad to see Hoshoryu fight his way back to 8 wins.
Buuuuuuuut this time I'm on the "no sir, I don't like it" side. I loved Hakuho's henka on Kisenosato, and when the top dogs pull them on each other I get it. But it does feel particularly objectionable to see an Ozeki with previous yusho under his belt pull it off against a M15 guy in his second top division tournament no matter how promising he is. And it was a big bummer of a way to wrap up the tournament. I dunno, my thoughts could also be biased because of my dislike of Takakeisho and my like of Atamifuji.
And I think @Rob Battisti is right... the near matta at the start probably tipped Takakeisho off.
Good stuff from Atamifuji anyway.
And really glad to see Hoshoryu fight his way back to 8 wins.
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There is definitely a decent amount of prize money for winning the yusho.
I think there are also a lot of weird gifts that come from various corporations and foreign governments.
I can't find a complete list but for example Israel gives the yusho winner a bunch of Israeli dates and wines and presents them with a trophy (a shofar mounted on a stand) although the trophy stays with the Sumo Association.
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there's a Sumopedia video on the yusho prizes here, although it's not complete:
i also found this list from SumoForum along with some interesting stories. the format is weird, but it's so long i'll just copy/paste it:
Orion’s List: Trophies and Prizes presented to the Yusho winner
(not entirely up-to-date and there are some local variations)
1) The Emperor’s Cup: Tenno Shihai
It weighs 29 kg. (64 lbs.) and can hold 36 litres of liquid—except
that the lid is soldered on!
2). Yusho Banner (Yusho-ki優勝期)
The Emperor’s Cup and the banner are presented by one of the three
chief judges at the beginning of the presentation ceremony on the final
day of the basho. The two symbols are returned to the Kyokai’s keeping
in a sort of reverse ceremony held after the Makunouchi and Yokozuna
dohyo-iri on the first day of the next basho. Small replicas are given
to the yusho winner to keep.
3). The Prime Minister’s Prize
Actually another trophy—a large silver cup that is bigger and much
heavier than the Emperor’s Cup. It is also more unwieldy, since the
Emperor’s Cup has a slender stem that affords a firm grip and a good
balance.
4). Other prominent trophies are regularly presented, and are here given
in approximate order of presentation (which varies a little). Note that
the trophies remain in the Kokugikan, but most of them also carry a
personal prize which the yusho winner keeps. The prefectural ones
usually feature a large quantity of the local specialty, be it dried
fungus or small shellfish. Many also include a sum of money. The
following is the basic list.
5 Czech Republic: tall fluted bowl cut glass (replacing older one
inscribed EXPO ‘70), plus a year’s supply of Pilsner beer
6 United Arab Emirates: giant coffee pot some 40 cm. tall, made of
handbeaten silver with gold inlay, plus a year’s supply of gasoline
7 Hungary: huge red cloisonne jar, plus an individual tea-set
8 China-Japan Friendship Cup: lidded cup in blue cloisonne with a design
of Mount Fuji, pine and cherry blossom on a blue background
9 [not now, Sarkozy’s hostile] French President’s Cup (Chirac!): huge
dark ceramic piece.
10 Mongolian Prime Minister’s Trophy: large silver bowl held up by three
Mongolian wrestlers, replacing small but massive silver bowl on a
plinth of green stone
11 Mexico: large replica in silver of the Aztec calendar mounted on a
wooden plaque, plus a year’s supply of beer
12 Osaka Governor’s Prize:??
13 Mainichi Newspapers: the real award is the giant photograph hung below
the roof of the Kokugikan, but a smaller framed copy is presented now.
14 NHK Gold Cup: oval with three lengthwise flutings, based on a small cup
in the Shosoin Treasure House in Nara.
15 Local newspapers? Yomiuri?
16 Zennosho (National Federation of Agricultural Cooperative Associations
Prize): bronze statue of a rikishi in kesho-mawashi carrying a large
gilt rice-bale; plus a real straw bale that actually contains very
little rice, so that the representative can handle it; the yusho winner
actually receives 30 bales of rice, a valuable addition to his heya;
plus some other delicacy such as eggs boiled in a hot spring
17 Oita prefecture Shiitake Growers Cooperative: dried shiitake (a kind of
oriental mushroom) in a large glass container, plus money
18 Fukui prefecture: red lacquer bowl on two rice bales; plus money and a
ton of umeboshi, sour pickled fruit
19 Hokkaido government: bronze trophy of a giant bird, the Blakiston’s
fish owl; plus a truckload of produce
20 Miyazaki prefecture: trophy in the form of a bull, on a stand supported
by full-frontal male nudes (it weighs around 37 kilograms); carcass of
prime beef
21 Ehime prefecture: silver globe trophy, plus 1,500 bottles of ponzu,
citrus-flavored vinegar
22 Shizuoka prefecture: lamp-shaped trophy: Mount Fuji above, gold paling
to silver; plus the winner’s weight in tea, and a gift of seasonal
fruit
23 Matsue City Mayor’s Cup: large lidded cup plus a ton of small shellfish
used in soup
24 Japan Airlines (JAL): jet plane on a silver world with gold continents
Millionaire’s Cup (Ozeki sake): the giant silver sake cup later filled
with sake and used in the photographs of the victor’s celebrations;
four barrels of sake go with it
25 Bulgarian trophy: realistic tall spray of gold roses and leaves.
26 Isuzu Bighorn [sometimes other car]: the actual four-wheel drive
vehicle stands outside the Kokugikan for the whole basho; for the
presentation, a giant plastic key is used
27 (Coca-cola bottle, plaque representing a Bulgari watch; and local ones
in each venue)
Note: although the basic information in this section was found by
personal research, many details were taken from the book “Naruhodo
Ozumo” by Mr. Seigoro Kitade, a former NHK announcer.
From Katrina Watts former NHK sumo commentator and president Australian Sumo Federation
Thanks Orion for the comprehensive list of prizes.
It’s obvious that the monetary prizes would be welcome, but as Orion
pointed out:
Zennosho (National Federation of Agricultural Cooperative Associations
Prize):
bronze statue of a rikishi in kesho-mawashi carrying a large
gilt rice-bale; plus a real straw bale that actually contains very
little rice, so that the representative can handle it; the yusho
winner actually receives 30 bales of rice, a valuable addition to his
heya; plus some other delicacy such as eggs boiled in a hot spring
the prizes of food represent a truly important addition to the
supplies of the winning rikishi’s heya and it goes to the heya.
Naruto Oyakata tells a funny story about his wife ringing up the rice
merchant to order 10 kg of rice the day after the then Yokozuna
Takanosato had won the yusho. The merchant wondered why he would be
buying rice when he’d just won 30 bales of it. Naruto Oyakata also
said that, although he’d won the Czech trophy several times, he’d
never tasted the Czech Pilsner that was awarded with it - his oyakata
apparently enjoyed that. Shiroikuma kindly brought some for him on a
visit, much to the Oyakata’s delight. “At last,” he cried as he
drained his glass, “I know what this beer tastes like!”
Visiting Azumazeki Beya one morning, some friends and I were chatting
with Akebono over a tasty post training (his not ours!!) chanko. The
wife of the oyakata, the okamisan, put her head around the doorway and
admonished the yokozuna saying, “You’d better win this tournament.
You’re eating the last of the beef you won previously.” That prompted
me to ask about what form the prize took:
Miyazaki prefecture: trophy in the form of a bull, on a stand
supported by full-frontal male nudes (it weighs around 37 kilograms);
carcass of prime beef
When we mere mortals buy a side of lamb or quarter of beef and store
it in the home freezer it’s legs, shoulder ribs etc. the whole deal -
tough and tender meat, but Akebono said that the prize was actually
delivered as the weight of a steer in prime cuts of beef and that the
local butcher, from whom the heya usually bought their meat, was kind
enough to store it for them in his freezer.
What’s a year’s supply of Coca Cola, beer or gasoline? How much Coke/
beer can a rikishi drink in a year? Scary! Don’t know precisely
about the first two, several cartons of it are delivered post basho to
the heya based on some kind of calculation of a year’s worth, however
Konishiki told me he got 3000 litres of gas, but that it didn’t last a
year.
How many watches, how many cars can a rikishi wear or drive? Multiple
yusho winners generously share these with their family and friends,
and in the case of the cars, sometimes give them to charity. A
Hawaiian friend joked that it was easy to recognize Akebono’s
relatives - they all drove the same kind of car!
Finally, among my yusho winnings recollections, apart from seeing
“backstage” the contents of Dave Wiggin’s favourite “Jug o’ Mushrooms”
being emptied very unceremoniously into a blue plastic garbage bag for
transport to the heya, is the look of delight on Ozeki Takanonami’s
face after winning the yusho in Kyuushu because one of the
agricultural prizes there was a large quantity of sato imo - directly
translated as “country potato” - a small brown hairy vegetable which
is like a sticky, slightly sweet potato when cooked. These were a
particular favourite of his and he was looking forward to eating them
back in Tokyo.
I always thoroughly enjoyed watching the awards ceremony. Seeing the
startling array of prizes, watching the presenters struggle to lift
trophies and prizes which were then passed lightly by the winning
rikishi - literally strong man - to the helpers below, and hearing the
dignitaries glide or stumble through their reading of the award
certificate. The foreign presenters in particular can be entertaining
in their linguistic struggles but even Japanese presenters sometimes
mess up. In Osaka when Yokozuna Onokuni won the yusho someone loudly
proclaimed he was presenting the prize to Ono Kuniyasu instead of
Onokuni Yasushi. Not a big sumo fan, I guess. I always did feel
sorry for the yusho’s runner up though - amid all those trophies and
prizes was nothing for him, unless he’d managed to score one of the
sansho prizes. Motivation to try harder next time perhaps.
Katrina
i also found this list from SumoForum along with some interesting stories. the format is weird, but it's so long i'll just copy/paste it:
Orion’s List: Trophies and Prizes presented to the Yusho winner
(not entirely up-to-date and there are some local variations)
1) The Emperor’s Cup: Tenno Shihai
It weighs 29 kg. (64 lbs.) and can hold 36 litres of liquid—except
that the lid is soldered on!
2). Yusho Banner (Yusho-ki優勝期)
The Emperor’s Cup and the banner are presented by one of the three
chief judges at the beginning of the presentation ceremony on the final
day of the basho. The two symbols are returned to the Kyokai’s keeping
in a sort of reverse ceremony held after the Makunouchi and Yokozuna
dohyo-iri on the first day of the next basho. Small replicas are given
to the yusho winner to keep.
3). The Prime Minister’s Prize
Actually another trophy—a large silver cup that is bigger and much
heavier than the Emperor’s Cup. It is also more unwieldy, since the
Emperor’s Cup has a slender stem that affords a firm grip and a good
balance.
4). Other prominent trophies are regularly presented, and are here given
in approximate order of presentation (which varies a little). Note that
the trophies remain in the Kokugikan, but most of them also carry a
personal prize which the yusho winner keeps. The prefectural ones
usually feature a large quantity of the local specialty, be it dried
fungus or small shellfish. Many also include a sum of money. The
following is the basic list.
5 Czech Republic: tall fluted bowl cut glass (replacing older one
inscribed EXPO ‘70), plus a year’s supply of Pilsner beer
6 United Arab Emirates: giant coffee pot some 40 cm. tall, made of
handbeaten silver with gold inlay, plus a year’s supply of gasoline
7 Hungary: huge red cloisonne jar, plus an individual tea-set
8 China-Japan Friendship Cup: lidded cup in blue cloisonne with a design
of Mount Fuji, pine and cherry blossom on a blue background
9 [not now, Sarkozy’s hostile] French President’s Cup (Chirac!): huge
dark ceramic piece.
10 Mongolian Prime Minister’s Trophy: large silver bowl held up by three
Mongolian wrestlers, replacing small but massive silver bowl on a
plinth of green stone
11 Mexico: large replica in silver of the Aztec calendar mounted on a
wooden plaque, plus a year’s supply of beer
12 Osaka Governor’s Prize:??
13 Mainichi Newspapers: the real award is the giant photograph hung below
the roof of the Kokugikan, but a smaller framed copy is presented now.
14 NHK Gold Cup: oval with three lengthwise flutings, based on a small cup
in the Shosoin Treasure House in Nara.
15 Local newspapers? Yomiuri?
16 Zennosho (National Federation of Agricultural Cooperative Associations
Prize): bronze statue of a rikishi in kesho-mawashi carrying a large
gilt rice-bale; plus a real straw bale that actually contains very
little rice, so that the representative can handle it; the yusho winner
actually receives 30 bales of rice, a valuable addition to his heya;
plus some other delicacy such as eggs boiled in a hot spring
17 Oita prefecture Shiitake Growers Cooperative: dried shiitake (a kind of
oriental mushroom) in a large glass container, plus money
18 Fukui prefecture: red lacquer bowl on two rice bales; plus money and a
ton of umeboshi, sour pickled fruit
19 Hokkaido government: bronze trophy of a giant bird, the Blakiston’s
fish owl; plus a truckload of produce
20 Miyazaki prefecture: trophy in the form of a bull, on a stand supported
by full-frontal male nudes (it weighs around 37 kilograms); carcass of
prime beef
21 Ehime prefecture: silver globe trophy, plus 1,500 bottles of ponzu,
citrus-flavored vinegar
22 Shizuoka prefecture: lamp-shaped trophy: Mount Fuji above, gold paling
to silver; plus the winner’s weight in tea, and a gift of seasonal
fruit
23 Matsue City Mayor’s Cup: large lidded cup plus a ton of small shellfish
used in soup
24 Japan Airlines (JAL): jet plane on a silver world with gold continents
Millionaire’s Cup (Ozeki sake): the giant silver sake cup later filled
with sake and used in the photographs of the victor’s celebrations;
four barrels of sake go with it
25 Bulgarian trophy: realistic tall spray of gold roses and leaves.
26 Isuzu Bighorn [sometimes other car]: the actual four-wheel drive
vehicle stands outside the Kokugikan for the whole basho; for the
presentation, a giant plastic key is used
27 (Coca-cola bottle, plaque representing a Bulgari watch; and local ones
in each venue)
Note: although the basic information in this section was found by
personal research, many details were taken from the book “Naruhodo
Ozumo” by Mr. Seigoro Kitade, a former NHK announcer.
From Katrina Watts former NHK sumo commentator and president Australian Sumo Federation
Thanks Orion for the comprehensive list of prizes.
It’s obvious that the monetary prizes would be welcome, but as Orion
pointed out:
Zennosho (National Federation of Agricultural Cooperative Associations
Prize):
bronze statue of a rikishi in kesho-mawashi carrying a large
gilt rice-bale; plus a real straw bale that actually contains very
little rice, so that the representative can handle it; the yusho
winner actually receives 30 bales of rice, a valuable addition to his
heya; plus some other delicacy such as eggs boiled in a hot spring
the prizes of food represent a truly important addition to the
supplies of the winning rikishi’s heya and it goes to the heya.
Naruto Oyakata tells a funny story about his wife ringing up the rice
merchant to order 10 kg of rice the day after the then Yokozuna
Takanosato had won the yusho. The merchant wondered why he would be
buying rice when he’d just won 30 bales of it. Naruto Oyakata also
said that, although he’d won the Czech trophy several times, he’d
never tasted the Czech Pilsner that was awarded with it - his oyakata
apparently enjoyed that. Shiroikuma kindly brought some for him on a
visit, much to the Oyakata’s delight. “At last,” he cried as he
drained his glass, “I know what this beer tastes like!”
Visiting Azumazeki Beya one morning, some friends and I were chatting
with Akebono over a tasty post training (his not ours!!) chanko. The
wife of the oyakata, the okamisan, put her head around the doorway and
admonished the yokozuna saying, “You’d better win this tournament.
You’re eating the last of the beef you won previously.” That prompted
me to ask about what form the prize took:
Miyazaki prefecture: trophy in the form of a bull, on a stand
supported by full-frontal male nudes (it weighs around 37 kilograms);
carcass of prime beef
When we mere mortals buy a side of lamb or quarter of beef and store
it in the home freezer it’s legs, shoulder ribs etc. the whole deal -
tough and tender meat, but Akebono said that the prize was actually
delivered as the weight of a steer in prime cuts of beef and that the
local butcher, from whom the heya usually bought their meat, was kind
enough to store it for them in his freezer.
What’s a year’s supply of Coca Cola, beer or gasoline? How much Coke/
beer can a rikishi drink in a year? Scary! Don’t know precisely
about the first two, several cartons of it are delivered post basho to
the heya based on some kind of calculation of a year’s worth, however
Konishiki told me he got 3000 litres of gas, but that it didn’t last a
year.
How many watches, how many cars can a rikishi wear or drive? Multiple
yusho winners generously share these with their family and friends,
and in the case of the cars, sometimes give them to charity. A
Hawaiian friend joked that it was easy to recognize Akebono’s
relatives - they all drove the same kind of car!
Finally, among my yusho winnings recollections, apart from seeing
“backstage” the contents of Dave Wiggin’s favourite “Jug o’ Mushrooms”
being emptied very unceremoniously into a blue plastic garbage bag for
transport to the heya, is the look of delight on Ozeki Takanonami’s
face after winning the yusho in Kyuushu because one of the
agricultural prizes there was a large quantity of sato imo - directly
translated as “country potato” - a small brown hairy vegetable which
is like a sticky, slightly sweet potato when cooked. These were a
particular favourite of his and he was looking forward to eating them
back in Tokyo.
I always thoroughly enjoyed watching the awards ceremony. Seeing the
startling array of prizes, watching the presenters struggle to lift
trophies and prizes which were then passed lightly by the winning
rikishi - literally strong man - to the helpers below, and hearing the
dignitaries glide or stumble through their reading of the award
certificate. The foreign presenters in particular can be entertaining
in their linguistic struggles but even Japanese presenters sometimes
mess up. In Osaka when Yokozuna Onokuni won the yusho someone loudly
proclaimed he was presenting the prize to Ono Kuniyasu instead of
Onokuni Yasushi. Not a big sumo fan, I guess. I always did feel
sorry for the yusho’s runner up though - amid all those trophies and
prizes was nothing for him, unless he’d managed to score one of the
sansho prizes. Motivation to try harder next time perhaps.
Katrina
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Henka haters punching air right now
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I admit, I don’t want to see Keisho at Yokozuna. Just not a fan.
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I'm a fan, he's clearly the best and strongest rikishi outside of a healthy Terunofuji.
However, I don't beleive he's shown Yokozuna Sumo and certainly not consistently.
This year he's won 2 Yusho, an 8 - 7, pulled out of one and sat out one entirely. I do not believe even a Zensho Yusho in November should be enough.
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In showa era, yusho ceremony couldn't be held without David Jones from Pan American airways who presented "Pan Am Award" with a big trophy.
David, Pan Am's PR director, definitely was one of the most loved American gentlemen in Japan. I'd say 90% of the citizens could recognize him and his voice. (I think it's either him or Carl Sagan that I first became aware of an American person.)
Pan American Airways stopped far east operation in mid 80s when United took it over. David Jones met Emperor Showa at his majesty's annual party to say farewell. Hirohito asked him if he could keep coming to japan just to celebrate with everyone at the sumo ceremony. Jones reported it back to HQ and Pan Am decided to send him to present Pan Am ozumo award on Day 15, the same way it has been since 1961. Jones delivered the big trophy until 1991 when Pan Am eventually went out of business.
(David Jones with the Wolf)
David, Pan Am's PR director, definitely was one of the most loved American gentlemen in Japan. I'd say 90% of the citizens could recognize him and his voice. (I think it's either him or Carl Sagan that I first became aware of an American person.)
Pan American Airways stopped far east operation in mid 80s when United took it over. David Jones met Emperor Showa at his majesty's annual party to say farewell. Hirohito asked him if he could keep coming to japan just to celebrate with everyone at the sumo ceremony. Jones reported it back to HQ and Pan Am decided to send him to present Pan Am ozumo award on Day 15, the same way it has been since 1961. Jones delivered the big trophy until 1991 when Pan Am eventually went out of business.
(David Jones with the Wolf)
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I think it's quite possible that a jun yusho in November will place takakeisho in the highest rank. But it all depends on how many wins and how he performs against other sanyakus. Of course, if he gets yusho, he'll make it unconditionally even with 11-4 again.
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