Crime The case of Cherish Perrywinkle - Can we stop releasing sex offenders yet?

[Hearse Lightning]

Here is my deal. If 1 out of 10 can be reformed, we can't just hang them, or lock them up and throw away the key.

If that is ok, then why not consider people guilty until proven innocent?

My opinion would be that if I were a parent and somebody molested my kid, I don't care if you're the 1 out of 10 who could be reformed. You gave up any chance of being a "reformed" member of society the second you assaulted my child who may never fully recover.

If we took a stance like that maybe it would be a stronger deterrant.

 

[Culombo]

what was this lady thinking .. let her '8' yr old daughter walk off with a strange man who she just met .. she completely let her guard down .. she served her daughter up on a platter for this guy .. he must've been thinking he hit the jackpot as they were walking out .. that lady should never be allowed to have any kids in her custody ever again .. if there's ever a definitive way of losing custody, this is it .. should be final .. she should be relegated to supervised visits forever ..

that poor little girl .. the shit she had to experience before her death .. they found her in a puddle under a tree with debris on her .. thrown away like trash after being repeatedly raping for hrs and then strangled .. an 8 yr old girl .. makes me sick .. and sad .. and I'm not a father yet .. although I have nieces so I relate that way .. the dark side of humanity goes deep, real deep .. so much scum out there .. these demons are walking all around unbeknownst to us .. and some of them are people you'd never suspect .. they're doctors, teachers, lawyers .. look up john rex powell

 

[BearGrounds]

Child molestation existing is one of the major reasons I want to see this entire planet and all life on it wrecked by an asteroid. Dead serious. I can't even put into words the amount of rage and disgust I feel that such things are a reality.

This story, and those like it, make me wish I could go full Doomsday.

Utterly sickening....

 

[Brazilian HKD]

There are such things as monsters.

 

[VivaRevolution]

My opinion would be that if I were a parent and somebody molested my kid, I don't care if you're the 1 out of 10 who could be reformed. You gave up any chance of being a "reformed" member of society the second you assaulted my child who may never fully recover.

If we took a stance like that maybe it would be a stronger deterrant.

And life in prison, and the much higher chance of being raped or beat to death, you don't think is deterrent enough?

I mean I get that if you have a culture that embraces pedo's I see how that can increase its activity (looking at you Afghanistan), but I think we have long hit the point of diminishing returns for harsh punishments in the US.

I mean maybe, if you want to have a police state, and executions for drugs like these dictatorships do, you could reduce some of it, but does that really sound like a good idea?

 

[oldshadow]

He raped and murder a child there is no way he should not be meeting old sparky and as soon as posible.

 

[VivaRevolution]

If you're a farmer, and you have one sheep that has evolved to kill the other sheep in your flock... you'd cull it.

Is it really that crazy to say we should cull child predators? If you have tendencies to hurt children - you should get the needle/firing squad/chair.

Ok, but where do you draw the line?

Child predators are fucked up, but are they really any worse than a corporation that makes cluster bombs that are being dropped on children?

I would argue that these large scale murder of children for profit, are even worse.

So can we start hanging military contractors next?

Let's try it this way.....how much of your opinion on this is driven by emotion, and do you think that we should base decisions on emotion.

Man I call for the banksters to be hanged all the time, but that is hyperbole. When called out, I admit as much.

Giving the state the right to execute people is a problem, as much as a solution.

 

[Hearse Lightning]

And life in prison, and the much higher chance of being raped or beat to death, you don't think is deterrent enough?

I mean I get that if you have a culture that embraces pedo's I see how that can increase its activity (looking at you Afghanistan), but I think we have long hit the point of diminishing returns for harsh punishments in the US.

I mean maybe, if you want to have a police state, and executions for drugs like these dictatorships do, you could reduce some of it, but does that really sound like a good idea?

What do you consider a reformed pedofile? One that has seems to have changed his ways and is allowed registered and back into soceity or somebody that seems to have changed his ways and be kept in prison for life? Using the term reformed made me think you meant that some may as well have a life after prison.

 

[VivaRevolution]

What do you consider a reformed pedofile? One that has seems to have changed his ways and is allowed registered and back into soceity or somebody that seems to have changed his ways and be kept in prison for life? Using the term reformed made me think you meant that some may as well have a life after prison.

So you can get life in prison already, but we give judges discretion in sentencing, as should be.

Here is what I would argue for. That we release those that show evidence of being reformed after serving their sentence, and don't release those that show no evidence of reform. That every case of pedophilia isn't equal, and every pedophile isn't a lost cause.

I mean, I grew up in the same culture you guys did. Pedophilia is not ok, but does it give you any pause at all, to know their are whole societies that either exist now, or have in the past, where this shit was ok?

I'm not advocating for that, but the people who invented democracy seemed to think it was ok. Something is wrong in a picture where in one society people are put to death for an action, that in another society is perfectly acceptable.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Can you rephrase that so it's understandable?

Lol. Yeah, that was kind of a disaster of sentence structure.

People are wierd about sex. Physical abuse without sex, can be just as damaging as abuse with sex.

 

[Byron Carter]

Ok, but where do you draw the line?

Child predators are fucked up, but are they really any worse than a corporation that makes cluster bombs that are being dropped on children?

I would argue that these large scale murder of children for profit, are even worse.

So can we start hanging military contractors next?

Let's try it this way.....how much of your opinion on this is driven by emotion, and do you think that we should base decisions on emotion.

Man I call for the banksters to be hanged all the time, but that is hyperbole. When called out, I admit as much.

Giving the state the right to execute people is a problem, as much as a solution.

So, in your view, bankers and the military are equivalent to child rapists and murderers?

 

[Teppodama]

I mean, I grew up in the same culture you guys did. Pedophilia is not ok, but does it give you any pause at all, to know their are whole societies that either exist now, or have in the past, where this shit was ok?

I'm not advocating for that, but the people who invented democracy seemed to think it was ok. Something is wrong in a picture where in one society people are put to death for an action, that in another society is perfectly acceptable.

None what so ever. Regardless of what their original society of origin may deem to be socially acceptable, our society deems it a heinous crime. When it comes to our societies children and their emotional and physical safety, I don't give a damn what is considered normal in theirs.

 

[VivaRevolution]

So, in your view, bankers and the military are equivalent to child rapists and murderers?

Military contractors who lobby to sell cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia to drop on dirt farmers and their children in yemen, for profit are worse.

Wrap your head around the idea of what 10,000 child corpses looks like stacked on top of each other, and tell me I am wrong.

 

[VivaRevolution]

None what so ever. Regardless of what their original society of origin may deem to be socially acceptable, our society deems it a heinous crime. When it comes to our societies children and their emotional and physical safety, I don't give a damn what is considered normal in theirs.

Most people used to view gays as subhuman.

I will give you that their is no victim in gay sex, but it would seem to me that in greece, their probably weren't alot of victims in the sex with children either, because it was socially acceptable. In other words, the damage done by a sex act, is psycological, and perception is key in psychology.

I am uncomfortable continuing this line of thought though. I know it must appear I am defending child sex, which I'm not meaning to.

 

[Billy no mates]

There are such things as monsters.

Indeed it's something that's in the news here right now a guy called Jon Venables who was one of two boys that killed a toddler in a notorious case a few years ago but has been released for a while but has twice been imprisoned for possesion of child porn this time he had some sort of paedo manual too , he seems to be a human time bomb one can only hope some member of the general prison population ensures he doesn't get out again .

 

[Byron Carter]

Most people used to view gays as subhuman.

I will give you that their is no victim in gay sex, but it would seem to me that in greece, their probably weren't alot of victims in the sex with children either, because it was socially acceptable. In other words, the damage done by a sex act, is psycological, and perception is key in psychology.

I am uncomfortable continuing this line of thought though. I know it must appear I am defending child sex, which I'm not meaning to.

 

[Teppodama]

Most people used to view gays as subhuman.

I will give you that their is no victim in gay sex, but it would seem to me that in greece, their probably weren't alot of victims in the sex with children either, because it was socially acceptable. In other words, the damage done by a sex act, is psycological, and perception is key in psychology.

I am uncomfortable continuing this line of thought though. I know it must appear I am defending child sex, which I'm not meaning to.

No, I understand what your point is. However, my point is that whether or not something is a crime or considered taboo is dependent on the society in which the action is perpetrated regardless of your own personal feelings on the matter or the legal or societal dictates of whatever society you come from. Unless you are shielded by extraordinary circumstances like Diplomatic immunity or the dispensation of a ruler or governing body you are still subject to the laws of the society where the crime is committed or subject to censure if they are against the accepted societal norms, either locally or nationally.

By visiting, immigrating or working in a foreign society you understand, or at the very least should understand, that you place yourself under those strictures to a degree. Now, there is always some expectation of the recognition that one may not be familiar with all of the legal and social aspects of a foreign society but there is a world of difference between most average social or minor law peccadillos and faux pas and something on the order of child molestation.

Besides, one does not immigrate either legally or illegally, completely ignorant of American social conventions or expectations. i don't care how obscure the culture you come from. In fact, the logical and likely more common reaction would be to be more cautious against such unless one simply didn't care how it was perceived, one wasn't worried about being caught or one knowingly is engaged in a criminal activity and actively working to not get caught.

Regardless, unless the perpetrator suffered from an obvious and proven mental defect that made them completely incapable of understanding the consequence I have no issue with a swift and summary execution. In the case that they do, I would seek some means of insuring they have no or very limited and supervised access to minors.

Every society must and should have hard lines regarding what that society finds acceptable and what it simply will not countenance without fundamentally undermining it's core values. If we quibble about an issue like child molestation or abuse than we are morally bankrupt and deserve to fail as a society and a nation. They are our future and our most precious national resource and worthy of such a hard and uncompromising line.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

So you can get life in prison already, but we give judges discretion in sentencing, as should be.

Here is what I would argue for. That we release those that show evidence of being reformed after serving their sentence, and don't release those that show no evidence of reform. That every case of pedophilia isn't equal, and every pedophile isn't a lost cause.

I mean, I grew up in the same culture you guys did. Pedophilia is not ok, but does it give you any pause at all, to know their are whole societies that either exist now, or have in the past, where this shit was ok?

I'm not advocating for that, but the people who invented democracy seemed to think it was ok. Something is wrong in a picture where in one society people are put to death for an action, that in another society is perfectly acceptable.

Please explain how you can tell if a pedophile has reformed while in prison. It's not like he has access to children while incarcerated.

 

[Bald1]

Sharp axe, thick stump, strong arm.

No need to waste time sharpening that axe.

 

[Teppodama]

@VivaRevolution Is pedophilia mental disorder or biological programing? How do you view it at its most basic?