UFC should adopt Communist pay scale

[Carrotman23]

haha well keep in mind the manifesto was written for his perceived audience (largely illiterate masses of 1800s Europe). Which is why it is empty of scientific method / heavy on catchy slogans. Capital is what he actually thought / actually put a wealth of research and insight into it. Best writing of his by far IMO.

Completely agree I know I gotta come back to it and really crack it open if I'm to understand the fundamentals of Marxism. But my ass is kinda like an 19th century proletariat in 2022 so the manifestos more up allie lol.

 

[Carrotman23]

Sam Alvey gets 500,000/500,000

Yeah he's saying the UFC pay structure is not communist and should be under that model hence the Qoute. Which I agree with but I too thought he was saying the UFC pay structure is "communist" at first <45>. Especially when the post was originally titled "UFC pay structure and communism" or something like that.

 

[Dionysian]

But my ass is kinda like an 19th century proletariat in 2022

lol awesome phrase man

 

[Jonathan Utah]

Yeah he's saying the UFC pay structure is not communist and should be under that model hence the Qoute. Which I agree with but I too thought he was saying the UFC pay structure is "communist" at first <45>. Especially when the post was originally titled "UFC pay structure and communism" or something like that.

I’m joking saying that’s what Sam Alvey should get.

 

[Shaddows]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Has this ever been talked about?

The basic scheme I'm advocating for is: each fighter gets a base salary of not what they deserve, but what they need to have an effective training camp. So the guys who need more intensive training and counsel and diet planning get more money, and the natural talents get less money. Furthermore, aside from this one difference, pay is radically equal across the board.

Each fighter gets paid whatever the UFC average is, I'm guessing around 90 k. Then there are sliding scales based on need. Mickey Gall would get paid like 200 k, since he needs a complete overhaul of his game at this point. A natural fighter like Khamzat would less, like 80k per fight, since he doesn't need much training.

Win bonuses and FOTN bonuses would still apply on top of whatever their base pay is, and champion fight incentives would also still apply.

This way, fighters are equalized with respect to the amount of training resources they're able to obtain, but they still have the opportunity to make more money via winning and becoming champion.

In addition, this would create a huge incentive to unionize and demand better overall fight pay, to move the average up to around 200 k. Then every fighter would get a guaranteed good purse.

Also, Bruce Buffer's pay would be reduced to 20k per fight, just because.

Thoughts?

By your logic, a guy like this gets the most money in the UFC.
You make no sense.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

By your logic, a guy like this gets the most money in the UFC.
You make no sense.

There are still standards though. The worst UFC fighter doesn't look like that.

 

[Carrotman23]

I’m joking saying that’s what Sam Alvey should get.

UFC is so awful I just assumed that's around what Sam Alvey actually gets <45>. He's a company man after all!

"Fuck Unions"
- Sam Alvey

 

[Shaddows]

There are still standards though. The worst UFC fighter doesn't look like that.

Sorry, but you lack logic.
It's fairly easy (and inexpensive) to get a trainer to teach you the basics.
But once you are a black belt, it is far harder (and a lot more expensive) to find a good trainer that can teach you new tricks.

So giving less money to your best fighters will actually turn all fighters mediocre at best.

what incentive will they have to learn, if they will get less money?

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Sorry, but you lack logic.
It's fairly easy (and inexpensive) to get a trainer to teach you the basics.
But once you are a black belt, it is far harder (and a lot more expensive) to find a good trainer that can teach you new tricks.

So giving less money to your best fighters will actually turn all fighters mediocre at best.

what incentive will they have to learn, if they will get less money?

They get less base money, they still get win bonuses and champion incentives and FOTN bonuses. There's still an incentive, but the base pay is equalized.

And they can still get cut.

 

[JKS]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Has this ever been talked about?

The basic scheme I'm advocating for is: each fighter gets a base salary of not what they deserve, but what they need to have an effective training camp. So the guys who need more intensive training and counsel and diet planning get more money, and the natural talents get less money. Furthermore, aside from this one difference, pay is radically equal across the board.

Each fighter gets paid whatever the UFC average is, I'm guessing around 90 k. Then there are sliding scales based on need. Mickey Gall would get paid like 200 k, since he needs a complete overhaul of his game at this point. A natural fighter like Khamzat would less, like 80k per fight, since he doesn't need much training.

Win bonuses and FOTN bonuses would still apply on top of whatever their base pay is, and champion fight incentives would also still apply.

This way, fighters are equalized with respect to the amount of training resources they're able to obtain, but they still have the opportunity to make more money via winning and becoming champion.

In addition, this would create a huge incentive to unionize and demand better overall fight pay, to move the average up to around 200 k. Then every fighter would get a guaranteed good purse.

Also, Bruce Buffer's pay would be reduced to 20k per fight, just because.

Thoughts?

So what you’re suggesting is Conor McGregor should get like $350K and still be among highest paid ?

 

[Carrotman23]

So what you’re suggesting is Conor McGregor should get like $350K and still be among highest paid ?

If that meant the people who actually deserve 350k a fight but are currently eating shit in the UFC in terms of pay then unironically yes.

 

[GrantB13]

Communism is always advertised as being great for the people, less stress, and a better way to live. Name one Communist society that is happy and the country is run well. Sure the GOVERNMENT might has tons of resources and they may have a big economy and military prowess but the people the idea was sold to live in mediocre conditions.

Also, think about what this means: Shitty fighter get great pay, and great fighters get paid peanuts. Afterall, the great fighters don't NEED great financial compensation because they're so good. We should give that money to less talented fighters. Therefore, some bum is raking in the money for being a shitty fighter while the champs get paid minimally because they don't deserve or need money.

 

[Kyd Blake]

The Dana's getting the Romanov treatment would be nice.

Haha yeah. That'd be sweet. I'd elaborate, but that probably wouldnt end well for my account.

Bro.....that's not how communism works. Even before that is the socialism stage where the new working class government intervenes and controls the economy. It's not just literally throwing more money at fighters when the ruling class (in this case, Dana White, Endeavor, and the rich investors) still exist and can still exploit them out all of their funds.

If you will "communism" would kind of be like all the fighters on the roster gathering up, going to the UFC headquarters in Vegas and ousting Dana as president and all his staff and replacing him with a new fighter first UFC president (GSP?) and making precautions that that type of mass fighter exploitation Dana pulled off never happens again by any means necessary.

Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society that has never been truly achieved yet if ever. Not no super strict dictatorship state capitalist shit show like the USSR or today's China. This has been your lesson for the day.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

Communism is always advertised as being great for the people, less stress, and a better way to live. Name one Communist society that is happy and the country is run well. Sure the GOVERNMENT might has tons of resources and they may have a big economy and military prowess but the people the idea was sold to live in mediocre conditions.

Also, think about what this means: Shitty fighter get great pay, and great fighters get paid peanuts. Afterall, the great fighters don't NEED great financial compensation because they're so good. We should give that money to less talented fighters. Therefore, some bum is raking in the money for being a shitty fighter while the champs get paid minimally because they don't deserve or need money.

History is not the best indicator. Communisms and socialisms of the past have been under constant threat of destruction from outside capitalist and fascist forces, and needed brutal dictators to survive for the most part.

Give me an example of a Communist or socialist regime that was given space to develop without outside interference, then we'll talk.

 

[burningspear]

25/25 should be the absolute minimum for anyone fighting under the UFC banner.

 

[Lawrence]

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Has this ever been talked about?

The basic scheme I'm advocating for is: each fighter gets a base salary of not what they deserve, but what they need to have an effective training camp. So the guys who need more intensive training and counsel and diet planning get more money, and the natural talents get less money. Furthermore, aside from this one difference, pay is radically equal across the board.

Each fighter gets paid whatever the UFC average is, I'm guessing around 90 k. Then there are sliding scales based on need. Mickey Gall would get paid like 200 k, since he needs a complete overhaul of his game at this point. A natural fighter like Khamzat would less, like 80k per fight, since he doesn't need much training.

Win bonuses and FOTN bonuses would still apply on top of whatever their base pay is, and champion fight incentives would also still apply.

This way, fighters are equalized with respect to the amount of training resources they're able to obtain, but they still have the opportunity to make more money via winning and becoming champion.

In addition, this would create a huge incentive to unionize and demand better overall fight pay, to move the average up to around 200 k. Then every fighter would get a guaranteed good purse.

Also, Bruce Buffer's pay would be reduced to 20k per fight, just because.

Thoughts?

 

[Carrotman23]

Haha yeah. That'd be sweet. I'd elaborate, but that probably wouldnt end well for my account.

Bro.....that's not how communism works. Even before that is the socialism stage where the new working class government intervenes and controls the economy. It's not just literally throwing more money at fighters when the ruling class (in this case, Dana White, Endeavor, and the rich investors) still exist and can still exploit them out all of their funds.

If you will "communism" would kind of be like all the fighters on the roster gathering up, going to the UFC headquarters in Vegas and ousting Dana as president and all his staff and replacing him with a new fighter first UFC president (GSP?) and making precautions that that type of mass fighter exploitation Dana pulled off never happens again by any means necessary.

Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society that has never been truly achieved yet if ever. Not no super strict dictatorship state capitalist shit show like the USSR or today's China. This has been your lesson for the day.

Thats a pretty shit lesson because I've heard the same crap rehashed on every anarchist Twitter post over the last decade. I'm fully aware that Communism as a political ideology is about collective ownership over the "means of production" or in the 21st century the means of finance as well. I don't need a rehashed lesson on that my friend. You are also simplifying the relations of the state to the Bourgeoise and what any revolutionary/emencapitory post capitalist movement must do in terms of weilding state power in any [for now] theoretical transition to a stateless society.

In my opinion the Soviet Union and post Mao China could not be described as "state capitalist"(a silly phrase because all capitalist society's have a state) and more importantly we'd have to discuss what those respective society's conditions actually were before revolution and the complexity of the global capitalist and imperialist system at the time especially with the Soviet Union born out of the fires of WW1 and isolated in an era of unprecedented global crisis between 1914-1945 respectively .

Your idea of "communism" is out of a comic book and has little to do with actually building a better world .

 

[RudimarChute]

 

[Shaddows]

They get less base money, they still get win bonuses and champion incentives and FOTN bonuses. There's still an incentive, but the base pay is equalized.

And they can still get cut.

Sorry, but that's just stupid.
They already get win bonuses, and it is not for every win.
Not every top fighter becomes the champ.
Meaning (again) you are turning every top fighter mediocre at best.
Your plan would essentially kill the UFC. Congrats!

 

[Fergelmince]

Off to the wasteland you go!

Yes, I've see much better threads get wastelanded @Oku