International Catalonia's Rebellion: 170,000 Spaniards in Madrid March Against Amnesty Plan for Catalan Secessionists

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Catalonia has historically been an autonomous region. Own culture, language, ethnicity DIFFERENT from Spain.

This isn't just another place/region.

Catalan culture is still distinctly Iberian and genetic tests show their isn't much difference between them and any other generic Spaniards. Their language is the most unique thing about them and even that bares a heavy resemblance to peninsular Spanish but at the same time having a little French in your language does not make a people a unique "race"

Spain has over a dozen distinct regions all with their own variation of of Spanish and differences in culture. That doesn't in turn make them different peoples.

So no chalk this up to Goonerview not knowing shit about another country as usual.

In other words, 65.3% did not say they wanted Catalonia to become independent. That's perfectly in Line with the referendum results. And people this thread have the incredible audacity to call unionists traitors. Seems like opposite day to me.

It's obvious at this point most of the foreign pro separatists have just watched Braveheart one too many times and have a collection of Che Guevara T shirts in there closets. Its outright comical how oblivious they are to the economical consequences as well at the history of Spain. They just get excited and want to wave their revolution boners all over. If any of these pro separatists are also scoffing at the notion of Cali-Exit whilst supporting Catalan independence i'm going to bray even louder.

 

[Goonerview]

Catalan culture is still distinctly Iberian and genetic tests show their isn't much difference between them and any other generic Spaniards. Their language is the most unique thing about them and even that bares a heavy resemblance to peninsular Spanish but at the same time having a little French in your language does not make a people a unique "race"

Spain has over a dozen distinct regions all with their own variation of of Spanish and differences in culture. That doesn't in turn make them different peoples.

So no chalk this up to Goonerview not knowing shit about another country as usual.



It's obvious at this point most of the foreign pro separatists have just watched Braveheart one too many times and have a collection of Che Guevara T shirts in there closets. Its outright comical how oblivious they are to the economical consequences as well at the history of Spain. They just get excited and want to wave their revolution boners all over. If any of these pro separatists are also scoffing at the notion of Cali-Exit whilst supporting Catalan independence i'm going to bray even louder.

F**k that, You are just shilling for the EU and globalists. You are anti-democracy.

You just eat up whatever the liberal media feed you.

 

[Goonerview]

Catalan culture is still distinctly Iberian and genetic tests show their isn't much difference between them and any other generic Spaniards. Their language is the most unique thing about them and even that bares a heavy resemblance to peninsular Spanish but at the same time having a little French in your language does not make a people a unique "race"

Spain has over a dozen distinct regions all with their own variation of of Spanish and differences in culture. That doesn't in turn make them different peoples.

So no chalk this up to Goonerview not knowing shit about another country as usual.



It's obvious at this point most of the foreign pro separatists have just watched Braveheart one too many times and have a collection of Che Guevara T shirts in there closets. Its outright comical how oblivious they are to the economical consequences as well at the history of Spain. They just get excited and want to wave their revolution boners all over. If any of these pro separatists are also scoffing at the notion of Cali-Exit whilst supporting Catalan independence i'm going to bray even louder.

Catalan ethnicity is different from Spanish. Irish is different from English and Scottish. They are different.

 

[Ruprecht]

I agree that there's no question that the separatists decided to take the illegal route and went ahead to break the law anyway, after repeated warnings by the Supreme Court, is because they're looking for sympathy, especially from the international community.

The Catalan regional government insists that they wanted "dialogue", but they contradicted that very claim by chosing not to introduce and pursue a Constitutional Amendment to change the status quo (like say, voluntarily giving up regional autonomy in exchange for a referendum), which is the legal and proper approach that would surely lead to plenty of dialogues they supposely seeks, in the national Parliament as well as with the average José in the streets, no matter how it turns out.

That right there tells me this is all just intentional shit-stirring from a declining movement desparate to change the tide, as the poll numbers shows that the separatist demographic have been shrinking for years now.

They clearly did not expect their illegal activities to back-fire so spectacularly and decisively. Almost everything went as planned, from the police crackdown on law-breakers to the dismissal of the Catalan regional government who doesn't give a shit about the Constitution, but their biggest mistake was not anticipating that the quiet majority in Catalonia actually decided to stand up against the loud minority who does not represent their view, and basically everyone in the international community stands firmly by Madrid and the Unionists in Catlonia.

Play stupid games, win stupid prize.

Hmm. I'm not sure about the poll numbers showing a clear decline for years, as it's up and down. Depends on whose polling and the exact question. Since 2000 favourable polling for independence certainly seems to have peaked in 2013 though.
Unfortunately I don't think, "Play stupid games, win stupid prize." is really an answer to delineating group identities in an increasingly integrated world. Whether those stupid games are the Brexit, voting for Trump, joining ISIS or electing a pro-independence Catalonian government and holding an "illegal" referendum.

 

[Goonerview]

Hmm. I'm not sure about the poll numbers showing a clear decline for years, as it's up and down. Depends on whose polling and the exact question. Since 2000 favourable polling for independence certainly seems to have peaked in 2013 though.
Unfortunately I don't think, "Play stupid games, win stupid prize." is really an answer to delineating group identities in an increasingly integrated world. Whether those stupid games are the Brexit, voting for Trump, joining ISIS or electing a pro-independence Catalonian government and holding an "illegal" referendum.

lol @ an increasingly integrated world .... bullshit.

Look at London, all of the Sihks live TOGETHER, all of the Muslims live TOGETHER in their own communities.

London is a balkanised city. You can force people to live in the same area and they will STILL live in their own communities.

Look at the Jews, no homeland for 2 millenia and they STILL preserved their culture.

People of the same tribe like to live within their own tribe. This is natural and not a bad thing.

We don't want a global government and the global cultural blob of the EU. The people at the grassroots don't want this.

 

[Goonerview]

George Washington wasn't saying "oh no, but what about the economy?? ... oh no, maybe we should stay together ... it might be illegal to declare independence ..."

Fuck THAT, he TOOK independence!!

Eamon De Valera TOOK independence.

 

[Ruprecht]

lol @ an increasingly integrated world .... bullshit.

Look at London, all of the Sihks live TOGETHER, all of the Muslims live TOGETHER in their own communities.

London is a balkanised city. You can force people to live in the same area and they will live in their own communities.

Look at the Jews, no homeland for 2 millenia and they STILL preserved their culture.

We don't want a global government and the global cultural blob of the EU. The people at the grassroots don't want this.

It's just a fact that the world is more integrated. That we are even having this discussion is just one shallow example of how much so.
Technology, specifically the improvements in communication and transportation, have brought it about.
That was as true with the printing press and nations, or ships and empires, as it is with the internet and global integration of information and economies.

 

[Goonerview]

Catolonia's leader is good, but he needs more bite. Catalonia really needs a LEADER ... A Washington, Guevara, Trump type guy.

 

[Goonerview]

It's just a fact that the world is more integrated. That we are even having this discussion is just one shallow example of how much so.
Technology, specifically the improvements in communication and transportation, have brought it about.
That was as true with the printing press and nations, or ships and empires, as it is with the internet and global integration of information and economies.

You sound like I did when I was an 18 year student with idealistic views of the world.

People are tribal at their CORE and don't naturally mix with other tribes. FORCING people against their will to integrate isn't freedom. Just because you want to create some "world government" ... ugh ... the idea of it makes me sick.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Catalan ethnicity is different from Spanish. Irish is different from English and Scottish. They are different.

No its not Catalans are descended from the same ethnic groups that settled in the rest of Spain and they share the dominant R1b haplogroup that The average Spaniard does as well. Genes are identical and culture is similar ergo they are not their own seperate race.

Your comparison isn't accurate.

F**k that, You are just shilling for the EU and globalists. You are anti-democracy.

You just eat up whatever the liberal media feed you.

I'm not a liberal but nice try.

Anti Democracy isn't favoring a minority who want to break up economic structure and cause a recession in the process

 

[Ruprecht]

You sound like I did when I was an 18 year student with idealistic views of the world.

People are tribal at their CORE and don't naturally mix with other tribes. FORCING people against their will to integrate isn't freedom. Just because you want to create some "world government" ... ugh ... the idea of it makes me sick.

It's not an ideology, it's a technological reality. Good luck with that.

 

[Goonerview]

It's not an ideology, it's a technological reality. Good luck with that.

It's not. Technology may make the world smaller, but it doesn't change HUMAN NATURE.

Humans are TRIBAL by nature and tend to stick to their own group and have in-group preference.

Only western white people have weak ingroup preference due to liberal, marxist brainwashing. Every other tribe on the planet has STRONG in-group preference.

 

[JDragon]

F**k that, You are just shilling for the EU and globalists. You are anti-democracy.

You, on the other hand, are pro-democracy by advocating for independence against international law, Spanish law and, as has been demonstrated in this thread, against the majority of Catalans.

No further question, your Honor.

 

[Ruprecht]

It's not. Technology may make the world smaller, but it doesn't change HUMAN NATURE.

Humans are TRIBAL by nature and tend to stick to their own group and have in-group preference.

Only western white people have weak ingroup preference due to liberal, marxist brainwashing. Every other tribe on the planet has STRONG in-group preference.

How do you think tribes formed nations?

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Its pretty amusing he brought up Marxists too when Catalonia historically had a wealthy of them and anarchists etc,etc and some of their governing choices and ideas still reflect that.

 

[Orgasmo]

Money talks. People will do business with people who will make them money.

You can't do business being a comany registered in a state nobody recognizes. Already companies are rushing to get out of Catalonia. Money talks, just not the way you want it to.

 

[Goonerview]

You, on the other hand, are pro-democracy by advocating for independence against international law, Spanish law and, as has been demonstrated in this thread, against the majority of Catalans.

No further question, your Honor.

Bollocks. Don't believe the media.

Spanish Law cares about maintaining power for Spain ... and has no inherent interest in democracy. lol.

You are a statist. You don't care about democracy.

 

[Goonerview]

You can't do business being a comany registered in a state nobody recognizes. Already companies are rushing to get out of Catalonia. Money talks, just not the way you want it to.

Hitler would have envied the power the EU holds over Europe.

The EU will force all countries of Europe to shun Catalonia against their individual interests, but in the interests of the EU superstate.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Bollocks. Don't believe the media.

Why not you believe the media that proscribes your political rhetoric. Or does it only conveniently apply when its something you don't wish to agree with? How odd.

Spanish Law cares about maintaining power for Spain ... and has no inherent interest in democracy. lol.

Of course at the end of the day the most important thing is keeping a stable and powerful country. As we discussed earlier Catatonias independence would be disastrous for itself, ,Spain,Europe and It would probably spark a recession that hit globally.

It's not worth giving a minority their way when it would cause a shit storm. The benefit and harm of the largely scope of things is always more important.

In before

1. thats bollocks
2. No thats not true whilst providing no evidence to the contrary
3. Marxists!
4. Feminists

 

[Orgasmo]

Hitler would have envied the power the EU holds over Europe.

The EU will force all countries of Europe to shun Catalonia against their individual interests, but in the interests of the EU superstate.

No, countries in the EU have a collective interest to shut Catalonia out. There are over a dozen secessionist movements across Europe, and allowing Catalonia to break from Spain will encourage those.