International Turkey's Lonely Road to Isolation: The World Looks on as Erdogan Jockeys for a Third Decade in Power

The only reason why the world even tolerate Turkey and their bullshit is because they're lucky enough to be in a strategic geographic location.

Take away the Turkish Straits and nobody will give a fuck about them.


It has been that way for Centuries.

When the Smelly Ottoman ruined Constantinople the Spanish and Portogujse Kingdoms have to find another route to Asia for trade because they want avoid harrasment by the Turks.
 
And Turkey wonders why they have zero natural allies other than small turkmen states and minorities.

Greeks, Slavs, Arabs, Armenians and Kurds are all natural enemies of the Turks, and usually because of genocide or brutal occupation.


Can you imagine what would happen if the US government detained Erdogan during his visit?

The Turks would retaliate by detaining all staff of the US embassy in Turkey for sure and even US citizrns but I am curious how the rest of the world would react.

The USA could also do the same but will have more leverage because they got Erdogan.

What are they gonna do what Turkey would do? Cry? Ask help from Potin? China?
 
Was Cenk Uygur there helping beat on a few Kurds?
 
Senator John McCain Wants Turkish Ambassador Expelled Back to His ‘Third World Country’
by Matthew Balan | May 18th, 2017



Senator John McCain issued a blunt condemnation on Thursday regarding the attack on protesters in Washington, D.C. by Turkish security personnel.

“We should throw their ambassador the hell out of the United States of America,” McCain said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “This is the United States of America. This isn’t Turkey; this isn’t a third-world country; and this kind of thing cannot go unresponded to diplomatically.”

Host Joe Scarborough pointed out that “these are thugs linked directly to Erdogan,” and wondered, “What should the White House do at this point in condemning it, and what can you all do in the Senate?”

The Arizona Republican repeated his call to “throw the ambassador out,” and underlined that “it should have repercussions, including identifying these people and bringing charges against them. After all, they violated American laws.”

On Wednesday, the State Department issued its own statement of “concern” about the assault on the demonstrators. The police chief in Washington, D.C. emphasized that his department would “pursue everything that’s within our legal power to hold the folks that were responsible for their actions.” However, he also revealed that “there could be a diplomatic immunity issue.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-mcc...dor-expelled-back-to-his-third-world-country/
 
I demand liquidation of Turkish security goons.

 
I demand liquidation of Turkish security goons.


Pathetic if Trump lets this geriatric Islamic piece of shit come into our country and wreak havoc on American citizens
 
Senator John McCain Wants Turkish Ambassador Expelled Back to His ‘Third World Country’
by Matthew Balan | May 18th, 2017



Senator John McCain issued a blunt condemnation on Thursday regarding the attack on protesters in Washington, D.C. by Turkish security personnel.

“We should throw their ambassador the hell out of the United States of America,” McCain said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe. “This is the United States of America. This isn’t Turkey; this isn’t a third-world country; and this kind of thing cannot go unresponded to diplomatically.”

Host Joe Scarborough pointed out that “these are thugs linked directly to Erdogan,” and wondered, “What should the White House do at this point in condemning it, and what can you all do in the Senate?”

The Arizona Republican repeated his call to “throw the ambassador out,” and underlined that “it should have repercussions, including identifying these people and bringing charges against them. After all, they violated American laws.”

On Wednesday, the State Department issued its own statement of “concern” about the assault on the demonstrators. The police chief in Washington, D.C. emphasized that his department would “pursue everything that’s within our legal power to hold the folks that were responsible for their actions.” However, he also revealed that “there could be a diplomatic immunity issue.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-mcc...dor-expelled-back-to-his-third-world-country/

I don't agree with McCain all the time, but he's spot on here.
 
Been awhile since I whole heartedly agreed with McCain. Fcuk yeah !
 
Just ask Turkey to remove immunity for the goons involved, and if Turkey says no then send weapons to the Kurds.
 
Just ask Turkey to remove immunity for the goons involved, and if Turkey says no then send weapons to the Kurds.

Interesting point is that private security details don't always get diplomatic immunity, because they're not actually diplomats.

There's also multiple levels of immunity granted to the technical/administrative staff that travels with foreign nationals, depends on their job description. Would be interesting to see which box these goons were put in on the forms.

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Erdogan's Guards Might Not Have Immunity to Beat Protesters
'You don’t get immunity just because you say, ‘I’m with the big guy,' a former State Department adviser says.
By Steven Nelson | May 17, 2017

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Photos show a protester critical of Turkish President Recep Erdogan repeatedly kicked in Washington, D.C., on May 16.

Police in the nation’s capital say diplomatic immunity won’t keep them from investigating a “brutal attack” on “peaceful protesters” Tuesday by men believed to be bodyguards for visiting Turkish President Recep Erdogan.

Four international law experts, three of them former legal advisers at the State Department, tell U.S. News that if police identify the assailants, they may be able to make criminal charges stick, even if the men are on the Turkish government payroll.

Footage from the melee shows men mostly in suits, some reportedly armed, bypassing police officers separating pro- and anti-Erdogan activists. The men physically attack a group of protesters in Sheridan Circle near the Turkish Embassy, repeatedly kicking some.

A police officer and 11 other people were injured, authorities say, including one critically. The protest group included Armenian and Kurdish activists opposed to Erdogan, two of whom were arrested in the immediate aftermath. One was charged with aggravated assault and the other with assaulting an officer.

Peter Newsham, chief of the Metropolitan Police Department in the nation’s capital, said at a press conference Wednesday that some of the men being armed made controlling the situation difficult, perhaps explaining why there were not more immediate arrests.

“We witnessed what appeared to be a brutal attack on peaceful protesters,” Newsham said, echoing condemnation from politicians and the State Department a day after Erdogan’s visit to the White House.

Newsham said police had high-quality footage of the incident and already had a good idea of who some of the alleged attackers were. He said the police department was in contact with the State Department about the case.

“We are going to pursue everything that’s within our legal power to hold the folks that were responsible accountable for their actions,” Newsham said.

“There could be a diplomatic immunity issue, but that won’t prevent us from doing what we need to do,” he said. “That’s not something that we tolerate here in Washington, D.C.”

Experts say diplomatic immunity isn’t a permission slip for Erdogan’s security detail – accused last year of "roughing up" protesters and journalists outside a Brookings Institution event in Washington – to assault activists, and that some of the men may enjoy no legal protection.

Stanford University law lecturer Allen Weiner says if he still was a State Department legal adviser he would recommend D.C. police pursue charges against the assailants if they were locally contracted security guards or men traveling with Erdogan for the visit.

Immunity provided to visiting heads of state and some members of their entourage “probably does not reach the security detail” traveling with a foreign leader, Weiner says.

Though visiting leaders and some members of their group are protected by this customary immunity, workers at actual embassies and consulates are protected through the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which provides absolute immunity to ambassadors and senior diplomats. Accredited technical and administrative staff are afforded more limited immunity for official acts.

“You just have to figure out which box they are in,” Weiner says about permanent embassy or consular staff, which can be done by reviewing State Department records to determine how such workers are classified.

U.S. Marines stationed at The Hague in the Netherlands, Weiner says, do have absolute immunity. And if the Turkish guards even have limited immunity, it’s a “tricky question” about whether the attack on protesters would be deemed part of their diplomatic role.

If any of the men enjoy diplomatic immunity, Weiner says, officials "could ask the Turkish government” to waive the immunity so the men could be prosecuted – though there’s no guarantee Turkey would agree, as the U.S. itself is reluctant to do the same.

Georgetown University law professor David Stewart, a former assistant legal adviser for diplomatic law and litigation in the State Department, also could imagine charges against Erdogan guards under certain circumstances.

“You don’t get immunity just because you claim it. You don’t get immunity just because you say, ‘I’m with the big guy.’ You don’t get immunity just because you say, ‘My passport says I’m important, I have a diplomatic passport,'” he says.

“You get immunity if you are accepted by the government in a certain status that entitles you to that immunity," he says, "and that’s typically a question of law – for example, under the Vienna Convention or our notion of international law.”

Stewart says “this isn’t just a question of abstract principles,” but rather a highly fact-specific question of law.

“The government is now trying to figure out, I’m sure, 'What are the factual circumstances here? Who gets what immunity?'” he says. “I can only imagine they’ve been doing it all day.”

Stewart agrees with Weiner that embassy staff likely are immune from prosecution if they have diplomatic accreditation with the State Department. But he says “it is possible” members of Erdogan’s traveling entourage would have customary immunity if their names were provided in advance to the State Department.

“Of course, you can imagine charges being filed,” Stewart says. “If these guys busted through the police line and beat up protesters, that’s a criminal offense. That’s an assault.”

“I would go so far as to say I would expect charges to be brought,” he adds. “Charges can be brought. The prosecutor would say, ‘We’re bringing these charges.’ The answer would be these guys are immune or they are not immune.”

George Washington University law professor Sean Murphy, another former State Department legal adviser, stresses in an email that "you don't get [diplomatic immunity] just because you are a foreign government official."

Murphy says "persons based at the Turkish Embassy who have been accredited have certain privileges and immunities under the [Vienna Convention], but persons traveling as part of a foreign government delegation do not, unless there was some special agreement struck between the U.S. and the foreign government in advance (which I doubt was done)."

Ruth Wedgwood, a professor of international law and diplomacy at Johns Hopkins University, says she could imagine a situation in which a diplomatically accredited guard stationed at the embassy could be prosecuted.

"If you have absolute immunity, your body gets to be immune until it's put on an airplane," she says.

But if you have immunity only for official acts, Wedgwood adds, “You can’t say, ‘I feel like busting your nose, that’s an official act, I'm doing it!’"

"If you're going in there because you don't like them Kurds and you're going in to smash heads and teach them a lesson, that's not an official act," she says.

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...ht-not-have-immunity-to-beat-protesters-in-us
 
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Finding out whether the security guards have diplomatic immunity or not should not be that hard for the US.

The receiving nation either approves diplomatic status or not for them.

If these guys don't have diplomatic visas and are not on official orders, then they do not have diplomatic immunity.

The host country decides ahead of time who will enter on diplomatic status and who will not.

An embassy cannot decided after the fact if someone has immunity.

An embassy (based upon direction for their home country) can revoke immunity, but it cannot invoke diplomatic immunity after the person arrives to their host country.

If these guys were already in the US working in the private sector as security contractors and not on accredited diplomatic status, they have zero immunity.
 
It was an embarrassment for Trump to invite Erdogan to the White House in the first place. He won't do shit. He's a bitch who admires dictators.
 
It was an embarrassment for Trump to invite Erdogan to the White House in the first place..

Are you for this "international allies" thing or not?

If you are, why would it be an embarrassment for a Democratically-elected President of a NATO member country to invite a Democratically-elected Dictator of an important NATO ally - one that's currently hosting one of their most strategic airbases, complete with a nuclear weapon stockpile - over for a visit?

Make up your mind, plebs. Your flip-flops are getting real tiring. Go learn about the concept of "Strategic Allies", and save yourselves from the real self-embarrassment.

If U.S Presidents can host their Arabs "allies", they can sure as hell host their Turkish "allies".
 
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