International BREXIT: Leave/Remain Referendum on June 23 Will Change Europe, No Matter the Outcome.

[Rex Kwon Do]

Have fun with your Turkish immigration.

 

[in the]

lmao where did you get that from

 

[LC Shepard]

Congrants Brits, hope you get what you wished for.

On another note, I am not entirely sure why this was a 50%+1 referendum. Should be a 60% requirement to leave. Making such a big choice with such a small margin is counterproductive. What if next year the Join EU is polling at 52% are you going to join then?

 

[MayhemMonkey]

What's retarded is your failure to distinguish the level of violence and oppression between cultures and religion. Islamic societies, even the relatively moderate ones, are in general much more oppressive and intolerant than Western cultures. Saying Christianity today is just as bad as modern Salafist Islamic ideology because of a past practices that mostly ended by 19th Century is intellectually dishonest. Wrongdoings of the past does not reflect on the realities of today.

I'm an atheist, if you must know.

you guys are trying hard to rationalise your bigoted views, I dunno why? you arent ever going to get me to agree. islam is an issue, Christianity is an issue. as is every other religion around the world. whats your alternative? should we outlaw religion? or just islam? either way you are a fascist if you think we should do either

 

[MicroBrew]

Meh, don't think I need to quibble over that. When a guy says "Arab countries" when he means "Muslim countries," I don't think we have to get caught up in trying to separate ethnicity from language, which is tricky since language groups tend to conquer and make extinct neighboring language groups and subsume their speakers into the victor's speech community.

I'm not wrong in calling most Pakistanis IE, btw. Per Wikipedia: "The Punjabis (Punjabi: پنجابی, ਪੰਜਾਬੀ; Hindi: पंजाबी), also spelt Panjabis, are an ethnic group of Indo-Aryan peoples"

Indo-Aryan peoples definition also per Wikipedia: "Indo-Aryan peoples are a diverse Indo-European ethnolinguistic group"

So like I said, do I really have to get into the murky waters of teasing out ethno- from -linguistic in an ethnolinguistic group when the guy I'm talking with thinks Muslim is synonymous with Arab?

They are not I-E, they are I-E speaking. They are racially mixed with a lot of indegenous ancestry, even if they don't admit to it, but history and population genetics say otherwise. When Wiki says Indo-Aryan people, it means Indo-Aryan speaking.

Sure a lot of people do conflate Arab with Muslim and vice versa. I do understand where the Scottish poster is coming from when he think "3rd world savages" is just a racial code word. While I don't agree it is in this case, It does get used a lot in far right spheres .

Anyways the reason I even ventured into the linugistic tangent is because I like reading about ancient history .

 

[Coolidge]

you guys are trying hard to rationalise your bigoted views, I dunno why? you arent ever going to get me to agree. islam is an issue, Christianity is an issue. as is every other religion around the world. whats your alternative? should we outlaw religion? or just islam? either way you are a fascist if you think we should do either

That's a cop-out. No, every religion in the world is not a problem. I have no issues with Zoroastrians, for example. They are not blowing up airports.

 

[HeirApparent]

Why are Americans happy?
Because you're a hateful and bigoted bunch.
This is something unrelated to you all but you Nazis are celebrating.
You don't need to care about the UK.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Nobody even usually remembers that Scotland exists, which, I concede, makes them good at setting these kinds of traps.

well when we have massive oil reserves, and without them England will struggle..... you better believe they know we exist. But again, you know nothing about this island, so your views arent surprising

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

I meant only the one's celebrating,we know why they're doing it.
I'm the exact opposite,I don't judge an entire population for actions or views of a minority.
I'm not judging the leave voters as racists(not one bit),so that should tell you.We know why you Americans,who would be celebrating,are doing it.
Nice try though.

Even if I grant that you were only talking about the pro-Brexit Americans, you're still a bigot. You stereotyped every single person that supports Britons removing themselves from the EU as bigots. That's absurd and a sign of your bigotry. Any time you say a group of people not united by a hateful ideology are hateful, you're engaging in the exact thing you pretend to oppose.

So yeah, you're a bigot.

 

[Orgasmo]

you guys are trying hard to rationalise your bigoted views, I dunno why? you arent ever going to get me to agree. islam is an issue, Christianity is an issue. as is every other religion around the world. whats your alternative? should we outlaw religion? or just islam? either way you are a fascist if you think we should do either

Unfortunately, you have proven to be beyond salvage. Name one Islamic society that are considered tolerant by Western standards, where homosexuals or religious minorities are not persecuted. Pretending that problems with Christianity are as pressing as ones faced by Islam is stupidity at its finest. Funny thing is it is the Islamic society that are the most active in attempting to ban other religions, and yet you would not admit their inferiority in societal development.

 

[lifelessheap]

This is one of the reasons why Brexit happened. You can't be crybabies and cry racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia blindly without backing up those assertions.

So you are 'uneducated' if you don't want your children living under the boot of Sharia law?


Tell me more ...........

 

[MayhemMonkey]

That's a cop-out. No, every religion in the world is not a problem. I have no issues with Zoroastrians, for example. They are not blowing up airports.

the catholic church was raping children for years and covered it up..... what do you consider a worse crime? you act like all terrorism is perpetrated by muslims

I dont want to even be defending muslims, Im an athiest.... I abhor all religion. but to just single out one is stupid. they are all flawed

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

lmao where did you get that from

I honestly thought I got it from you. Lol. I saw it on Sherdog once and it instantly skyrocketed to the top of my favorite pics that don't involve hot nekkid women.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

Unfortunately, you have proven to be beyond salvage.

 

[Zankou]

well when we have massive oil reserves, and without them England will struggle..... you better believe they know we exist. But again, you know nothing about this island, so your views arent surprising

American fracking will keep your oil prices capped until the last drop is sucked out by the scots. Enjoy working to become the Venezuela of the North Sea.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Congratulations UK, you did it! Who wants to be in an economic union with a bunch of losers like the Greeks?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

When Wiki says Indo-Aryan people, it means Indo-Aryan speaking.
.

And that's exactly what I meant. I didn't think it was necessary to dive into the details since it's clear our Scottish friend probably isn't well-read on the subject. What I said sufficed in order to make my point that the people of Pakistan, Central Asia, and Persia are nothing like Arabs.

 

[Gluteus Swag]

the catholic church was raping children for years and covered it up..... what do you consider a worse crime? you act like all terrorism is perpetrated by muslims

I dont want to even be defending muslims, Im an athiest.... I abhor all religion. but to just single out one is stupid. they are all flawed

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf


NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

BBC (2007): 36% of younger Muslims in the UK believe a Muslim should be killed for converting to another religion (19% of those over 55 agree).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6309983.stm

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFil...ims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tudents-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much...new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/

Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

1 in 5 young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onour-violence-acceptable-survey-reveals.html

Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site Download.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf

Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/section-5-political-opinions-and-social-values/

Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08...rowth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is notprotected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/20...t-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10/poll-nearly-half-of-us-muslims-believe.html

 

[MayhemMonkey]

What's retarded is your failure to distinguish the level of violence and oppression between cultures and religion. Islamic societies, even the relatively moderate ones, are in general much more oppressive and intolerant than Western cultures. Saying Christianity today is just as bad as modern Salafist Islamic ideology because of a past practices that mostly ended by 19th Century is intellectually dishonest. Wrongdoings of the past does not reflect on the realities of today.

I'm an atheist, if you must know.


It appears you haven't learn your lesson, nor are you going to. Demonizing people do not win you friends or support, and that's what happened tonight. The side I support lost in the Brexit vote, but I don't act like a total brat screaming racist every two sentences about people on the Leave camp. I'm not afraid of competition from the other side, but I am afraid of idiotic teammates.

Im not calling everyone racist, Im calling the racists racist..... theres a difference. Dont get offended, freedom of speach gives you the right to be as racist as you want..... also gives me the right to call you on it

 

[Coolidge]

the catholic church was raping children for years and covered it up..... what do you consider a worse crime? you act like all terrorism is perpetrated by muslims

I dont want to even be defending muslims, Im an athiest.... I abhor all religion. but to just single out one is stupid. they are all flawed

You ignored what I typed just to say what you wanted. I didn't defend the Catholic church. I argued against your generalization that all religions are problematic. Not true. Many are quite passive and low-key.

Are you asking me if covering up molestation is worse than daily terrorist attacks?