What do you think about Chinese traditional medicine and herbalism?

[cincymma79]

Um yes, that's very much a one of the main practices of TCM. Why is that so surprising?

As for your comment about kids....I don't know what it's supposed to mean but whatever...as the kids would say.

Make sure to run some rhino horn on your pronouns

 

[Gigacardio]

i like it
I prefer herbal remedies besides chemical solutions to every problem
I am too set in my ways to go full tcm mindset watching my food and movements for a long-term goal
I'd rather just eat what I want and deal with the consequences later

my best bud is working on his PhD in tcm herbology here in Shanghai and I was his practice dummy years ago for accupuncture lol

if you like tcm you could look at en rolling a school and working on some rudimentary Chinese

good luck

There are some schools for it in Europe too.

So you live in China? What tends to be the professional reputation of TCM doctor s there? Do they command any occupational prestige? For instance do you hear a lot of kids that do very well in school who want to study TCM at university?

 

[Gigacardio]

Make sure to run some rhino horn on your pronouns

And now you sound like the angry type.

 

[Spounman]

I've been to acupuncture, I believe there's something to it

 

[Tatra]

There's a reason why the east has been eating Western dust for the past 500 years and only began to make progress after it embraced much of what the West has to offer.

 

[Bornstarch]

Red Yeast Rice pills for sure works

 

[chill doggie]

I’ve heard people in China have the option to opt for traditional or western medicine when they are dealing with health issues, for urgent treatment that needs operation people go to western medicine hospitals, but for chronic long term illness they like to try Chinese medicine first.

Acupuncture works, I reckon it’s like other types of alternative healings or medicine in that there might be some impostors here and there, or even low level practitioners. But there is absolute evidence of effectiveness in many studied cases.

 

[Lycandroid]

There is some truth to it. why do you think Asian countries have longer life expectancies and better overall health ?

 

[IDL]

I’ve heard people in China have the option to opt for traditional or western medicine when they are dealing with health issues, for urgent treatment that needs operation people to go western medicine hospitals, but for chronic long term illness they like to try Chinese medicine first.

Acupuncture works, I reckon it’s like other types of alternative healings or medicine in that there might be some impostors here and there, or even low level practitioners. But there is absolute evidence of effectiveness in many studied cases.

That makes sense. Taking natural remedies "feels" like the right choice in terms of it being less invasive and unknown. Tough to know how much is placebo effect though because that is a very powerful effect. If you believe something will work then it may actually work.

Only way to suss it out is through double blind trials.

 

[IDL]

There is some truth to it. why do you think Asian countries have longer life expectancies and better overall health ?

There are way too many variables to declare causation

 

[chardog]

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[Gigacardio]

I've been to acupuncture, I believe there's something to it

Just how much did it help you and for what problem did you get it for if you don't mind sharing?

 

[chill doggie]

That makes sense. Taking natural remedies "feels" like the right choice in terms of it being less invasive and unknown. Tough to know how much is placebo effect though because that is a very powerful effect. If you believe something will work then it may actually work.

Only way to suss it out is through double blind trials.

Placebo effect is real, but unreliable in the long term and doesn’t work on skeptics.
I’ve been researching some of this stuff for a while now and I’ve seen some incredible stuff, if I hear someone with a PhD in material sciences say they’ve used acupuncture anesthetic for a major operation successfully I find the empirical testimony almost as compelling as a formal study, for example.

 

[Gigacardio]

Some interesting quotes by a pre-med student on a medical forum:

'My mother, who's now a neuroscientist, got her Ph.D. in pharmaceutics from a major Japanese university. Her thesis was the isolation of an anti-cancer compound from a natural remedy that had been in use for thousands of years. In Japan and China (not sure about Korea) there are actually a lot of scientists who basically take TCM remedies, test them on animal models to see if they work, and then isolate the active chemical ingredient to figure out the biochemical mechanism for the original remedy. My feeling is that if a TCM drug works really well on a rat with, say, hepatic cancer (what my mother worked with), you probably can't chalk it up to placebo effect'

And:

'I probably also don't need to remind you that there are aspects of western medicine that are also empirically derived. For example, many chemo regimens and drugs are used without knowledge of their mechanisms of action but only their efficacy in clinical trials. Many were also developed through high-throughput chemical screens of both synthetic and naturally-derived compounds in big pharma's chemical libraries. That's not much different from traditional medicines being used because they are good at what they do and discovered by centuries of testing stuff found in the natural environment - except the big pharmas do it much faster.
I believe in giving credit where it's due. If a traditional remedy has scientific basis or efficacy, then I will still call it traditional medicine because it was developed through traditional empirical observations using traditional methods and probably passed down through tradition.'

 

[IDL]

Placebo effect is real, but unreliable in the long term and doesn’t work on skeptics.
I’ve been researching some of this stuff for a while now and I’ve seen some incredible stuff, if I hear someone with a PhD in material sciences say they’ve used acupuncture anesthetic for a major operation successfully I find the empirical testimony almost as compelling as a formal study, for example.

I have no doubt that some remedies do work. It's just a matter of separating the wheat from the chaff because I'm also sure that some of the stuff that gets lumped in to tcm wouldn't pass the double blind test

 

[IDL]

Some interesting quotes by a pre-med student on a medical forum:

'My mother, who's now a neuroscientist, got her Ph.D. in pharmaceutics from a major Japanese university. Her thesis was the isolation of an anti-cancer compound from a natural remedy that had been in use for thousands of years. In Japan and China (not sure about Korea) there are actually a lot of scientists who basically take TCM remedies, test them on animal models to see if they work, and then isolate the active chemical ingredient to figure out the biochemical mechanism for the original remedy. My feeling is that if a TCM drug works really well on a rat with, say, hepatic cancer (what my mother worked with), you probably can't chalk it up to placebo effect'

And:

'I probably also don't need to remind you that there are aspects of western medicine that are also empirically derived. For example, many chemo regimens and drugs are used without knowledge of their mechanisms of action but only their efficacy in clinical trials. Many were also developed through high-throughput chemical screens of both synthetic and naturally-derived compounds in big pharma's chemical libraries. That's not much different from traditional medicines being used because they are good at what they do and discovered by centuries of testing stuff found in the natural environment - except the big pharmas do it much faster.
I believe in giving credit where it's due. If a traditional remedy has scientific basis or efficacy, then I will still call it traditional medicine because it was developed through traditional empirical observations using traditional methods and probably passed down through tradition.'

Something working on a rat suggest it 'may' work on humans. Plenty of things that work on rats don't pan out for us humans.

 

[Deleted member 604289]

I think TCM's are recognised by WHO for other reasons.

 

[Osculater]

I think TCM's are recognised by WHO for other reasons.

 

[Phlog]

Most medicine is keeping the patient happy until they get better.

The placebo effect is huge.

I tend to believe that alternative medicine that works is already part of regular western medicine beyond a few outliers where the medicine is too cheap to be marketed for profit.

 

[Spounman]

Just how much did it help you and for what problem did you get it for if you don't mind sharing?

I don't remember exactly but he gave me tea also. I have someone else in my family who went to acupuncture for various internal issues and it seemed to help along with the tea they were given.