International Venezuela, The Socialist Dystopia, v2: The region's worst humanitarian crisis in decades

[Rozko]

I can't wait for Democrat Socialists to be elected in November.

We need more of what's happened in Venezuela, in America.

But it is not real socialism and they will do it right this time... just like last time...

 

[GearSolidMetal]

But it is not real socialism and will do it right this time... just like last time...

Just like Denmark!


...which isn't a Democratic Socialist country, but Democrat Socialists like to pretend it is.

 

[Arkain2K]

Venezuela lawmaker who decried health crisis flees, denouncing threats
Alexandra Ulmer | July 27, 2018

Opposition lawmaker Jose Manuel Olivares (C) shouts next to others, as they clash with riot security forces during a protest against Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro's government in Caracas, Venezuela June 5, 2017. ​

CARACAS (Reuters) - Opposition lawmaker and oncologist Jose Manuel Olivares, who led protests over Venezuela’s crumbling health sector, has fled for neighboring Colombia after being told that his relatives could be arrested unless he quit politics.

Olivares said the SEBIN intelligence service grew increasingly aggressive after his brother was arrested last year and detained for several months in what Olivares called an arbitrary detention meant to intimidate him.

At the end of last week, Olivares received a phone call from a man who identified himself as a member of the SEBIN.

“He said I had not learned my lesson with my brother, and informed me that they had arrest warrants against my wife, my mother, and my brother,” Olivares told Reuters on Friday, adding that SEBIN patrols were also regularly visiting his relatives’ homes.

After that phone call, the 32-year-old lawmaker who represented the coastal state of Vargas decided to flee.

Over the weekend, Olivares and his wife, brother, and three-month-old son drove 18 hours to the Colombian border, which they crossed illegally because the baby had not been granted a passport.

Colombia’s center-right government, a fierce critic of leftist Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, has allowed them in despite the child’s lack of papers and the family is now in the capital Bogota, Olivares said.

“We left the country in a traumatic way. I am going to have to work now, hopefully as a doctor but I might have to do anything, like so many other Venezuelans around the world,” Olivares said in allusion to impoverished Venezuelan immigrants who increasingly wait tables, construct buildings and sell street food across Latin America.

Olivares’ departure further swells the ranks of opposition activists forced into exile, arrested, or barred from politics during Maduro’s crackdown on dissent.

The lawmaker had been at the forefront of protests decrying medicine shortages, crumbling health infrastructure, and a mass emigration of doctors. He also helped organize research into the state of hospitals after the Health Ministry stopped publishing key data on disease and infant mortality.

“Maduro’s government thinks that with this persecution they hurt me or weaken me, but it is the complete opposite,” Olivares wrote on Thursday night in a letter posted on Twitter announcing his departure. “They are the ones exposing themselves, because of their evil and cowardice as they persecute my family and newborn son, as well as because of the fear they have of people protesting and demanding their rights.”

Venezuela’s Information Ministry did not respond to a request for comment.

Maduro says the opposition is a coup-plotting elite seeking to topple him by sabotaging the economy. Most economists instead blame Venezuela’s creaking state-led system for shortages, hyperinflation, and five years of economic contraction.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ahead-of-central-bank-data-fest-idUSKBN1KK020

 

[ocfightfan]

Maybe Maduro can be Bernies running mate the next go round.

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Arkain2K]

 

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[Rod1]

I can't wait for Democrat Socialists to be elected in November.

We need more of what's happened in Venezuela, in America.

If you were in front of me i would punch you in the face.

Dont fucking trivialize human suffering, if you want to go make retarded political points about Democrats and spending then go to one of the tens of daily threads about how Republicans are "fiscally conservative".

 

[Rod1]

Maybe Maduro can be Bernies running mate the next go round.

Right, because Republicans are doing a great job at managing the debt.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

If you were in front of me i would punch you in the face.

You wouldn't land it.

Dont fucking trivialize human suffering, if you want to go make retarded political points about Democrats and spending then go to one of the tens of daily threads about how Republicans are "fiscally conservative".

Who said anything about spending.

We're talking about the complete failure of socialism/communism every time it has been attempted, and we're now looking at the results 19 years into an attempt in Venezuela, and we have fucking idiots like Sanders and Cortez who want to try it out here.

You may think I'm making a real joke at the Venezuelan people, you're wrong, its gallows humor.

 

[Rod1]

You wouldn't land it.

Its the intention that counts.

Who said anything about spending.

We're talking about the complete failure of socialism/communism every time it has been attempted, and we're now looking at the results 19 years into an attempt in Venezuela, and we have fucking idiots like Sanders and Cortez who want to try it out here.

How do you think hyperinflation happens in the first place? Honest question.

You may think I'm making a real joke at the Venezuelan people, you're wrong, its gallows humor.

It seems that you are trivializing their plight by comparing UHC (which virtually any developed nation has) to socialism but thats just me.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

How do you think hyperinflation happens in the first place? Honest question.

I'm not pleased with the two-faceness of Republicans who bitched about Obama's spending for 8 years, and are dead silent when Bush was in the White House or currently Trump.

But, at very freaking least, we have a booming economy to pay for that debt liability.

Hugo Chavez in Venezuela did - and other socialists here want to - ignorantly or purposely destroy that economy that supports those financial liabilities, and eventually lead to hyper-inflation, a depression never to be recovered from, and economic collapse.

 

[Rational Poster]

But it is not real socialism and they will do it right this time... just like last time...

What's wrong with France and Germany?

 

[Rod1]

I'm not pleased with the two-faceness of Republicans who bitched about Obama's spending for 8 years, and are dead silent when Bush was in the White House or currently Trump.

So why bitch about Bernie when Republicans are the ones running the money printing machine?

Hugo Chavez in Venezuela did - and other socialists here want to - ignorantly or purposely destroy that economy that supports those financial liabilities, and eventually lead to hyper-inflation, a depression never to be recovered from, and economic collapse.

Hugo Chavez did away with a market economy, so far i have never heard about Bernie trying to do the same.

And the hyperinflation happens because they use money printing to finance their deficit.

Taxes is not socialism.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

So why bitch about Bernie when Republicans are the ones running the money printing machine?

Rod, because he's an idiot.

Hugo Chavez did away with a market economy, so far i have never heard about Bernie trying to do the same.

Oh no, Bernie doesn't want to destroy the market economy, but he does want to raise taxes for the rich up to 90%, which would destroy the economy but that'd be one of the many unforseen and unintended consequences.

And the hyperinflation happens because they use money printing to finance their deficit.

Taxes is not socialism.

Pointing out the obvious here.

The difference is, the USA has the economic system and the reliability of the dollar to hedge against hyper inflation.

When was the last time any Democrat Socialism ever addressed hyper-inflation? Which would happen if they printed money to pay for all their promises?

 

[Rod1]

Rod, because he's an idiot.

Just like Trump, the era of competent politicians is long gone.

Its a popularity contest now.

Oh no, Bernie doesn't want to destroy the market economy, but he does want to raise taxes for the rich up to 90%, which would destroy the economy but that'd be one of the many unforseen and unintended consequences.

Didnt the US ran several decades with a 90% upper marginal tax rate?

Pointing out the obvious here.

The difference is, the USA has the economic system and the reliability of the dollar to hedge against hyper inflation.

So why fearmonger with Bernie?

When was the last time any Democrat Socialism ever addressed hyper-inflation? Which would happen if they printed money to pay for all their promises?

In the last 40 years its been always a republican president running the money printer.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Just like Trump, the era of competent politicians is long gone.

Its a popularity contest now.

Incorrect.

Trump's tax cuts have been effective, as displayed by the GNP growth.

And his threats of tariffs leading to better trade deals have also been positive.

Didnt the US ran several decades with a 90% upper marginal tax rate?

Yes, but that was when the US was the only economic powerhouse after WWII. Times have changed, and as Venezuela has showed, the rich can leave and take their money elsewhere.

So why fearmonger with Bernie?

It ain't fearmongering, it'd be a reality if he or any other Socialist achieved power and were able to implement their stupidity.

In the last 40 years its been always a republican president running the money printer.

Go check how much the national debt rose under Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

 

[Rod1]

ncorrect.

Trump's tax cuts have been effective, as displayed by the GNP growth.

And his threats of tariffs leading to better trade deals have also been positive.

Venezuela was also having record growth numbers, its meaningless if that growth is financed through debt.

Yes, but that was when the US was the only economic powerhouse after WWII. Times have changed, and as Venezuela has showed, the rich can leave and take their money elsewhere.

Again, it wasnt because of taxes.

It ain't fearmongering, it'd be a reality if he or any other Socialist achieved power and were able to implement their stupidity.

And Trump is literally Hitler, talk about pampered first world hysterics.

Go check how much the national debt rose under Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

The debt wouldnt be a problem now without Bush's tax cuts.

 

[Rational Poster]

Rod, because he's an idiot.


Oh no, Bernie doesn't want to destroy the market economy, but he does want to raise taxes for the rich up to 90%, which would destroy the economy but that'd be one of the many unforseen and unintended consequences.



Pointing out the obvious here.

The difference is, the USA has the economic system and the reliability of the dollar to hedge against hyper inflation.

When was the last time any Democrat Socialism ever addressed hyper-inflation? Which would happen if they printed money to pay for all their promises?

The economy as we know it was built when the taxes on the rich were 92%.

I hope this helps.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Venezuela was also having record growth numbers, its meaningless if that growth is financed through debt.

Record growth numbers, under socialism, and eventually record inflation and economic collapse.

Again, it wasnt because of taxes.

Oh sure, that was a complete non-factor.

If you're rich, would you bother working when you only get to keep 10% of what you earn?

And Trump is literally Hitler, talk about pampered first world hysterics.

Except Trump isn't Hitler, and every Socialist regime that promised prosperity has failed.

The debt wouldnt be a problem now without Bush's tax cuts.

Yes, there's always a Republican to blame for everything.