What do Americans think of Native Indians?

[eighterumg5]

I've been to the battle of little big horn and those troops deserved every bit of hell they deserved. Anybody that has read up on that side of history should feel the same way

 

[MFIC]

When I lived in Wyoming for a bit in my younger days I banged an "indian" chick.

I’m surprised you even found a female in that shithole state. I got stranded in Evanston, Wyoming for a week. It was a sausage fest full of meth heads

 

[Slick_36]

not all natives were the same. you're talking about 2 continents of people. some of them were murderous savages like the mongols or the hun. others were so peaceful we havent even found weapons when their villages and cities are excavated. so no, not everyone has killed and murdered for their place in the world.

the europeans landing caused the worst plague in human history, so no, it wasnt the best thing that ever happened to them.

the aztec, inca, and mississippian empires had technology comparable to that of the old world. they didnt have guns, or steel, but thats because they didnt have the domesticable animals that helped you create such things back then. tenochtitlan was larger than any euro city at the time, and better organized.

africa is completely different. the animals, parasites, diseases, and climate throughout much of africa make it impossible to create new york city or tokyo there, even if everyone who lives there is albert einstein. not to mention the fact that nearly all of those countries only gained their independence from colonizers in the 1950s lol. thyeve only been countries less than a century. give them a f'ing chance to develop. would have been a totally different situation in north and south america. stop pulling nonsense out of your ass.

The Mongols weren't murderous savages, they were just really good at killing without being killed in an age of might makes right, but great post none the less.

 

[Slick_36]

I am of the belief that some of the groups that cropped up after the indigenious apocalypse by disease were groups similar to the gangs in the mad max series of films. But instead of crazy cars they had horses and they probably wrecked havoc on the more peaceful tribes.

I mean you can trace the history of horses in North America. You had the small Comanche people who were pushed around by the Apache, the Apache adopted the horse largely for food but the Comanche saw them as a war tool and started breeding them for specific traits. Pretty quickly the Comanche had a huge advantage in ability and skill and became super dominant while spreading down in to Texas, being one of the last holdouts in the war for the west.

You also had the Naz Perce and their Appaloosas but I'm not as familiar with them.

 

[I am your real dad]

Have to admit everytime i write the word Indian i have wondered if it was ok to do so.
A couple of years back i was listening to a speech by someone about repirations for blacks in America. The speaker, who was black himself, mentioned that some Native tribes had African slaves. I'd never heard of that before, or since actually, is it factually correct, anyone know?

Even blacks owned other black slaves.
If a person had enough money they could buy slaves.

 

[Slick_36]

A lot of this is about perspective -we know our own history, so hindsite is easier to judge. Some of the tribes people feel bad for now erased the names of the tribes before them. Hard to feel bad for someone you don’t even know about. Like someone said earlier in the thread -today we don’t truly know the beasts we really are, and always have been.


This period of ‘judgement’ and ‘enlightenment’ a lot of us lucky enough to be born 1st world reside in currently is just a grain of sand in an endless desert of human history.

They fought over territory but I can't really recall any stories about tribes being wiped out by eachother. They were brutal in war but war wasn't as constant like it was in Europe.

It's problematic to write off what happened as people being people. And it's especially problematic when Native communities still face so many problems today that relate to the past.

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

I mean you can trace the history of horses in North America. You had the small Comanche people who were pushed around by the Apache, the Apache adopted the horse largely for food but the Comanche saw them as a war tool and started breeding them for specific traits. Pretty quickly the Comanche had a huge advantage in ability and skill and became super dominant while spreading down in to Texas, being one of the last holdouts in the war for the west.

You also had the Naz Perce and their Appaloosas but I'm not as familiar with them.

I'm only familiar with the Comanchee from western films which are always portrayed as the ultimate badguy to both cowboys and other Indians alike.

 

[dildos]

americans love the native americans, they never tried to wipe them out.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

The Mongols weren't murderous savages, they were just really good at killing without being killed in an age of might makes right, but great post none the less.

right. they were just better at what everyone else was trying to do.

but what is a savage anyway?

 

[Jack Stevonovich]

he's a pretty solid stereotype of Indians in the west. Extremely status oriented, willingly appropriates the culture of others for status alone without any contextual background on it other than the fad itself and it's translation into status which makes him superficial, shallow and disrespectful of other cultures.

 

[Billthebutcher]

They own casinos here and are doing very well. They make and sell cigarettes cheaper by the carton.

As a movie fan, Gary Farmer was great in Dead Man. Wes Studi was Sagat-not a good career move...

 

[Slick_36]

I'm only familiar with the Comanchee from western films which are always portrayed as the ultimate badguy to both cowboys and other Indians alike.

They're like if the Cleveland Browns became the New England Patriots in a couple seasons. Scrappy underdogs everybody pushed around, being isolated to a tough land nobody wanted. Then they get the equivalent of a nuke in the war horse and become one of the most merciless tribes there were by far. They treated the others how they were treated and had a chip on their shoulder, becoming a serious power in the region but with a rougher edge than those before them.

They were tough, brutal, and mean. They adopted technology well becoming this kind of hybrid, an outsider among the other tribes and the Europeans with Native culture and European technology. And they didn't lay down for manifest destiny, they fought tooth and nail like they had not so long before to rise up. So they were a terror to their neighbors and the white man not long before the golden age of Westerns.

 

[Fight To Win]

I'm cool with them for the most part. Some of them haven't retained their dignity but most have and that's no small feat considering what they were put through.

 

[nicapica]

Im an indegenous Nicaraguan .So I am “amerindian” one thing about natives never give us booze I’ve had 3 uncles pass away my dads a lowlife because of liquor. I had to learn the hard way to stay away from the bottle.

 

[Slick_36]

right. they were just better at what everyone else was trying to do.

but what is a savage anyway?

I think the distinction is they weren't plundering resources and leaving. They fostered religious freedom and education. They were great at adopting new technology and solutions to new problems. They used politics in their queens to govern softly. They opened trade routes and connected civilizations together, true globalization that would impress even the Romans. They had culture of their own but it was alien to most of the world.

Nomadic empires won't last though and family infighting brought it all down. The way the world has seen them has been almost entirely from the perspective of others, many times as propaganda against them or another people. The other is usually portrayed as a mindless savage, but it's not quite accurate.

 

[squeakymcgill]

Poverty stricken members of broken obsolete cultures with high rates of addiction and mental health issues. They have casinos, sell fireworks and the reservation gas stations are less likely to card minors.

It's pretty sad.

 

[Slick_36]

Poverty stricken members of broken obsolete cultures with high rates of addiction and mental health issues. They have casinos, sell fireworks and the reservation gas stations are less likely to card minors.

It's pretty sad.

What makes a culture broken and obsolete?

 

[frye666]

My son in law is native. And as well my grandson. The doctor put my grandson in the top 99% for height and size. Now my son in law is a heavyweight, and just skilled at anything he tries physically. So my grandson should be a physically gifted man at least 6ft6 and near 300 lbs. (serious, many in his family are damn near that now)
So I guess in his case, Americans will think of him as "Sir"

 

[JOE QUEEF]

he's a pretty solid stereotype of Indians in the west. Extremely status oriented, willingly appropriates the culture of others for status alone without any contextual background on it other than the fad itself and it's translation into status which makes him superficial, shallow and disrespectful of other cultures.

I’ll take your word for it. I have no idea who that is.

 

[jefferz]

Have to admit everytime i write the word Indian i have wondered if it was ok to do so.
A couple of years back i was listening to a speech by someone about repirations for blacks in America. The speaker, who was black himself, mentioned that some Native tribes had African slaves. I'd never heard of that before, or since actually, is it factually correct, anyone know?

Slaves owned by the Choctaw Tribe, The Choctaw Freedman.

Even Sakakawea was a slave. She was Shashone and captured by the Hidatsa when she was young.