Mr.Putin points out US's and War Room's ridiculous hypocrisy

[gatchaman]

Haha, that would be a nightmare. Results wouldn't be certified until the following mid-term.

It's good that you're mulling it over, though.

Surely, my idea can unite Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul supporters.

I'm all ears (or eyes) if you would like to mull it over now and offer your suggestion.

 

[waiguoren]

Americans should have an interest in preserving the sanctity of our internal democracy that supersedes foreign influence. They should never be willing to throw our elections under the bus for a foreign power.

The problem I have with this line of thinking is that the DNC is not an integral part of our elections. It's a private club that participates in our elections. Ditto for the RNC.

If Russia had changed vote totals, I'd agree with you.

 

[7437]

Soooo...... we blow up building in other countries. That makes 9/11 totally fine and should happen many more times? Weve nuked cities before. Should the USA just accept having nuclear weapons used on a couple cities?

Fuck you guys are stupid.

 

[Bamboozled]

I could see citizens of countries not of the US siding with Putin, but I don't get why US citizens do...

I wouldn't say I side with Putin, but the series of events leads me highly skeptical that Putin specifically had an interest in the US electing Donald Trump of all fucking people into office. You wouldn't meddle and use a man whos known to change his mind depending on where the wind blows to be a vessel for corruption. You'd do something that takes time. Changing and bringing down an entire country isn't a 4 year process. It isn't even an 8 year process. You also wouldn't elect a guy trying to free up trade at every possible point or someone who is trying to make your country independently wealthy. You'd elect someone trying to restrict trade to cripple you economically as a country. Not talking about the citizens either. I'm talking just money flow. I am saying Trump is successfully doing any of these things either, it just goes against any semblance of strategy.

As for why others side with Putin, he has some pretty typical conservative ideas. He is very intelligent, fairly charismatic, and says thing you'd want to hear from a political leader. He doesn't bullshit too much.

Plus, for those of us who know our history, Russia isn't exactly always as accessible as it is today. For all these globalists who want the world to get along we need to fucking start somewhere.

 

[FIMN]

I wouldn't say I side with Putin, but the series of events leads me highly skeptical that Putin specifically had an interest in the US electing Donald Trump of all fucking people into office. You wouldn't meddle and use a man whos known to change his mind depending on where the wind blows to be a vessel for corruption. You'd do something that takes time. Changing and bringing down an entire country isn't a 4 year process. It isn't even an 8 year process. You also wouldn't elect a guy trying to free up trade at every possible point or someone who is trying to make your country independently wealthy. You'd elect someone trying to restrict trade to cripple you economically as a country. Not talking about the citizens either. I'm talking just money flow. I am saying Trump is successfully doing any of these things either, it just goes against any semblance of strategy.

Think how much damage the election of Trump has done to American morale, institutions and credibility on the world stage in 18 months.

America is a rapidly declining democracy fighting internally while seemingly deferrential to a hostile foreign power. You have a radical and corrupt conman at the highest seat of power, using the office to enrich himself and his associates.

The rot started with the creation of Fox News and the attempt to make the right wing candidate unimpeachable. You're seeing the effects now.

Unless you are part of the political class (you almost certainly aren't) and you are american Trump supporter, history will be a brutal judge of your character.

 

[Bamboozled]

Think how much damage the election of Trump has done to American morale, institutions and credibility on the world stage in 18 months.

America is a rapidly declining democracy fighting internally while seemingly deferrential to a hostile foreign power. You have a radical and corrupt conman at the highest seat of power, using the office to enrich himself and his associates.

The rot started with the creation of Fox News and the attempt to make the right wing candidate unimpeachable. You're seeing the effects now.

Unless you are part of the political class (you almost certainly aren't) and you are american Trump supporter, history will be a brutal judge of your character.

So many assumptions on your behalf.

I don't see the loss of morale, I see a bunch of idiots moving from a democratic platform to a socialist/communist because their side lost. Institutions are fine, they're only perceived as being in poor shape because Dems lost everything. Our credibility is the same. We haven't been declining and you need to indentify this hostile foreign power. Even Obama said Russia wasn't a problem and that cold war superstition needed to die. Magically they're a juggernaut needing to be dealt with once he's done with office and Trump moves in? That's laughable.

The "rot" is the side that is OPPOSING socialist and communism. Now, you can say Fox News is a spinner, a propaganda machine, but that's no different than CNN or MSNBC. It's all shit where they are using their platform to create conflict and sensationalize things to try and generate ratings. The "rot" in your description is just bullshit. It's one sided, and it's illogical. You can't point out a symptom and say that symptom only effects a specific portion.

You're assuming my character and my stand upon a post on Sherdog. More short-sighted nonsense.

 

[Factory]

edit

 

[tonni]

Soviets never change.

 

[Hard To Tell]

Excuse my interjection, but I think you are avoiding Sketch's question: How are you guys being harmed?

Imagine you have to make the case before the United Nations that Russia is harming America. I would like to see your case.

The funniest/worst part is this narrative now being pushed that if you don't blindly believe everything the intelligence agencies tell you then you are guilty of treason. By applying the 'liberal' lefts new criteria, anyone back in 2002 who questioned the 'weapons of mass destruction' line would have been thrown in jail for treason.

 

[FIMN]

So many assumptions on your behalf.

I don't see the loss of morale, I see a bunch of idiots moving from a democratic platform to a socialist/communist because their side lost. Institutions are fine, they're only perceived as being in poor shape because Dems lost everything. Our credibility is the same. We haven't been declining and you need to indentify this hostile foreign power. Even Obama said Russia wasn't a problem and that cold war superstition needed to die. Magically they're a juggernaut needing to be dealt with once he's done with office and Trump moves in? That's laughable.

The "rot" is the side that is OPPOSING socialist and communism. Now, you can say Fox News is a spinner, a propaganda machine, but that's no different than CNN or MSNBC. It's all shit where they are using their platform to create conflict and sensationalize things to try and generate ratings. The "rot" in your description is just bullshit. It's one sided, and it's illogical. You can't point out a symptom and say that symptom only effects a specific portion.

You're assuming my character and my stand upon a post on Sherdog. More short-sighted nonsense.

I think you're caught up in the cult of personality that is DT. From an outsiders perspective as someone who has lived in the US and follows history, politics and current affairs you guys are in trouble.

I'd love to be wrong but it's like talking to someone who is mentally ill - no sense in arguing really. All the warning signs are there. Just understand that some people supported Nixon despite the overwhelming evidence of lies and corruption - thats where you are now.

 

[phoenixikki]

I broke it down when the original indictment dropped.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/b...estigation-v-13.3712727/page-9#post-138625551

So basically Facebook ads and some failed gatherings

 

[Bamboozled]

I think you're caught up in the cult of personality that is DT. From an outsiders perspective as someone who has lived in the US and follows history, politics and current affairs you guys are in trouble.

I'd love to be wrong but it's like talking to someone who is mentally ill - no sense in arguing really. All the warning signs are there. Just understand that some people supported Nixon despite the overwhelming evidence of lies and corruption - thats where you are now.

More wrongful assumptions. You're pretty good at this game.

 

[phoenixikki]

You people are fucking stupid. How many times has this been posted.

Even a Mod told you to stop asking since the information has been given countless times on this website.

This is why you don’t appease morons who ask idiotic questions, like, “if obama wasn’t born in Kenya he should prove it”

You don’t answer that question and feed the trolls.

It's illegal for you to ask questions.
Oh and it's also illegal to read Wikileaks.
And by the way CNN is the supreme source of truth in this country.
Fake news don't exist.
Drink your cool-aid, eat at McDonald's (Supersize it) take your medicine and watch Star Wars.
Now you are a good citizen.

 

[JJSBUR]

The United States dropped an atomic bomb on another country. Therefore, the United States doesn't have the right to disapprove of other countries dropping atomic bombs on it. They should say, "well, let's not be hypocrites," grab their ankles, and let that other country bomb with impunity. We also invaded sovereign countries, so we should allow countries to invade us. And these are the same morons who claim that they're patriots and have no problem being hypocritical in just about any other way and relying on the default of "if the US can do it, it's okay because no one will step up to us" when posters like myself point out what a piece of shit we are on the international stage.


Anyways, it's hilarious that moron conservatives are now using the US's foreign election meddling, which has been carried out primarily by GOP administrations and opposed regularly by the far left, to downplay other countries meddling in our elections to elect GOP leaders.

It's almost as if right-wingers have no principle or shame.

WW2 was total war and also needs to be evaluated by the era.

The USA also rebuilt Japan. MacArthur told the occupying soldiers to treat the Japanese with respect. You do know there was a time when many conquering armies would destroy a population after the war was over. The USA used to rebuild defeated enemies.

What kind of tinted lenses do you see the world?

 

[Melas Chasma]

Shouldn't we let NK and Iran get nuclear weapons? I mean we have them and have used them. So it's only fair.

Right?

From the objective moral standpoint, yes? No need for sarcasm.

 

[FIMN]

More wrongful assumptions. You're pretty good at this game.

What game? Just an outsiders opinion.

 

[Trotsky]

WW2 was total war and also needs to be evaluated by the era.

The USA also rebuilt Japan. MacArthur told the occupying soldiers to treat the Japanese with respect. You do know there was a time when many conquering armies would destroy a population after the war was over. The USA used to rebuild defeated enemies.

What the fuck is your point? My post wasn't an indictment of US wartime actions. It was a set of analogies to point out how stupid Putin/Republican posters' position is.

What kind of tinted lenses do you see the world?

Lenses that don't work backward from a conclusion, as is clearly the case for right-wingers on this topic, and most topics these days: impulsively taking the expedient or easily understood position and then reasoning backwards.

 

[Pessimystic]

He hates Russia, while his 'allies' prop them up through cold hard cash.

He says his country has caused "Great sins" That had "Profound impacts" yet refuses to speak about which ones.

What "great sins" are he referring to?

 

[KnightTemplar]

I wouldn't be surprised if Putin posts in WR from time to time

In Soviet Russia, War Room posts YOU!

 

[TheGreatA]

Soooo...... we blow up building in other countries. That makes 9/11 totally fine and should happen many more times? Weve nuked cities before. Should the USA just accept having nuclear weapons used on a couple cities?

Fuck you guys are stupid.

If America was still nuking other people, then yes, I'd say that it's perfectly morally acceptable for them to be nuked, as well. If you're going to be a piece of shit bully, then you better expect others to fire back.

What people are trying to say is that if you showed even half the interest in America's own mis-doings, maybe people would be more convinced of your morally grand-standing outrage.

The only reason people are outraged by this particular "hack", is because of politics, nothing more. They didn't give a crap when America's military and secret services suffered massive leaks of information which put people's life at risk. In fact, a lot of the people outraged now, enjoyed it back then, because that too, served their political agendas at the time. Wikileaks were heroes, until they no longer served the left-wing narrative. Then they became Russian trolls and far-right agents.

It wasn't long ago when the left were celebrating Obama for pardoning "miss Manning". But now you're calling for Putin's head, even if you know fully well that with a Democrat president in charge, with Republicans having gotten the shit end of the stick, you wouldn't give a shit about this, and would instead be preaching about how America needs to "move forward" from petty Cold War squabbles.