What's the exact difference between Dutch Low kick vs Thai Low kick?

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So, you know, Dutch kickboxing is kinda a thing, and apparently there's a dutch low kick, compared to thai low kick.

I would like ask sherbros the exact difference between the two, other than dutch low kick being bit more straight up than thai low kick, I can't quite see the big difference, but apparently there is.

Thoughts?

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Dutch one is based on Kyokushin, there's more of a squatting down, putting weight into the kick. Its intent is to do damage, thai one typically is more of a feeler or setup. Obviously if fighting someone who isn't used to it and doesn't defend, thais will exploit it and push more for it. Some thais do more of a dutch style like Pornsanae and the Sitmonchai guys

Usually the dutch one, you pivot as you kick, everything rotates in one motion (think opening a door), thai typically pivots then the kick follows
 
j123 said:
Dutch one is based on Kyokushin, there's more of a squatting down, putting weight into the kick. Its intent is to do damage, thai one typically is more of a feeler or setup. Obviously if fighting someone who isn't used to it and doesn't defend, thais will exploit it and push more for it. Some thais do more of a dutch style like Pornsanae and the Sitmonchai guys

Usually the dutch one, you pivot as you kick, everything rotates in one motion (think opening a door), thai typically pivots then the kick follows
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Thanks man, from what I've read, it's the gist of it, but it looks almost the same...
 
Basically the same kick but few small differences, some from the background Karate + Thai vs just Thai, and some differences from the scoring. Boxing scores higher in kickboxing rules vs traditional Muay Thai, so you typically find yourself at closer range when kicking Dutch style.

One example of good Dutch roundhouse kicks is Mr Perfect, Ernesto Hoost. He was an absolute demon with his low kicks, especially when kicking across the front of the thigh instead of to the side of the leg. He'd load up with nice boxing combos, using his hands and footwork to come across or even to turn his opponent then the angle of the kick would end up coming infront of the target instead of to the side where it's easier to check etc, he'd have a decent chamber come round then extend through the kick. Perfect combo of Karate and Muay Thai. Remy Bonjaski is another good example of piecing together Dutch style roundhouse kicks off combos with the his hands. Peter Aerts too, massive kicks coming from his high chamber up, around, then out, BAM.

They're always going to be similar and you will see lots of crossover depending on the fighter and what's happening in the moment. Dutch style is thought of as Karate + Muay Thai, but it's really more like;

Karate + (Karate+Muay thai) + Muay Thai + Boxing

The original Dutch guys, Jan Plas and the others were from Kyokushin Karate, they went to Japan to train in the new kickboxing style with Kenji Kurosaki. Essentially Japanese Kyokushin went to Thailand and added that knowledge to their Karate to make early Kickboxing. Jan formed Mejiro Gym, added more western boxing, had the famous no pads seminar where give and take training was cemented and suddenly Dutch Kickboxing produced some of the best killers around in no time at all.
 
Its not that black and white. Its over 10 different lowkick techniques in traditional muay thai alone.
 
exclamatio said:
Basically the same kick but few small differences, some from the background Karate + Thai vs just Thai, and some differences from the scoring. Boxing scores higher in kickboxing rules vs traditional Muay Thai, so you typically find yourself at closer range when kicking Dutch style.

One example of good Dutch roundhouse kicks is Mr Perfect, Ernesto Hoost. He was an absolute demon with his low kicks, especially when kicking across the front of the thigh instead of to the side of the leg. He'd load up with nice boxing combos, using his hands and footwork to come across or even to turn his opponent then the angle of the kick would end up coming infront of the target instead of to the side where it's easier to check etc, he'd have a decent chamber come round then extend through the kick. Perfect combo of Karate and Muay Thai. Remy Bonjaski is another good example of piecing together Dutch style roundhouse kicks off combos with the his hands. Peter Aerts too, massive kicks coming from his high chamber up, around, then out, BAM.

They're always going to be similar and you will see lots of crossover depending on the fighter and what's happening in the moment. Dutch style is thought of as Karate + Muay Thai, but it's really more like;

Karate + (Karate+Muay thai) + Muay Thai + Boxing

The original Dutch guys, Jan Plas and the others were from Kyokushin Karate, they went to Japan to train in the new kickboxing style with Kenji Kurosaki. Essentially Japanese Kyokushin went to Thailand and added that knowledge to their Karate to make early Kickboxing. Jan formed Mejiro Gym, added more western boxing, had the famous no pads seminar where give and take training was cemented and suddenly Dutch Kickboxing produced some of the best killers around in no time at all.
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Very nice post, but how are dutch low kicks mainly different from thai's?
 
http://muaythaipros.com/kickingboxing-vs-muay-thai-different/

The Dutch have a different take on the way low kicks are thrown, however, and often angle into the low kick more (this will be shown later in the article).

Compared to the Thai style of low kick, Dutch fighters tend to step very much more to the side dropping their head downward and more forward with their center of gravity lowered while kicking around the body, hitting with the side of the shin rather than on the center of the shin. This is downward chopping motion. You should see a difference between the Thai style and the Dutch style.

Why do the Dutch do this? Well, this allows you to do a leg kick to the front leg at a MUCH closer angle than if you through a typical Muay Thai style leg kick. This type of kick cuts at more an angle and is more powerful since you are driving your full body downward in the same motion as the kick.

This is a devastating low kick and since you can throw it MUCH closer (almost within clinch distance) than you can with a Thai low kick, it works well with a punch combos when you get in very close.
 
Luminouschrome1 said:
http://muaythaipros.com/kickingboxing-vs-muay-thai-different/

The Dutch have a different take on the way low kicks are thrown, however, and often angle into the low kick more (this will be shown later in the article).

Compared to the Thai style of low kick, Dutch fighters tend to step very much more to the side dropping their head downward and more forward with their center of gravity lowered while kicking around the body, hitting with the side of the shin rather than on the center of the shin. This is downward chopping motion. You should see a difference between the Thai style and the Dutch style.

Why do the Dutch do this? Well, this allows you to do a leg kick to the front leg at a MUCH closer angle than if you through a typical Muay Thai style leg kick. This type of kick cuts at more an angle and is more powerful since you are driving your full body downward in the same motion as the kick.

This is a devastating low kick and since you can throw it MUCH closer (almost within clinch distance) than you can with a Thai low kick, it works well with a punch combos when you get in very close.
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Nice, it's hard to see in fights personally, looks very close. It's not like Thais don't take a step low kicking
 
JustOnce said:
Nice, it's hard to see in fights personally, looks very close. It's not like Thais don't take a step low kicking
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TBH, I haven't seen one thing I prefer from the Thais when it comes to striking. Dutch Kickboxing is more banging.
 
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