Trump's Tax Plan Will be BIGGER than Reagan's but . . .

[superpunch]

Can you Right Wingers see how you are being tooled by a conman and a party without conscience? Of course you can't. That's why you are obedient right wing slaves. You'll believe anything you're told. Tax cuts have never ever paid for themselves

You keep saying that like the alternatives are any better.

Give us a JFK again and we'll vote for him. But you gave us Clinton the II. No one wants 4 of the last 5 presidents to be from the same 2 families.

Seriously, we all would have voted for JFK. But you didn't give him to us and neither did the Republicans give us an Eisenhower. So, Trump was a big fuck you to both of them.

Seeing the establishment freak out for once is fun to watch, even if it means higher taxes and losing my healthcare.

 

[Rod1]

Spending increases always happen.

Don't tell me you were bitching about Obama's spending increases and his record deficits.

They're only bad when Republicans do it.

Obama never spent more as a percentage of the GDP than the last Bush Jr budget.

The large deficits were the product of lower revenue caused by the recession, plus of course the fact that the Republicans voted back the Bush tax cuts.

 

[superpunch]

The attempts of the MSM to get the American population to forget what it was like in the most prosperous years of the American ecomony, is sickening.

Yet they have endless praise for the Obama years, which was the longest recession in history. That's the new baseline normal, including the inflation and doubling of the national debt.

Somehow, that's fine under Obama, but looking into a crystal ball and predicting the future of it happening under a Republican President.... oh no... that can't happen.

Just another example of the MSM narriative that everything is fine under Democrat Presidents, and horrible under Republicans.

You know, it is kind of sad that my brother born in 2000 has never known what it feels like to not have a country at war, and doesn't know what it feels like to have America be a happy, united place with a booming economy like the tech bubble. 1995-2000 under Clinton was something else. I hope America is like that again one day.

I understand why the younger generation doesn't love their country as much older generations did and is going slightly nuts. Why should they love the America they've experienced? I wouldn't.

 

[curryjunkie]

i saw this, dont know how accurate it is another article said it adds 7 trillion to the deficit over 10 years
the CBO probably has the most reliable figures, but its still open to interpretation until details are fixed.
also this http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tax-cuts-wont-make-america-great-again

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Obama never spent more as a percentage of the GDP than the last Bush Jr budget.

The large deficits were the product of lower revenue caused by the recession, plus of course the fact that the Republicans voted back the Bush tax cuts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briand...han-bushs-by-obamas-own-numbers/#692f05be9d7a

Might want to double-check your first claim on that. That is, unless that 'Obama never spent...' doesn't include the $800 Billion Stimulus Plan that didn't stimulate anything other than union employment.

Oh, and its cute that you left out the fact Obama signed off on keeping the Bush-era tax cuts.

Whenever the discussion of tax cuts come along, liberals always convieniently leave out that detail... like its completely irrelevant.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You know, it is kind of sad that my brother born in 2000 has never known what it feels like to not have a country at war, and doesn't know what it feels like to have America be a happy, united place with a booming economy like the tech bubble. 1995-2000 under Clinton was something else. I hope America is like that again one day.

I understand why the younger generation doesn't love their country as much older generations did and is going slightly nuts. Why should they love the America they've experienced? I wouldn't.

Then that says alot about you, and your lack of effort in educating your brother as to why he, and you should love America.

And those reasons include, you can leave this country and live anywhere else you choose, a country you love.

But also include the detail that many countries don't include that privilege.

But as far as the criticisms of 'America,' recognize the populations have little to do with it and its the fucking politicians are fucking things up.

 

[Rod1]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/briand...han-bushs-by-obamas-own-numbers/#692f05be9d7a

Might want to double-check your first claim on that. That is, unless that 'Obama never spent...' doesn't include the $800 Billion Stimulus Plan that didn't stimulate anything other than union employment.

Oh, and its cute that you left out the fact Obama signed off on keeping the Bush-era tax cuts.

Whenever the discussion of tax cuts come along, liberals always convieniently leave out that detail... like its completely irrelevant.

1.- The stimulus is considered on budget unlike the Bush illegal wars which were kept off the record through the supplemental emergency budget gimmick.

2.- The author stats measuring from the start of 2009 during inauguration day and not from Oct 1, which is when fiscal year ends.

3.- Obama signed those cuts because Congress was held hostage.

4.- Funny how being a fiscal conservative is now considered a liberal position

 

[Roaming East]

But as far as the criticisms of 'America,' recognize the populations have little to do with it and its the fucking politicians are fucking things up.

yeah except the whole 'continously voting them into office en masse because of identity politics'

Im old enough to remember 'its the economy stupid'. Nowadays, the election cycle isnt about what will positively impact the country. Hell, its not even about what will positively impact the individual voter, fuck everyone else (which as cynical as it is, still makes sense). Voting now is about actively fucking over some other guy regardless if it in fact, fucks you over too. 2017 was the 'fuck other people' vote more than anything. The unwashed masses that swept this crap cycle into office are the primary ones about to take it in the ass but so long as some liberal somewhere is annoyed by it, theyll bend over and ask for another go. Stiggin it at its finest.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I wonder when trump will go on tv with a pointer and a poster board of graphs like Reagan did.

Selling the idea that middle class and labor paying more is actually beneficial for America. How if the rich get more it will "raise all ships"

It was bullshit than and its bullshit today.

Simple rebranding of a failed 1980s fairytale mythical economic program

 

[GearSolidMetal]

1.- The stimulus is considered on budget unlike the Bush illegal wars which were kept off the record through the supplemental emergency budget gimmick.

2.- The author stats measuring from the start of 2009 during inauguration day and not from Oct 1, which is when fiscal year ends.

3.- Obama signed those cuts because Congress was held hostage.

4.- Funny how being a fiscal conservative is now considered a liberal position

Obama.... 'a fiscal conservative'... After a decade since Obama announced his Presidential run, this is a first anyone has ever called a conservative in any possible respect.

Lol @ Congress holding Obama hostage on anything. Yeah, that's believable.

 

[Rod1]

Obama.... 'a fiscal conservative'... After a decade since Obama announced his Presidential run, this is a first anyone has ever called a conservative in any possible respect.

Lol @ Congress holding Obama hostage on anything. Yeah, that's believable.

Fiscal conservativism is the idea that government shouldnt be running large deficits, revenue must match spending.

Bush left the country with a 9.8% GDP deficit. (without counting the of the book spending in the wars)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget

Obama left the country with a 2.6% deficit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget

So who is the fiscal conservative?

Plus the Republicans now that they are in power are trying to increase the deficits through the roof by slashing revenue without slashing spending.

 

[Rod1]

Obama.... 'a fiscal conservative'... After a decade since Obama announced his Presidential run, this is a first anyone has ever called a conservative in any possible respect.

Lol @ Congress holding Obama hostage on anything. Yeah, that's believable.

Forgot to add.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ock-dem-legislation-tax-cuts-budget-pass.html

Hostage.

 

[Jack V Savage]

So, the article admits that lowering income tax rates increased the federal income to 65%.

Go ahead liberals, explain why that's a negative.

It doesn't matter what your ideological leaning is. This is an inaccurate reading of both the piece and the reality. Nominal tax collections increased 65%, but nowhere does it say or could any honest, non-moron conclude that the tax cuts caused federal revenue to increase.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

It doesn't matter what your ideological leaning is. This is an inaccurate reading of both the piece and the reality. Nominal tax collections increased 65%, but nowhere does it say or could any honest, non-moron conclude that the tax cuts caused federal revenue to increase.

Aren't you the guy that said CNN is biased towards Republicans?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yeah, would have been even more prosperous if he didn't raise taxes and kept riding the wave that Reagan and Bush made for him.

'Population growth,' as in that's a completely seperate issue, right? Married couples intentionally have kids when it's economically convienient, due to more and higher paying jobs are available.

Oh, don't count on that being included in any MSM economic reports about the 1980s.

Wait, so Reagan's tax cuts caused the prime-age population to grow immediately after they passed? I don't think you're familiar with how time works.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Aren't you the guy that said CNN is biased towards Republicans?

The proper response to having a mistake pointed out (assuming it was an honest mistake) is "thank you, I'll correct that."

 

[44nutman]

This is IT!

TS what is a right winger? In your opinion?

He was the last Conservative. When he died the current batch just serves their corporate overlords, while procuring enough votes from their religious base to keep office.
They got to make that lobbyist money, can't do that if you are not elected.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

The attempts of the MSM to get the American population to forget what it was like in the most prosperous years of the American ecomony, is sickening.

Yet they have endless praise for the Obama years, which was the longest recession in history. That's the new baseline normal, including the inflation and doubling of the national debt.

Somehow, that's fine under Obama, but looking into a crystal ball and predicting the future of it happening under a Republican President.... oh no... that can't happen.

Just another example of the MSM narriative that everything is fine under Democrat Presidents, and horrible under Republicans.

So are you aware or do you recall what happened to the national debt under Reagan?

And So It Goes... the continuing myth of the fiscal conservative Republican Party

 

[RockstarChris]

He was the last Conservative. When he died the current batch just serves their corporate overlords, while procuring enough votes from their religious base to keep office.
They got to make that lobbyist money, can't do that if you are not elected.

democrats think republicans are controlled by rich white people? LOL

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Fiscal conservativism is the idea that government shouldnt be running large deficits, revenue must match spending.

Bush left the country with a 9.8% GDP deficit. (without counting the of the book spending in the wars)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget

Obama left the country with a 2.6% deficit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget

So who is the fiscal conservative?

Plus the Republicans now that they are in power are trying to increase the deficits through the roof by slashing revenue without slashing spending.

So.... suddenly fiscal conservativism, in discussions about positive economic growth, taxes, deficits, and GDP... is a good thing in the eyes of Democrats, Liberals, and Socialists?

I mention Socialists, because I'm going to remember this whenever Bernie Sanders is brought up in these discussions.