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I didn't mention the draws because your argument was about being undefeated...Toney was undefeated and was looked as the best boxer on the planet next to Roy. I don't know if score one round for Toney in this fight.
My argument was not about being undefeated, I had not even used those words when you listed Toney's record without the draws. All I had said was that Hearns was #1 p4p and 32-0.
Re Hopkins: He started late in boxing, but no man on earth is in the shape of life in his late 30s ... his mid 00's version would lose to Roy just like his mid 90s version.
Who would win between mid 90s Hopkins vs. mid 00s Hopkins? I'd go with the younger Hopkins if I had to bet.
I think late 90's to early 2000's Hopkins was the most complete version that we saw. Like I said, there are big Hopkins fans on here that can speak on it better than I can.