Why I believe Anderson Silva is not the goat

What's the point of threads like these?
 
JustOnce said:
1. He lost twice to Japanese journeyman fighters in his prime. If he wasn't, as some of his, if not many of his fans love to claim, then he must be the only fighter in history who hit the number 1 in the world but can claim to have lost due to not being in his prime yet. Not to mention, in a couple of years, he would go on to rank at the top of the middleweight division as well while going undefeated outside DQ loss to Okami.

2. He got caught in his first ever random drug testing of his career. Then blamed the dick pills. And no he didn't get his name cleared. He pissed hot again, and for that one, USADA talked about finding supplements contaminated from the same company that Anderson claimed to have bought a contaminated product from and then submitted OPEN sample from that said company to USADA, and then I believe they lifted his suspension or retroactively cleared his suspension or something along that line.

3. Anderson Silva mentioned before that once someone gets caught for steroids, they have been using for the long time. And no that steroids didn't have any clinical relevance from his recovery for his surgery, though his fans love to claim that, in spite of the fact the fighter himself it was from the dick pills.

4. Anderson Silva competed in the weakest division in the history of UFC. The middleweight division, back then. Now, it's the strongest. I pity Weidman for not having been born earlier to have competed in the era of Anderson Silva. For example, no one cared about Chael Sonnen for the majority of his career. No one was surprised Maia grapplehaped him under like a minute or two. But look what he was able to do.

5. Anderson Silva was a brave man enough to continue to call out the smaller fighter in GSP, while being friends with Jon Jones. He fought Daniel Cormier, and got paid handsomly. Daniel Cormier at LHW is not the same fighter at HW with a knock out power. On the other hand, Jon Jone would have elbowed his face in.

6. Anderson Silva himself, on Sherdog's article, years back, stated, from himself though his fans deny it, that he cuts from 230, to 205 then 185. Fans claim that that's how high he gets when he's out of training. But, true fighters like Fedor and Crocop probably doesn't get higher than 240 either when they aren't training, but they weren't scared of fighting bigger dudes. He came lighter later, but he was coming off a surgery/lay off, and USADA.

7. Anderson intentionally ducked the rightful challenger in Chris Weiman, and only decided to fight him when the later was coming off a lay off longer than a year long, but then got knocked the fudge out like a clown tumbling over a unicycle while being as disrespectful as it gets inside the cage.
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Well said.
 
JustOnce said:
1. He lost twice to Japanese journeyman fighters in his prime. If he wasn't, as some of his, if not many of his fans love to claim, then he must be the only fighter in history who hit the number 1 in the world but can claim to have lost due to not being in his prime yet. Not to mention, in a couple of years, he would go on to rank at the top of the middleweight division as well while going undefeated outside DQ loss to Okami.

2. He got caught in his first ever random drug testing of his career. Then blamed the dick pills. And no he didn't get his name cleared. He pissed hot again, and for that one, USADA talked about finding supplements contaminated from the same company that Anderson claimed to have bought a contaminated product from and then submitted OPEN sample from that said company to USADA, and then I believe they lifted his suspension or retroactively cleared his suspension or something along that line.

3. Anderson Silva mentioned before that once someone gets caught for steroids, they have been using for the long time. And no that steroids didn't have any clinical relevance from his recovery for his surgery, though his fans love to claim that, in spite of the fact the fighter himself it was from the dick pills.

4. Anderson Silva competed in the weakest division in the history of UFC. The middleweight division, back then. Now, it's the strongest. I pity Weidman for not having been born earlier to have competed in the era of Anderson Silva. For example, no one cared about Chael Sonnen for the majority of his career. No one was surprised Maia grapplehaped him under like a minute or two. But look what he was able to do.

5. Anderson Silva was a brave man enough to continue to call out the smaller fighter in GSP, while being friends with Jon Jones. He fought Daniel Cormier, and got paid handsomly. Daniel Cormier at LHW is not the same fighter at HW with a knock out power. On the other hand, Jon Jone would have elbowed his face in.

6. Anderson Silva himself, on Sherdog's article, years back, stated, from himself though his fans deny it, that he cuts from 230, to 205 then 185. Fans claim that that's how high he gets when he's out of training. But, true fighters like Fedor and Crocop probably doesn't get higher than 240 either when they aren't training, but they weren't scared of fighting bigger dudes. He came lighter later, but he was coming off a surgery/lay off, and USADA.

7. Anderson intentionally ducked the rightful challenger in Chris Weiman, and only decided to fight him when the later was coming off a lay off longer than a year long, but then got knocked the fudge out like a clown tumbling over a unicycle while being as disrespectful as it gets inside the cage.
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LOL
the desperate GSP fanboy trying to "get even" for a similar thread done by someone else about GSP..
Amazing how they don't realize that putting someone down does not make the other better.

One-sided argument will never reach consensus, and bias only helps people shut you out and not listen when you do have a proper argument...
 
Lol at this thread getting wastelanded. Truth hurts I guess
 
I agree with the majority of what you've said. Anderson made a career out of fighting guys much smaller than himself, and using reach advantage to cover for good, but certainly not great, grappling skills. He got KOd by the first fighter who had a reach advantage on him. But this isn't accurate:

JustOnce said:
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6. Anderson Silva himself, on Sherdog's article, years back, stated, from himself though his fans deny it, that he cuts from 230, to 205 then 185. Fans claim that that's how high he gets when he's out of training. But, true fighters like Fedor and Crocop probably doesn't get higher than 240 either when they aren't training, but they weren't scared of fighting bigger dudes. He came lighter later, but he was coming off a surgery/lay off, and USADA.
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Anderson talked about ballooning up to 230 between fights, much like Rampage went superheavyweight at 265+ when he was between fights.

But he never "cut" from 230.

He may have entered camp at 230, and started dieting 8 weeks out. But he'd talked about actually cutting water weight from 210 in other articles, and that he was right around 205 rehydrated. So yes, he was a huge MW, and he and Georges made a career out of fighting guys smaller than them. Conor and Khabib are just following that example.
 
definitely not the goat....but he is a legend of the sport
 
Ande
JustOnce said:
1. He lost twice to Japanese journeyman fighters in his prime. If he wasn't, as some of his, if not many of his fans love to claim, then he must be the only fighter in history who hit the number 1 in the world but can claim to have lost due to not being in his prime yet. Not to mention, in a couple of years, he would go on to rank at the top of the middleweight division as well while going undefeated outside DQ loss to Okami.

2. He got caught in his first ever random drug testing of his career. Then blamed the dick pills. And no he didn't get his name cleared. He pissed hot again, and for that one, USADA talked about finding supplements contaminated from the same company that Anderson claimed to have bought a contaminated product from and then submitted OPEN sample from that said company to USADA, and then I believe they lifted his suspension or retroactively cleared his suspension or something along that line.

3. Anderson Silva mentioned before that once someone gets caught for steroids, they have been using for the long time. And no that steroids didn't have any clinical relevance from his recovery for his surgery, though his fans love to claim that, in spite of the fact the fighter himself it was from the dick pills.

4. Anderson Silva competed in the weakest division in the history of UFC. The middleweight division, back then. Now, it's the strongest. I pity Weidman for not having been born earlier to have competed in the era of Anderson Silva. For example, no one cared about Chael Sonnen for the majority of his career. No one was surprised Maia grapplehaped him under like a minute or two. But look what he was able to do.

5. Anderson Silva was a brave man enough to continue to call out the smaller fighter in GSP, while being friends with Jon Jones. He fought Daniel Cormier, and got paid handsomly. Daniel Cormier at LHW is not the same fighter at HW with a knock out power. On the other hand, Jon Jone would have elbowed his face in.

6. Anderson Silva himself, on Sherdog's article, years back, stated, from himself though his fans deny it, that he cuts from 230, to 205 then 185. Fans claim that that's how high he gets when he's out of training. But, true fighters like Fedor and Crocop probably doesn't get higher than 240 either when they aren't training, but they weren't scared of fighting bigger dudes. He came lighter later, but he was coming off a surgery/lay off, and USADA.

7. Anderson intentionally ducked the rightful challenger in Chris Weiman, and only decided to fight him when the later was coming off a lay off longer than a year long, but then got knocked the fudge out like a clown tumbling over a unicycle while being as disrespectful as it gets inside the cage.
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Why?
for the same reason you don't understand the sport.

This is a hate thread....wasteland.

Anderson is the GOAT.
 
20falarVerdades said:
GSP was confirmed out of the GOAT discussion when he ducked Hendricks rematch

This would've been similar to Anderson Silva retiring right after the Chael Sonnen I fight (similar because Silva faced adversity, but Chael was finished whereas Hendricks cleared won). Not only didn't Silva retire, but he gave Chael his rematch - finishing him again. True GOATs take bold risks and are not scared to smear their "legacy"

Anderson > GSP, deal with it
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<PlusJuan>
This sums it all up.

GSP as the GOAT is a sick joke.
 
Anderson > GSP as confirmed by pro MMA fighters.


And it wasn’t close.
 
Threetrees said:
There is no GOAT
Many fighters are in the argument
Just pick your favorite
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Right? People were the best of there Era. GSP and Anderson were neck in neck around the same time and Fedor can be thrown in there too. Khabib isn't there yet IMO despite what people say. Personally I give it to Jones if you're not going to pretend that Jones beat great fighters likely taking shit and the fact that Anderson almost certainly used his entire career if he was willing to use while being strictly tested.

I choose Jones because his skills are unmatched. Anderson was well rounded but his ground game wasn't the best and got controlled by Chael and other fighters although that was when he was out of his prime. Jones was very green and destroyed Bader, Bonner, technically Hamil, and Brandon Vera. Dude beat Shogun after being a pro for only 3 years when Shogun was in or close to his prime and has never really lost. If Jones never got popped I don't know how anyone can make an argument that he's not the best of all time.
 
All people do in these GOAT arguments is pick their favorite out of the candidates and base their argument in favor of their guy. If you're an Anderson fan he's the GOAT, a Fedor fan he's the GOAT and so and so on.
 
GOAT threads are cancer to this site. Every fucking time I come on here this is all i see.
 
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