The attitudes of casuals are trickling into the hardcore fandom

[blackheart]

Your first sentence. This sets the narrative for the entire piece.

"Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment."

If you care about fighter pay... You pay the fighters... YOU... Meaning purchasing PPV. Not fucking pirating.

I bought nearly every single pay per view from ufc 75 to 180 and have purchased pay per views here and there since then.

"I made up this generalization about hardcore fans, that has no backing in any data. I also completely made up the premise that in order to care about fighter pay, you must purchase pay per views. Checkmate"

Yeah man you really got me with that premise you made up, that isn't sound reasoning.

IF you care about fighter pay
THEN you must purchase pay per views

The premise does not necessitate this conclusion. It does not logically follow. It's just a faulty premise you made up. And it has no bearing on anything I said in the op.

 

[StonedLemur]

We are capitalists not communists or socialists. These are people often times with no skills but fighting. UFC should pay as little as possible until people start choosing other jobs over MMA. Let the market balance itself off.

Besides, people should care more about UFC’s profits than fighter pay. UFC will be the one to grow and improve the sport, find more fight locations, put on more fights, and secure better broadcasting.

UFC’s profits directly affect the fans that own stock in TKO and people who want to watch a quality profit on TV.

Dana White as a founder of a UFC deserve billlions if anything. Some random guy who lacks job market relevancy and can only fight deserves 30-50 k a year if they aren’t exceptional champion fighters.

Did I once say they all deserved the same pay son?

 

[Masturbin]

I would consider myself as an hard-core fan and I never cared about fighter pay and unions that much.

 

[weaselkenievil]

I’m firmly with TS on this one. I’ve moaned about this many times. You care enough to register and post but not about the people who actually do the sport? And higher pay equals better quality athletes. Dana and the money fans absolutely baffle me

 

[shunyata]

It's not mma specific.

Tons of people just love simping for billionaires that exploit the working class.

We give SNAP benefits to people who are working 30 hours a week but getting paid so far below living wages that they need the food stamps to get by.

Every time closing the gap between minimum wage and a living wage comes up you get a bunch of banshees screaming that it will ruin the economy.

But if you look at things from a historical perspective

#1 places in the US that moved to a $15 minimum wage still have booming economies

#2 the same group of banshees was screaming that FDR's New Deal would ruin the economy

#3 the same group of banshees was screaming that ending slavery would ruin the economy

 

[Poirierfan]

Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment.

And it's pretty self evident as to why -
If you're a hardcore fan of this sport, you tend to enjoy some of the finer things and intricacies about it. Something about it has pulled you in, above and beyond the level of a casual.

Maybe it's the sacrifices that fighters make, maybe it's the courage displayed in the heat of battle (heart), maybe its a combination of that stuff and other things, but something has pulled you in. And when you have a high degree of appreciation and respect for what fighters go through, it's both emotionally and intellectually logical to want to see said fighters compensated and treated appropriately.

It is plainly, and self evidently, casual fans of the sport that don't give a shit about fighter pay. They want to see blood and violence. They want to see roided up gorillas swinging wildly until one goes down. Their engagement with the sport starts and stops with the entertainment provided by violence that is momentarily flashing on their screens. Of course when that is the extent of your engagement with the sport, it's completely reasonable to not give a fuck about fighter pay.

So can someone explain to me why the fuck there is a large minority of people within the hardcore Fandom that shit on people concerned about fighter pay? Often, these people don't even attempt to make an argument about whether or not fighter pay is good - they shit on the very idea of giving a fuck about fighter pay and treatment.

Here you are, posting on an obscure karate message board that has been around since the 90s, that is dedicated to the 24/7 365 discussion of mma and martial arts, talking about "why do you give a shit about what another man is paid?" Or "he's not gonna send you a check bro"

Like....BRUH


Do you hear yourself??

Have a look around you.

Look at where you are.

Have a moment of self awareness for the first time in your life.

Motherfuckers are really out here posting 5 McGregor threads a day on a 25 year old karate message board asking "why do you care about fighter pay?"

IDK MAN - maybe because my appreciation of the fighters goes beyond "hurrr durrr sweaty muscle man goes brrrr" *clapping monkey noises*

Do you not realize what a fuckin weirdo you are for being a hardcore fan of this sport and NOT caring about fighter pay? You are a freakish anomaly and should be regarded as such.

I don't know why they do it, but those people that take Dana's side and shit on fighters for asking to be fairly compensated are fucktards. Fuck Dana White and whoever sides with that prick. Wife assaulting lying greedy fucking crook. Could you imagine being paid pennies as a fighter and you hear Dana gave 250k to the Nelk Boys?

 

[HHJ]

people that take Dana's side

It depends on the situation.

Sometimes the fighter is being unreasonable in the action.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Homie couldn't even be bothered to read the title.

Not sure how this iPad kid even managed to create an account on a message board. I would think that between his tik tok videos and episodes of bubble guppies, he wouldn't be able to focus long enough to do so.

That's not even witty, bro. But seriously think about it, nobody gives a shit what you earn and nobody will fight for you. Why are you wasting so much energy trying to boost the earnings of people who don't know you exist?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It’s not that I don’t care, but I’m also not spending much time thinking about it or losing any sleep over it.

Those fighters all had a choice to do something else, I got my own family to feed, and my own pay to worry about. MMA is one of those things that I enjoy watching on a Saturday night, but I got too much shit going on in my own life to seriously be thinking about some other man’s sallary.

Would be nice to see them make more money, but at the same time, this activist mentality of some broke geek in his mom’s basement out for Justice, trying to fix the rest of the world. It’s kind of hilarious to me as well.

That's the part that I find bizarre. I wonder how many times in the last 3 months people like TS started hyperventilating online for hours about the truly unfortunate employees of the companies he gives his money too. Like fast food workers, warehouse people or cleaning personnel at mails all getting minimum wage salary at 40 y-o with children to feed.

 

[Natural Order]

Thread is beyond embarrassing…

 

[HHJ]

Usman vs Covington fight fell through at first because UFC tried to lowball both of them.

:: thread created ::

OmG aLl U gUyZ CaRe AbOuT iS MoNeY111!!

 

[NoSmilez]

I don't really care about fighter pay unless it's at the lowest level. Prelim guys need at least 50k. I don't care if Francis makes 7 million or 15 million.

 

[treelo]

while the skill level has gone up, the quality of UFC fights in the past 5 years has been abysmal in general, there are few exciting fighters anymore and those are exciting and pull a crowd, get PAID well

stop crying for the also rans who arent good enough, we didnt choose their profession

 

[2004 account]

Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment.

And it's pretty self evident as to why -
If you're a hardcore fan of this sport, you tend to enjoy some of the finer things and intricacies about it. Something about it has pulled you in, above and beyond the level of a casual.

Maybe it's the sacrifices that fighters make, maybe it's the courage displayed in the heat of battle (heart), maybe its a combination of that stuff and other things, but something has pulled you in. And when you have a high degree of appreciation and respect for what fighters go through, it's both emotionally and intellectually logical to want to see said fighters compensated and treated appropriately.

It is plainly, and self evidently, casual fans of the sport that don't give a shit about fighter pay. They want to see blood and violence. They want to see roided up gorillas swinging wildly until one goes down. Their engagement with the sport starts and stops with the entertainment provided by violence that is momentarily flashing on their screens. Of course when that is the extent of your engagement with the sport, it's completely reasonable to not give a fuck about fighter pay.

So can someone explain to me why the fuck there is a large minority of people within the hardcore Fandom that shit on people concerned about fighter pay? Often, these people don't even attempt to make an argument about whether or not fighter pay is good - they shit on the very idea of giving a fuck about fighter pay and treatment.

Here you are, posting on an obscure karate message board that has been around since the 90s, that is dedicated to the 24/7 365 discussion of mma and martial arts, talking about "why do you give a shit about what another man is paid?" Or "he's not gonna send you a check bro"

Like....BRUH


Do you hear yourself??

Have a look around you.

Look at where you are.

Have a moment of self awareness for the first time in your life.

Motherfuckers are really out here posting 5 McGregor threads a day on a 25 year old karate message board asking "why do you care about fighter pay?"

IDK MAN - maybe because my appreciation of the fighters goes beyond "hurrr durrr sweaty muscle man goes brrrr" *clapping monkey noises*

Do you not realize what a fuckin weirdo you are for being a hardcore fan of this sport and NOT caring about fighter pay? You are a freakish anomaly and should be regarded as such.

I dont know if it comes down to casual vs hardcore but those that are against fighter pay discussion truly are dumb and lack compassion for the fighters imo...they usually are narcisists that support the narcisist Dana himself as well as the questionably corrupt ufc practices in general. Those cold mofos are mma poser fans imo

 

[blaseblase]

I've seen posters conflating the UFC's business interests with their own interests. They will literally talk as if they have stock in the company and excuse away all these undeserved title shots. As an MMA fan you should want to see the best fighting the best, not putting in the 7th ranked guy so the champ can have an easier fight.

 

[flektarn]

No one should be making less than $50/$50. This includes the guys in ONE and PFLellator (deal with it :^]).
Other than that, I don't care too much. It seems like a tough industry to stay afloat in considering all of the absolute FAILURES of companies that have come and gone. Tired of the disingenuous retards who argue like ONE or Bellator pay any better when many official purses are posted - and it's garbage. Only ex-UFC fighters get a decent check. Disgraceful. Some guys get a hate boner for Dana, I get it, but Chatri is a POS himself and Coker is incompetent (but he's nice at least, but that doesn't pay the bills).

 

[MuffinsAppletree]

I don’t understand why anyone cares about another man’s pockets

 

[mister piscadinha]

i think every champion should get a million per fight + ppv points + sponsorship
the ufc should cut all the regional bums cause i'm tired of seeing npcs having staring contests for 8k+8k
end this "show money and win bonus" shit, just pay the guys
and they should also stop this "independent contractor" charade and just employ all the fighters
that's all, i dont really think about this alot

 

[World eater]

Because they sacrifice their bodies and minds for your entertainment. Is that really that perplexing to you?

No they don’t. They do it for money, fame or to see who is the best. Mostly for money.
I find it perplexing that you think they fight just to entertain us.

 

[Megatronlee]

Hardcore fans of this sport have historically always cared about fighter pay and treatment.

And it's pretty self evident as to why -
If you're a hardcore fan of this sport, you tend to enjoy some of the finer things and intricacies about it. Something about it has pulled you in, above and beyond the level of a casual.

Maybe it's the sacrifices that fighters make, maybe it's the courage displayed in the heat of battle (heart), maybe its a combination of that stuff and other things, but something has pulled you in. And when you have a high degree of appreciation and respect for what fighters go through, it's both emotionally and intellectually logical to want to see said fighters compensated and treated appropriately.

It is plainly, and self evidently, casual fans of the sport that don't give a shit about fighter pay. They want to see blood and violence. They want to see roided up gorillas swinging wildly until one goes down. Their engagement with the sport starts and stops with the entertainment provided by violence that is momentarily flashing on their screens. Of course when that is the extent of your engagement with the sport, it's completely reasonable to not give a fuck about fighter pay.

So can someone explain to me why the fuck there is a large minority of people within the hardcore Fandom that shit on people concerned about fighter pay? Often, these people don't even attempt to make an argument about whether or not fighter pay is good - they shit on the very idea of giving a fuck about fighter pay and treatment.

Here you are, posting on an obscure karate message board that has been around since the 90s, that is dedicated to the 24/7 365 discussion of mma and martial arts, talking about "why do you give a shit about what another man is paid?" Or "he's not gonna send you a check bro"

Like....BRUH


Do you hear yourself??

Have a look around you.

Look at where you are.

Have a moment of self awareness for the first time in your life.

Motherfuckers are really out here posting 5 McGregor threads a day on a 25 year old karate message board asking "why do you care about fighter pay?"

IDK MAN - maybe because my appreciation of the fighters goes beyond "hurrr durrr sweaty muscle man goes brrrr" *clapping monkey noises*

Do you not realize what a fuckin weirdo you are for being a hardcore fan of this sport and NOT caring about fighter pay? You are a freakish anomaly and should be regarded as such.

Do you fight?
Have you seen a contract?
Shut up about fighter pay