now that the dust has setted...thoughts on Weidman vs Silva 1 and 2

grimballer said:
It’s pretty obvious both wins were flukes

1st fight Silva was clearly toying with weidman. He was coming off a 1st round ko win vs a lhw who’s not been finished up until that point (2 tko loses were due to doctor stoppages). He clearly went into weidman fight overconfident n felt unstoppable.

After giving weidman 1st round (Silva had the tendency to lose the 1st to “feel out” the opponent) Silva noticed weidman was visibly gassed n that’s went he went into his clowning mode. He didn’t respect the inexperience n gassed weidman n paid the price for it.

In the 2nd fight Silva lost the 1st round after getting dropped. He still finished that round strong by beating up weidman off his back n busting him up.

In the 2nd round weidman was once again visibly tried n probably didn’t recover from all the blows in the 1st round

Silva once again felt weidman was seconds away from being finished n that’s when he started throwing those telegraphed kicks. Weidman pretty much became a punching bag in that round n all he did was block.

The ending was a freak injury
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Excellent post.
This is exactly what happened.

It's hard to take the opposite viewpoint seriously.
 
revoltub said:
when weidman beat anderson, we saw what at the time we thought was a changing of the guard.

both fights are very polarizing.

the first one, you might say weidman tricked silva into slipping into his left, or you might say it was just bad timing on andersons part.

in the second fight, there was a freak accident, or a perfectly times check.

what do u think
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Still believe to this day that Weidman having a stellar record with no losses had that " I can't lose" mentality. It goes aing way. He also had very good coaching and didn't put up and get mezmorized by Anderson's antics. The Spider pulled those same stunts in many a fight, difference was fighters froze and didn't take advantage , Chris did.

Just like Anderson, after having such a long win streak , Chris felt invincible. Once they lose, that's gone and if a fighter doesn't get it back right away the losses pile up. It's a passing of the torch as it were.

Other fighters who suffered that same fate were Ronda, Holly, Ben Henderson, Rashad, Johny Hendricks and many more. Once they get beat.... It's a quick decline for some who can't deal with the loss.

Should be interesting to see Cruz's next fight. After being dominant for so long this one will be crucial if he ever wants a serious comeback
 
Same as it's always been. Anderson got rekt twice in a row.
 
Now that the dust has settled...turns out silva fans are still as deluded as ever. Silva lost twice and was losing every round of both fights iirc. No respectable fan or fight analyst see it any other way.
Probably the best fighter silva had fought since Hendo.
 
SIlva played with his food and got caught. Second fight was a total nightmare scenario tho. Silva didnt look great up until that point but still. Just an awful stylistic matchup for an aging Silva.

What's even more interesting is how the chris ended up. Holding on for dear life at this point. It was starting to look like chris was the next dominant champ and now he's lucky to be in the UFC. The hot potato the title has done just makes Silvas reign seem more impressive tbh. Dont think we'll see anything like that again.
 
The Chris beat Anderson out of his "prime". The only thing Anderson had success with in the first fight was leg kicks and we saw how that turned out in the second fight.
 
Weidman was a bad match up for him. He wrecked in both fights and would a third time if it ever happened.
 
Anyone that talks about the fluke Injury as if Silva was doing well in the rematch
Didn't watch it fully
Was there live
The whole fight felt like a matter of time, and Chris rolled his eyes with a little clinch punch
 
Silva always struggled with wrestlers. Chris has decent stand up, which made him a tough fight for Anderson.

Silvas age didn't do him any favors.
 
Oooxente said:
Two legit losses IMHO.
I was ready to make Weidman the MW GOAT.

What happened later is what gave me
headaches.
Anderson got caught and The Chris efficiency dropped dramatically as USADA updated their game.
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I see nothing different in Weidman, post USADA. He fights the exact same and maybe lost a bit of mass. That's it.

He fought guys who matched up better against him than Silva did.

Luke, Moussasi and Romero are far better grapplers than Anderson Silva.
 
revoltub said:
when weidman beat anderson, we saw what at the time we thought was a changing of the guard.

both fights are very polarizing.

the first one, you might say weidman tricked silva into slipping into his left, or you might say it was just bad timing on andersons part.

in the second fight, there was a freak accident, or a perfectly times check.

what do u think
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weidman had almost given up in the first. no attemped takedowns, he was fooled into playing silva's game. weidman had him in trouble early but silva aint easy to ko. then he clowned. game over. fortunate win.
In the second weidman was winning but silva was ok. then the break. fortunate win.
if the fluke in the first didnt happen silva would have won imo. then the second would have been totally different, or may not have happened.
 
Weidman far superior as proved in their fights. Anderson knew what he was getting into after trying to duck Chris
 
Dude went like 7 years without a loss as champ... the Weidman losses were flukes.... the Diaz fight was a win....he KOd Bisping...took the large LHW Champ the distance and beat Brunson... Silva still has some gas.
 
One guy got old and had to lose eventually, the end.

Weidman couldn’t hold prime Silva’s jockstrap.
 
Silva was overconfident and completely underestimated Chris in the first fight. He had no respect for Chris' hands or his power. The way he was fighting that night I feel as though a few other middleweights could have KO'd too. I mean, do you see him pulling that kind of shit against Vitor or Dan? No of course not. He knows their power and he respects it. Even though Anderson was slowing down and showing his age, it was still a legit win for Chris.

The second fight was a freak accident. You can speculate all day long about how it could have ended, but we can never know for sure. Could Weidman have come out on top again? Sure, anything is possible. Silva could have also caught him with nasty and put his lights out.

TL;DR - 1st win is legit, 2nd one was an accident.
 
revoltub said:
when weidman beat anderson, we saw what at the time we thought was a changing of the guard.

both fights are very polarizing.

the first one, you might say weidman tricked silva into slipping into his left, or you might say it was just bad timing on andersons part.

in the second fight, there was a freak accident, or a perfectly times check.

what do u think
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bro move on
 
Is weidman the best jabber he ever faced. Just occurred to me. Never liked to leed and took advantage of guys that panicked and overcommitted. Belfort was a good puncher and great on the offensive and swarming but not a very cultured jab. Bisping had a good one and troubled silva with it.
 
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