c'mon. you're using fuckin mcgregor in his boxing debut against the best defensive boxer of his generation and possibly all time as a reference point for translating mma power to boxing.Again, there’s a massive difference between stopping an elite boxer with 10oz gloves and stopping an elite MMA fighter with MMA gloves.
There is no ‘make him more powerful’ in this. There is no way of me literally proving to you that one hits harder than the other, and I could just as easily allude to the fact that Fury’s excellent inside game would make him a force to be recognised with Ngannou in the clinch in MMA.
Because we can’t definitely prove it, we take what we know and extrapolate. What we know is that boxers have - on average - better punch resistance and significantly more power. What we have seen is MMA fighters go into boxing, and suddenly lose much of their power by MMA standards. We’ve seen Fury stop those elite level boxers with gloves not entirely dissimilar to those that resulted in McGregor’s power looking…..rather pitiful in all honesty. He would be considered up there as one of the hardest hitting featherweights of all time in MMA, but didn’t have the power to stop an old, ultra cautious fighter who he outweighed by about 25lbs, from simply putting his guard up and walking him down.
We go with the balance of evidence and that’s heavily in Fury’s favour. I can’t prove it to be the case, but I’m still failing to see an actual argument for Ngannou other than lack of proof, which is hardly an argument in itself.
It matters. But will matters more, and the Gypsy King's got lots of will.
And I think he hits harder than Francis.
c'mon. you're using fuckin mcgregor in his boxing debut against the best defensive boxer of his generation and possibly all time as a reference point for translating mma power to boxing.
that's your evidence. 1 fight with the best defensive boxer.
It would be just as stupid to point to jcc jr’s lack of power against an old mma fighter in boxing. Or Paulie in bkf to suggest boxers have no power. To generalize is just dumb. Ngannou trains to hurt people with his hands. He does it better than just about anyone who ever did it. But boxing is just magical and anyone who trains in it develops tremendous power. It’s absurd. Boxing isn’t just about who hits the hardest.Yes.
In all likelihood the hardest hitting featherweight in UFC history going into boxing and having a level of power that means the most safety first boxing champion of my lifetime can literally laugh at him and stalk him down, means there’s a massive power differential.
Again, it shouldn’t come as a surprise. It’s all boxers do and unsurprisingly they get damn good at it. Accuracy, timing and technique go hand in hand with power, and can absolutely get better with training.
To be honest, that.saying is pretty much bullshit. There's a lot of technique involved in throwing a hard punch. Sure, some people are more natural punchers than others, but a power puncher is as much born as a 100mph pitcherThere is a very old saying in boxing, punchers are born not made. Technique helps you to land punches not to punch hard. Foreman's technique was terrible and Wilder's is not that good either.
Do you think it's their technique that makes them able to throw a 100 mph fastball? Do you think it's something that can be taught? An average man can't throw a baseball faster than in the 70s no matter their technique or conditioning, next to no one can throw a 100 mph fastball and it is almost exclusively based on talent and being in proper condition. Controlling the location of the pitch is based on skill throwing hard is a gift.To be honest, that.saying is pretty much bullshit. There's a lot of technique involved in throwing a hard punch. Sure, some people are more natural punchers than others, but a power puncher is as much born as a 100mph pitcher
Do you think it's their technique that makes them able to throw a 100 mph fastball? Do you think it's something that can be taught? An average man can't throw a baseball faster than in the 70s no matter their technique or conditioning, next to no one can throw a 100 mph fastball and it is almost exclusively based on talent and being in proper condition. Controlling the location of the pitch is based on skill throwing hard is a gift.
How many trained fighters do you think could have hit harder than Wilder before his first day of training in boxing?
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Boxers hit significantly harder on average.
Boxers have better chins on average.
Hitting hard and having the ability to take punches is their bread and butter. It’s their raison d'être if you like.
Fury participates in that sport, and knocks out those better chinned men while wearing 10oz gloves.
Genuinely, I’m not even sure what the rational argument here is for Ngannou, other than that he hypothetically could.
Fury knocked out wilder twice. It doesn’t mean he hits harder than wilder. C’mon.
Why are people trying to change it to a who would win a fight debate? Ali knocked out foreman. He doesn’t hit harder than foreman.
we are talking about ngannou because he's actually knocked out good fighters at a rate and speed we've never seen in his sport. not because he broke some record in a lab.Actually we're arguing that the important number is who can deliver the most damage on target in a match rather than who can hit a non-defending stationary target harder.
In terms of actual power transmitted to a punch my bet would be on an Olympic level shotputter, just based on sports science (its the most powerful non-mechanical motion that's been measured in sports). Of course they're all freaky strong 300+ pounds (ie they don't need to worry about stamina at all so can work on pure power) and jump into it, so they'd never land the punch in the ring or cage and would gas out in far less than a minute if they fought, but if its just about power delivered against a non-defending stationary target I'd happily bet they beat Fury, Ngannou, Wilder and anyone else and probably by a considerable margin. For that matter, I suspect someone like Brian Shaw beats actual fighters too.
The important number for a fighter is how hard they can land on target in a fight.
Who has ngannou koed clean? according to boxing rules. putting them down for a 10 count? maybe 2-3 guys. in 4 oz gloves. most of them past prime. with little boxing skill.The bolded is correct, of course. But there are outliers. Ngannou is the biggest puncher in MMA history by far, while Fury is generally considered to be quite pillow fisted in boxing terms. Its not average vs average in that comparison.
Fury can KO people but its not really down to punching power, its him having the skills to land consistently and break people down over time. He dropped Wilder in I think the second, then didnt fully put him out until the 11th even though Wilder was practically out on his feet and wide open for a good portion of that time. Thats accumulative damage more than power.
Trying to think of who Fury has really clean KO'd and the only one coming to mind is Cunningham, who weighed less than Paulo Costa currently does.
we are talking about ngannou because he's actually knocked out good fighters at a rate and speed we've never seen in his sport. not because he broke some record in a lab.
and no, i wouldn't bet on a shot putter. i'd bet on the guys who actually know how to punch......
is this a serious post? i can't tell.....Who has ngannou koed clean? according to boxing rules. putting them down for a 10 count? maybe 2-3 guys. in 4 oz gloves. most of them past prime. with little boxing skill.
Who has ngannou koed clean? according to boxing rules. putting them down for a 10 count? maybe 2-3 guys. in 4 oz gloves. most of them past prime. with little boxing skill.
Who has ngannou koed clean? according to boxing rules. putting them down for a 10 count? maybe 2-3 guys. in 4 oz gloves. most of them past prime. with little boxing skill.
Who has ngannou koed clean? according to boxing rules. putting them down for a 10 count? maybe 2-3 guys. in 4 oz gloves. most of them past prime. with little boxing skill.
i believe fury. ngganou is like wilder, they load up so much in their power shots. anyone winging full body mass hail merrys on paper hits harder, but look at the body work and tight punches tyson was throwing against wilder. much more power and torque with far less effortLets go
Stipe, Rozenstruik, Overeem, Henrique. That's 4 in 13 UFC fights.Who has ngannou koed clean? according to boxing rules. putting them down for a 10 count? maybe 2-3 guys. in 4 oz gloves. most of them past prime. with little boxing skill.
So now we've got a champion who basically argues that Fury punches harder than Wilder.i believe fury. ngganou is like wilder, they load up so much in their power shots. anyone winging full body mass hail merrys on paper hits harder, but look at the body work and tight punches tyson was throwing against wilder. much more power and torque with far less effort
i guess one can say ngganou if you want to as he does load up with everything, but im going to go with the guy who gets max power with much less effort
Obligatory Ngonnou would kill Wilder in an MMA fight..