Social Tensions rise on Italy's Lampedusa island amid migrant influx, posing headache for Meloni’s governme

[Hdfi]

There is no democratic option available if you wish to address the problems resulting from mass immigration. I don't advocate for violence but we are in dire need of a populist, non-politically aligned movement which has enough leverage to pressure politicians on all sides to do the right thing for the country. There has to be an end to politicians pleasing their bosses, far removed from dealing with the crude reality on the streets, while enabling chaos and lawlessness to disrupt the daily life of citizens.

Nope. We authoritarian right-winger populists who advocate for violence will not save your ass. Let the West die, the important thing is to contain its liberal nonsense and stop it from spreading across the planet.

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Nope. We authoritarian right-winger populists who advocate for violence will not save your ass. Let the West die, the important thing is to contain its liberal nonsense and stop it from spreading across the planet.

Remember how liberals in New York City were for Open Borders and declared NYC a sanctuary city? and thought this migration crisis wouldn't affect them? this crisis will be spreading in Liberal areas just as well.

It would be interesting to see whatever they are the far leftist, Liberals in NYC or in Italy how they would be reacting to this..

 

[TheGreatA]

Nope. We authoritarian right-winger populists who advocate for violence will not save your ass. Let the West die, the important thing is to contain its liberal nonsense and stop it from spreading across the planet.

Oh yes, the real patriots will let their countries die because of "liberal nonsense".

Can't imagine what sort of an "authoritarian" would just stand there and take it while their country is being burned to the ground. Sounds more like an apathetic nihilist to me.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Italy approves new migrant detention as talk turns to naval blockade to prevent launching of boats
The Italian Cabinet has approved new measures to crack down on migration

ByNICOLE WINFIELD Associated Press, LORNE COOK Associated Press, and ANGELA CHARLTON Associated Press
September 18, 2023, 11:04 AM

ROME -- The Italian government approved new measures to crack down on migration Monday, after the southern island of Lampedusa was again overwhelmed by a wave of arrivals setting off from Tunisia and the migration issue returned to center stage in Europe with talk of a naval blockade.

The measures approved by the Cabinet focused on migrants who don’t qualify for asylum and are slated to be repatriated to their home countries. The government extended the amount of time such people can be detained to the EU maximum of 18 months. It also plans to increase the number of detention centers to hold them, since capacity has always been insufficient and many of those scheduled to be returned home manage to head farther north.

Premier Giorgia Meloni announced the “extraordinary measures” after Lampedusa, which is closer to Tunisia in North Africa than the Italian mainland, was overwhelmed last week by nearly 7,000 migrants in a day, more than the island’s resident population. Italy has been offloading them slowly by ferry to Sicily and other ports, but the arrivals once again stoked tensions on the island and in political corridors, especially ahead of European Parliament elections next year.

Rescued migrants sit in a boat of the Italian Finance Police before disembarking at the port of the Sicilian island of Lampedusa, southern Italy, Monday, Sept. 18, 2023. The Italian Cabinet met Monday to adop...
The Associated Press

Amid the domestic and EU political jockeying, Meloni resurrected campaign calls for a naval blockade of North Africa to prevent human traffickers from launching their smuggling boats into the Mediterranean. Meloni was on hand in Tunis in June when the European Commission president signed an accord with the Tunisian government pledging economic aid in exchange for help preventing departures.

A similar accord was signed years ago with Libya but human rights groups have blasted it as a violation of international maritime law, insisting that Libya isn't a safe port and that migrants intercepted by the Libyan coast guard are returned to detention centers where abuses are rife.

Meloni visited Lampedusa on Sunday with Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, who took a hard line cheered by Meloni's supporters.

“We will decide who comes to the European Union, and under what circumstances. Not the smugglers," Von der Leyen said as she laid out a 10-point plan that included a pledge of support to prevent departures of smuggling boats by establishing “operational partnerships on anti-smuggling” with countries of origins and transit.

The plan envisages a possible “working arrangement between Tunisia and Frontex,” the EU border force with air and sea assets that currently assists search and rescue operations in the Mediterranean, and a coordinating task force within Europol.

The Commission hasn't ruled out the possibility that a naval blockade is under consideration. “We have expressed the support to explore these possibilities" raised by Italy, Commission spokeswoman Anitta Hipper said Monday.

Under the deal von der Leyen signed with Tunisia, the EU pledged to provide funds for equipment, training and technical support “to further improve the management of Tunisia’s borders.” For example, the funds are helping to pay for the refurbishment of 17 vessels belonging to Tunisian authorities.

The latest influx is challenging unity within the EU, its member states and also in Meloni’s far-right-led government, especially with European elections looming. Some member countries have objected to the way von der Leyen pushed the Tunisia plan through and complain that they were not properly consulted.

But even in Italy it's controversial. Vice Premier Matteo Salvini, head of the populist, right-wing League, has challenged the efficacy of Meloni's EU-Tunisia deal and hosted French right-wing leader Marine Le Pen at an annual League rally in northern Italy on Sunday. Just a few days earlier, Le Pen's niece and far-right politician Marion Marechal was on Lampedusa blasting the French government's response to the migration issue.

The French government of Emmanuel Macron has shifted right on migration and security issues, and on Monday, his interior minister, Gerald Darmanin, was heading to Rome for meetings. Darmanin said before he left that France would help Italy maintain its border to prevent people from arriving but was not prepared to take in migrants who have arrived in Lampedusa in recent days.

’’Things are getting very difficult in Lampedusa. That’s why we should help our Italian friends. But there should not be a message given to people coming on our soil that they are welcomed in our countries no matter what," he said on France’s Europe-1 radio.

‘’Our will is to fully welcome those who should be welcomed, but we should absolutely send back those who have no reason to be in Europe," he said, citing people arriving from Ivory Coast or Guinea or Gambia, saying there is no obvious political reason to give them asylum.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-migrant-crackdown-talk-turns-naval-103277764

 

[GoldenWolf87]

Italy approves new migrant detention as talk turns to naval blockade to prevent launching of boats
The Italian Cabinet has approved new measures to crack down on migration

ByNICOLE WINFIELD Associated Press, LORNE COOK Associated Press, and ANGELA CHARLTON Associated Press
September 18, 2023, 11:04 AM

ROME -- The Italian government approved new measures to crack down on migration Monday, after the southern island of Lampedusa was again overwhelmed by a wave of arrivals setting off from Tunisia and the migration issue returned to center stage in Europe with talk of a naval blockade.

The measures approved by the Cabinet focused on migrants who don’t qualify for asylum and are slated to be repatriated to their home countries. The government extended the amount of time such people can be detained to the EU maximum of 18 months. It also plans to increase the number of detention centers to hold them, since capacity has always been insufficient and many of those scheduled to be returned home manage to head farther north.

Premier Giorgia Meloni announced the “extraordinary measures” after Lampedusa, which is closer to Tunisia in North Africa than the Italian mainland, was overwhelmed last week by nearly 7,000 migrants in a day, more than the island’s resident population. Italy has been offloading them slowly by ferry to Sicily and other ports, but the arrivals once again stoked tensions on the island and in political corridors, especially ahead of European Parliament elections next year.

Rescued migrants sit in a boat of the Italian Finance Police before disembarking at the port of the Sicilian island of Lampedusa, southern Italy, Monday, Sept. 18, 2023. The Italian Cabinet met Monday to adop...
The Associated Press

Amid the domestic and EU political jockeying, Meloni resurrected campaign calls for a naval blockade of North Africa to prevent human traffickers from launching their smuggling boats into the Mediterranean. Meloni was on hand in Tunis in June when the European Commission president signed an accord with the Tunisian government pledging economic aid in exchange for help preventing departures.

A similar accord was signed years ago with Libya but human rights groups have blasted it as a violation of international maritime law, insisting that Libya isn't a safe port and that migrants intercepted by the Libyan coast guard are returned to detention centers where abuses are rife.

Meloni visited Lampedusa on Sunday with Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, who took a hard line cheered by Meloni's supporters.

“We will decide who comes to the European Union, and under what circumstances. Not the smugglers," Von der Leyen said as she laid out a 10-point plan that included a pledge of support to prevent departures of smuggling boats by establishing “operational partnerships on anti-smuggling” with countries of origins and transit.

The plan envisages a possible “working arrangement between Tunisia and Frontex,” the EU border force with air and sea assets that currently assists search and rescue operations in the Mediterranean, and a coordinating task force within Europol.

The Commission hasn't ruled out the possibility that a naval blockade is under consideration. “We have expressed the support to explore these possibilities" raised by Italy, Commission spokeswoman Anitta Hipper said Monday.

Under the deal von der Leyen signed with Tunisia, the EU pledged to provide funds for equipment, training and technical support “to further improve the management of Tunisia’s borders.” For example, the funds are helping to pay for the refurbishment of 17 vessels belonging to Tunisian authorities.

The latest influx is challenging unity within the EU, its member states and also in Meloni’s far-right-led government, especially with European elections looming. Some member countries have objected to the way von der Leyen pushed the Tunisia plan through and complain that they were not properly consulted.

But even in Italy it's controversial. Vice Premier Matteo Salvini, head of the populist, right-wing League, has challenged the efficacy of Meloni's EU-Tunisia deal and hosted French right-wing leader Marine Le Pen at an annual League rally in northern Italy on Sunday. Just a few days earlier, Le Pen's niece and far-right politician Marion Marechal was on Lampedusa blasting the French government's response to the migration issue.

The French government of Emmanuel Macron has shifted right on migration and security issues, and on Monday, his interior minister, Gerald Darmanin, was heading to Rome for meetings. Darmanin said before he left that France would help Italy maintain its border to prevent people from arriving but was not prepared to take in migrants who have arrived in Lampedusa in recent days.

’’Things are getting very difficult in Lampedusa. That’s why we should help our Italian friends. But there should not be a message given to people coming on our soil that they are welcomed in our countries no matter what," he said on France’s Europe-1 radio.

‘’Our will is to fully welcome those who should be welcomed, but we should absolutely send back those who have no reason to be in Europe," he said, citing people arriving from Ivory Coast or Guinea or Gambia, saying there is no obvious political reason to give them asylum.

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-migrant-crackdown-talk-turns-naval-103277764

There are no wars in Ivory Coast or Guinea, Gambia.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

wow, more and more just keep coming, up to 15-18k

 

[The_Renaissance]

wow, more and more just keep coming, up to 15-18k

It is absolutely an invasion and must be terrifying for the population. They are lambs to the slaughter.

 

[Jacket time]

more fighting age men on the way.
where's the women and children.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Like I said,

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Churches in Lampedusa cant host these migrants forever without being assisted by the Italian govt. The Churches in Lampedusa will end up with issues like the Churches in Toronto had.

Funding issues..


"Churches opened their doors and residents even rescued people from the sea"
I have a hard time to believe that local residents rescued them. They weren't rescued they were being brought in.

In the past year there had being protests by some locals agaisnt this arrivals.
Nothing was being done.

Of course you don't want your land swarmed by immigrants. But if you see a boat sink in the sea and kids are drowning, of course you are going to rescue them.

Like the Southern border in the Us that is currently being invaded. If you are American and can think beyond Biden good, orange man bad, you know an open border will destroy America. But that doesn't mean if you see someone struggling in the desert along the border, you won't give them food and water.

 

[Fijeeto]

Went to Italy in 09. Fucking loved it, but even back then, the immigrants were everywhere, especially in Florence and Rome. In Florence, my wife and I cut down an alley off of the main square by the duomo and two Muslim looking men followed us and were were fast walking, really trying to catch up to us. When I realized that we were about to be robbed and there was no one around, I told my wife to start running and she thought I was insane until they also broke into a run. We made it out into public again and they were just staring us down. The next day, we were at a market and a Muslim shopkeeper was trying to rip us off on what was obviously a fake leather jacket. When we called him on it, and backed out of the sale, they got very angry and aggressive and suddenly, we were getting surrounded. When you have a beautiful country that starts getting overrun with immigrants from the third world, it doesn’t take long for the dynamics to quickly change and these places become unsafe.

Last month, my wife springs it on me for our 20th wedding anniversary, instead of going to the beach and our second vacation, usually ti Tennessee, she wants to go back ti Italy, and as much as I want to go, I am afraid that it might not be a safe trip with the kids.

I recently had a similar conversation with my wife about vacationing in Paris. We'll probably go to Japan instead.

Shame to see what Europe is becoming.

 

[The_Renaissance]

I recently had a similar conversation with my wife about vacationing in Paris. We'll probably go to Japan instead.

Shame to see what Europe is becoming.

Wise choice.

Why are they all fleeing Tunisia, by the way? I admit to being a bit uneducated here, I thought they were coming from Libya due to the flooding......these lads don't look particularly Tunisian (above)?

 

[A Very Serious Cat]

I thought Italy's new government was 'far right fascists' or whatever the media slandered her as. So much for that I guess

 

[Mr Holmes]

 

[fedoriswar37]

I sometimes wish it would happen quicker, if anything, to spare us the embarrassment. Just get it over and done with.

Instead we have to witness and document the decline over the coming decades.

It would be somehow less embarrassing if we were conquered by a more advanced civilization. At least we could hold our hands up and say “Hey, we were well beaten” … as it’s happening now, it’s pathetic.

Always wonder how other great empires/civilizations could simply collapse but as time passes it becomes more and more evident

 

[fedoriswar37]

It is absolutely an invasion and must be terrifying for the population. They are lambs to the slaughter.

As a Canadian Italian. I can't imagine this happening to some of my elder relatives.

 

[Rob Battisti]

 

[Cole train]

Always wonder how other great empires/civilizations could simply collapse but as time passes it becomes more and more evident

"We came from Caladan—a paradise world for our form of life. There existed no need on Caladan to build a physical paradise or a paradise of the mind—we could see the actuality all around us. And the price we paid was the price men have always paid for achieving a paradise in this life—we went soft, we lost our edge"

-frank herbert dune

Or like internet always says hard times hard people, soft times soft people

(Dunes author had philosophy that humans need constant struggle to keep themselfs strong, any stagnation or being happy in current position led to death)

 

[Mr Holmes]

16" guns and battle ships are antiquated relics of WWII era warfare.

 

[Rob Battisti]

16" guns and battle ships are antiquated relics of WWII era warfare.

Wasn’t sure what Italy was rolling with but I’ll accept the old or the modern at this point