The Death of Heavyweight MMA

[PEDS Help me Post]

well i'm not actually seeing any sort of actual counter argument from yall n just insults... because there is no counter argument. You're just butt hurt pride fangays. The top pride heavyweights were all small heavyweights fighting other small heavyweights.(or cans if not small) It's just an undisputed historical fact and it takes a noob, fuckwit, or true idiot to just turn a blind eye to historical facts. Any person in pride above 240 was either a complete can or a roider like josh barnet.

Lets just go through them for a sec.
-Fedor was around 230... people have said he should cut to 205 for years.
-Kevin randleman was a middleweight all along.
-Mark Coleman was a light heavyweight all along.
-Cro Cop was 220ish and people here have been saying he should cut to 205 for years.
-Josh barnet became the incredible shrinking man down to as low as 230 once he tried quitting the roids.
-Big Nog was not very big. He just did heavier roid stacks than his brother.. or else we woulda had two lil nogs. We kinda did. It should have been Little nog and littler nog.

SIZE MATTERS (unless you're a scrub)

Nobody is counter-arguing because there's no point arguing with an idiot.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

I've said it for years. Heavyweight MMA is going to be a major problem for the UFC's future and they need to do something about it now

If you are big and athletic, chances are you are going to be drafted into real sports with real money. Where does that leave the future of UFC HWs outside of fat guys that are too lazy to make LHW? They have to start recruiting from untapped markets and sadly, poor countries.

Take guys that may not even be into MMA but are willing to learn. Give them a small salary, train them and if they show potential, you keep them and build them to the main roster. There are 1000s of Ngannou's out there that just need a chance and some direction.

 

[VVarhead]

Tybura and Junior Albini seem to be decent prospects.

Apart from that... well... HW is a mess.

 

[Buckeye4Life]

They should have never let mitrione leave. Hell I bet scrub would be helpful right now in gatekeeper status. Except they don’t need a gatekeeper cuz no one is knocking on the gate to the top 10 or ao

 

[executionermma]

Ivan Shtykov - 29 y/o- 11-0- beat Bigfoot, Ishii, De Fries, Monson on small circuit. Should be offered a contract.

I really have to say anything? I'll start for you U___A

 

[snugglecakes]

Nobody is counter-arguing because there's no point arguing with an idiot.

or maybe because they actually created the 225lbs weight class for a reason because they saw what happens when pride can crushers (that idiots like you were calling the pound for pound goats) try their hand against true heavyweights.

-Nog did pretty shitty in the UFC with more loses than wins. Retards like you call it getting old while it was actually called being overrated.
-Cro Cop was garbage in the UFC with more loses than wins. They sent him to Dream for a tune up and then he did shitty once he returned to the UFC. He eventually closed out his career with a can crush streak in rizin while he was on a fat roid stack.
-Fedor got cut from strikeforce for performing like shit. Idiots like you said bigfoot has no chance and then he proceeds to beat fedor using absolutely nothing but his size and no skill.. further confirming my point that 220-230 is the "get your ass kicked by an actual heavyweight" weight range... even a mediocre 1 like bigfoot.
-Mark Coleman made his name off of beating cans and eventually did shitty against light heavyweights.
-You'll get a contact high of roid rage even mentioning Josh barnet.
-Kevin Randleman, 1 of your precious so called "top pride heavyweights" became the incredible shrinking man down to middleweight (and did shitty at MW) after fighting in the US subjected him to drug tests and he popped for fake piss offa pride's first ever show in the USA. The roids eventually got to him the way it gets to old school dubya dubya wrasslers, RIP. Speaking of which, kevin did wrasslin too.

Werdum and Mark Hunt might be the only pride heavyweights that did well against legit drug tested competition and to my point, both of them are heavier than the 220-230 "get yur ass kicked by a true heavyweight" range. Don't even bother bringing up hunt's loses to people like moose and manhoef. He was coming off the couch for his fights back then and had no ground game of takedown defense.

 

[Tylerl90]

With the absolutely destroyed HW division in its worse shape ever, are we seeing the end of high-level HW mixed martial arts?

We are currently left with only THREE proven elite HWs whom are still active :

Stipe, Overeem, and Werdum.


We've lost Cain Velasquez, Mark Hunt and Derrick Lewis to injuries. It's possible we may never see any of them compete again, and if they do it will likely be at a compromised level.

USADA has robbed us of Junior Dos Santos, Ben Rothwell and the Brock Lesnar.

Brett Rogers is in jail for grabbing men's cocks in elevators.

Ngannou is promising but he's almost completely untested. The UFC division is so bad that he is ranked #4 despite his best win coming over Andrei Arlovski, whom was going into the fight riding a 3 fight losing streak. Atrocious.

Tybura is decent but doesn't seem like he'll be the "future of the division" - neither is 40 year old Oleinik. Struve might drop dead at any moment.


Outside the UFC, the most compelling attractions are Vitaly Minakov and Blagoi Minakov. However, it seems like the UFC doesn't seem to keen on spending the money on them.



Who is going to save the HW division?

Even as old and past his prime as he is, Fedor would bring a huge viewership back to the HW's. Never understood why the UFC didn't pay out to get him over to the Octagon.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

or maybe because they actually created the 225lbs weight class for a reason because they saw what happens when pride can crushers (that idiots like you were calling the pound for pound goats) try their hand against true heavyweights.

-Nog did pretty shitty in the UFC with more loses than wins. Retards like you call it getting old while it was actually called being overrated.
-Cro Cop was garbage in the UFC with more loses than wins. They sent him to Dream for a tune up and then he did shitty once he returned to the UFC. He eventually closed out his career with a can crush streak in rizin while he was on a fat roid stack.
-Fedor got cut from strikeforce for performing like shit. Idiots like you said bigfoot has no chance and then he proceeds to beat fedor using absolutely nothing but his size and no skill.. further confirming my point that 220-230 is the "get your ass kicked by an actual heavyweight" weight range... even a mediocre 1 like bigfoot.
-Mark Coleman made his name off of beating cans and eventually did shitty against light heavyweights.
-You'll get a contact high of roid rage even mentioning Josh barnet.
-Kevin Randleman, 1 of your precious so called "top pride heavyweights" became the incredible shrinking man down to middleweight (and did shitty at MW) after fighting in the US subjected him to drug tests and he popped for fake piss offa pride's first ever show in the USA. The roids eventually got to him the way it gets to old school dubya dubya wrasslers, RIP. Speaking of which, kevin did wrasslin too.

Werdum and Mark Hunt might be the only pride heavyweights that did well against legit drug tested competition and to my point, both of them are heavier than the 220-230 "get yur ass kicked by a true heavyweight" range. Don't even bother bringing up hunt's loses to people like moose and manhoef. He was coming off the couch for his fights back then and had no ground game of takedown defense.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

Even as old and past his prime as he is, Fedor would bring a huge viewership back to the HW's. Never understood why the UFC didn't pay out to get him over to the Octagon.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Would be pointless now that Fedor is so tarnished.

They should have got him just so they could have their stars make a name off of him at this point. There's nobody for younger fighters to even make a name off of anymore in the UFC.

 

[SMEGMA]

MMA heavyweights are bottom of the barrel level athletes.

100% this, been that way since Pride.

 

[Tylerl90]

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Would be pointless now that Fedor is so tarnished.

They should have got him just so they could have their stars make a name off of him at this point. There's nobody for younger fighters to even make a name off of anymore in the UFC.

Point being, the UFC could still make a load of money off of him because fans will tune in to see Fedor regardless of the opponent.

Similar to Jon Jones in that Jon could get the full 4 year suspension, decide to return to the UFC, and fans would still buy his PPV because of who he is. Those who say they wouldn't are either lying, not fans, or they're gonna illegally stream it lol

 

[SMEGMA]

You're simply a fuckwit. Stick to your UFC you dumb fuck!

Spoken like a true noob, who relies on fightfinder to write material.

Go back to the WWE forums.

Haha, you are a true idiot.

Your post reeks of utter stupidity.

It's very telling that not a single one of you could refute one thing he said, and all of you just resorted to name calling.

I guess the irrefutable facts hurt your feelings.

 

[GloryOfIran]

This sounds word for word like a 2005 HW boxibg is dead because the klitschkos thread lol

 

[A.S. Deep]

I've said it for years. Heavyweight MMA is going to be a major problem for the UFC's future and they need to do something about it now

If you are big and athletic, chances are you are going to be drafted into real sports with real money. Where does that leave the future of UFC HWs outside of fat guys that are too lazy to make LHW? They have to start recruiting from untapped markets and sadly, poor countries.

Take guys that may not even be into MMA but are willing to learn. Give them a small salary, train them and if they show potential, you keep them and build them to the main roster. There are 1000s of Ngannou's out there that just need a chance and some direction.

A big problem is that a lot of these guys wouldn't pass USADA. Eastern Europe and Russia have a bunch of HWs, but have you taken a look at them? USADA would leave only a handful left at best.

 

[That209]

The division is actually better than it usually is. Stipe, Werdum, Overeem, JDS, Ngannou, Cain when he's not injured, and a couple others up and comers. Or maybe people are just upset that Stipe proved everybody wrong by becoming champ and easily smashing all their favourite fighters in one round over and over. Hmm..

 

[A.S. Deep]

The division is actually better than it usually is. Stipe, Werdum, Overeem, JDS, Ngannou, Cain when he's not injured, and a couple others up and comers. Or maybe people are just upset that Stipe proved everybody wrong by becoming champ and easily smashing all their favourite fighters in one round over and over. Hmm..

The problem is Cain doesn't even fight once a year, JDS just popped, and Reem is too damn inconsistent because of his chin. I like Stipe and want him to keep KOing guys, but there's barely any guys left for him now.

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

It's very telling that not a single one of you could refute one thing he said, and all of you just resorted to name calling.

I guess the irrefutable facts hurt your feelings.

It's more telling that Sherdog's village idiot is defending him.

 

[Robbie Corleone]

MMA heavyweights are bottom of the barrel level athletes.

Harsh

 

[PEDS Help me Post]

The division is actually better than it usually is. Stipe, Werdum, Overeem, JDS, Ngannou, Cain when he's not injured, and a couple others up and comers. Or maybe people are just upset that Stipe proved everybody wrong by becoming champ and easily smashing all their favourite fighters in one round over and over. Hmm..

You're saying the division is "better than it usually is" and then listed fighters that have all been in the division for over half a decade except Ngannou whom is completely unproven and somehow ranked #4.

 

[BALLERSTATUSMCG]

big guys would rather play sports that pay a lot and don't require that much skill.. aka being tall and dunking a basketball or jumping and catching a football