Trump eases Ethanol standards.

[SBJJ]

Damn. Big Oil and Lib posters on the same side

Trump is truly bringing people together

 

[SONNEN]

Ethanol is not renewable when coming from corn, because of the massive amounts of non-renewables that are used in farming..

Care to explain this one?

 

[44nutman]

Lol at quoting a website that for 25$ I can officially become a "concerned scientist". Quit reading activist nonsense, youre probably the one who believed in the solyndra embarrassment; ethanol doesn't come from democrat tears, I promise.

Biofuels and ethonal are very effective; (ethanol contains oxygen which makes it burn quicker and cleane) if these countries had access to our massive and efficient farming they wouldn't be messing around with a windmill.

So Corn is the most effective biofuel?

 

[SONNEN]

Food stamps keep starving people from dying in the streets. I appreciate not having to drive past starving kids on the street when I'm going to Best Buy to purchase shit I don't need. Pretty impressive.

Farmers sell a metric ton of corn for under 150$ pretty damn efficient; say they paid workers not to work to drive up prices, does that benefit the food stamp class?

 

[44nutman]

Damn. Big Oil and Lib posters on the same side

Trump is truly bringing people together

Righties now supporting socialism. Trump is the Great Uniter.

 

[second sight]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/08/climate/trump-ethanol-farmers-midterm-election.html
Great now all my small engine tools I have will be fucked up and we get more pollution.
So much winning.
I am tired of these socialist programs for farmers. I thought we were a capitalist country, but it seems that all of Trump's policies are aimed at his voters. Why not have programs that help all Americans.
My tax dollars has to support an industry that the Presidents policies have hurt. It would be easier if Trump just gave Farmers a couple grand and all they have to do is vote Republican and the beauty of this bribery is the rest of America pays for it.
Trump has been letting his inner Bernie Bros loose lately.

You’re full of shit

I absolutely hate ethanol, a summer ban doesn’t help or hurt that

I would be happy with a permanent ban, maybe one day

 

[Rod1]

Care to explain this one?

Fertilizers and diesel mainly.

Groundwater, soil and pesticides secondarily.

 

[44nutman]

You’re full of shit

I absolutely hate ethanol, a summer ban doesn’t help or hurt that

I would be happy with a permanent ban, maybe one day

How am I full of shit?

 

[SONNEN]

So Corn is the most effective biofuel?

Some wastes can be a pretty good biofuel, sugarcane is pretty good, but I'd take the word of Henry Ford over a rent a scientist on the internet.

 

[SONNEN]

Fertilizers and diesel mainly.

Groundwater, soil and pesticides secondarily.

You don't buy the argument that diesel is renewable as well?

 

[Happy Man]

Should all small family businesses get handouts or are farms special?

Actually, farms are special. SinceWW2 all nations try to make sure they are self sustaining in being able to feed themselves without imports.

It's viewed as an aspect of national security. It's also why nations always slap tariffs on other nations agricultural products and subsidize their own Agro biz.


Could you imagine the nightmare of most agriculture run by some mega corporation. Like a mansanto or something. They danger of price fixing and purposely messing with harvest yields to mess with price.

 

[xcvbn]

Farmers sell a metric ton of corn for under 150$ pretty damn efficient; say they paid workers not to work to drive up prices, does that benefit the food stamp class?

??????????????

 

[44nutman]

Some wastes can be a pretty good biofuel, sugarcane is pretty good, but I'd take the word of Henry Ford over a rent a scientist on the internet.

Then why do we push for the Corn Ethanol? I stated earlier in this thread there are other grasses that are way better than corn as a biofuel.
You and I both know why we use inferior corn as a bio fuel. Got to Keep Old ass career politician Grassley in office.

 

[second sight]

How am I full of shit?

The fake rant in the op, l have the same complaints about small engines. If we have to use it summer months would be better than winter months. (Most Engines go longer in between use in the winter)

Helping farmers until this trade shit works out is not a bad thing.

Canada and Mexico have been improved, China is in the works

 

[xcvbn]

Actually, farms are special. SinceWW2 all nations try to make sure they are self sustaining in being able to feed themselves without imports.

It's viewed as an aspect of national security. It's also why nations always slap tariffs on other nations agricultural products and subsidize their own Agro biz.


Could you imagine the nightmare of most agriculture run by some mega corporation. Like a mansanto or something. They danger of price fixing and purposely messing with harvest yields to mess with price.

If that's a matter of national security, dead people flooding the streets should be too so maybe food stamps and cash aid isn't a bad idea.

 

[second sight]

In another argument you’d be bitching about too much fossil fuel use

 

[Happy Man]

If that's a matter of national security, dead people flooding the streets should be too so maybe food stamps and cash aid isn't a bad idea.

Give money and free food to people that generate nothing? That's a tough sell.

 

[xcvbn]

Canada and Mexico have been improved, China is in the works

In what ways? Last I checked, NAFTA hasn't been repealed as promised.

 

[HomerThompson]

In another argument you’d be bitching about too much fossil fuel use

Those positions aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[xcvbn]

Give money and free food to people that generate nothing? That's a tough sell.

Those farms can easily be replaced with less wasteful corporate farms, or even state-owned farms.

Poor people can either be taken care of or let go to waste. I'd rather not have to sell my car because it can't drive over dead poor people.