Theory: Dana wants to keep Izzy in the LHW division because he knows Bellator is winning

[Kyler Ruxin]

thats hard to say re izzy moving up. he had a title fight with pretty boy costa who he raped on the same card that jan beat reyes.

so ofcourse he couldnt move up before that since the fight was scheduled.

and he could easily do a hendo and just come in at 207 but drinking a shit load of water before the weigh ins to and and extra pound.

from 2019: “So I probably have another 3 guys. The Juice monkey(Paulo Costa), I like Cannonier, and Romero if he is still around. 3 or 4 at middleweights then I am moving up. I fought four times in one year. So I am gonna keep that same schedule, get those guys out of the way and then move up. “

this is before the Costa fight was scheduled. And he talked about wanting to fight 2 more fights at 185 and then move up.

 

[Kyler Ruxin]

Yeah there could be something in that, but it's not like he wasn't fully invested in the Costa fight which was massively hyped in it's own right, now there's nothing in LHW post potential belt win remotely as marketable and hype hype as Costa was or Jones/HW Belt would be(Maybe Khamzat by then who knows what his trajectory is), and i'm not saying there isn't challenges at LHW, just no Mega Fights...
He also said he wanted to clean out the MW division so he'd have gone against his word one way or another regardless..(I'd argue he did the more honourable thing and fought all the contenders)

Depends what happens with Jones whether no one cares or not, if Jones goes and gets smashed by Francis or Stipe then Jones vs Izzy becomes possible again.
I'm sure he will need more time, like Jones has needed too, but he could also sit out for a while and see what happens whilst he decides what the best thing to do is, Champ Champ stars get this kind of freedom to decide actions for the most profitable/casual fan favourite fight.

yea there's just tons of if's. I'm just doubting that Jones ever moves back down to LHW, and I'm doubting that Israel ever moves up to HW. So I just don't think it's gonna happen.

 

[dildos]

LHW bellator champ,Fedor's new protege.

Ah I see. So this was the guy that finished Bader for the title..

couldda just said that from the start.

 

[dildos]

from 2019: “So I probably have another 3 guys. The Juice monkey(Paulo Costa), I like Cannonier, and Romero if he is still around. 3 or 4 at middleweights then I am moving up. I fought four times in one year. So I am gonna keep that same schedule, get those guys out of the way and then move up. “

this is before the Costa fight was scheduled. And he talked about wanting to fight 2 more fights at 185 and then move up.

Thanks for that buds.



I don’t remember everything every fighter says at all times.

 

[Jose Beehive]

yea there's just tons of if's. I'm just doubting that Jones ever moves back down to LHW, and I'm doubting that Israel ever moves up to HW. So I just don't think it's gonna happen.

Thats fair, I can accept doubt, it's a long way from "never".

 

[HHJ]

Ah I see. So this was the guy that finished Bader for the title..

couldda just said that from the start.

NemkovGOAT

 

[Kyler Ruxin]

Thanks for that buds.



I don’t remember everything every fighter says at all times.

filthy casual

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Of course it does.

No because there's very few active champ champs. Name other active double champs currently fighting in the UFC. The rest are retired.

Jones never lost his belt with a loss. What other active fighters are double champs? Read what I posted in a different reply to a different comment, I explained the most likely scenario. It's very easy actually if you don't think so simple.

The fight will be promoted as champ champ vs champ champ and to unify the LHW belt that Jones never lost. It's very simple if you don't over think it with, "but he doesn't have the LHW belt durr durr".

 

[Jose Beehive]

No because there's very few active champ champs. Jones never lost his belt with a loss. What other active fighters are double champs? Read what I posted in a different reply, it's very easy actually if you don't think so simple.

Nah you're just wrong man.. There's a reason Conor was considered the first ever Champ Champ
Here's multiple articles that mention Champ Champ, notice who is and who is not included.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/5-ufc-legends-could-ve-joined-champ-champ-list
https://mmatorch.com/2019/06/10/ranking-every-champ-champ-victory/
https://projects.newsday.com/gdpr/
https://talksport.com/sport/mma/656821/conor-mcgregor-retires-notorious-ufc-history-champ-champ/

champ champ
A Champ Champ is an individual who has held multiple championships in a sports league at the same time.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=champ champ

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Jones is getting pretty big, not sure if he's ever planning on going to 205 again. And Izzy is never going to HW. Doubt this fight ever happens.

He'll drop down for the fight. By that time it'll be too big of a fight not to do. Unless he forces Izzy to move up even more so he has even more of an advantage. Izzy vs Jones is going to happen one way or another. Izzy seems to fight the people he sets his sights on and he's working his way to fight Jones. He only moved up once Jones did. Before that he had no plans for moving up and he wanted to take his time. Once Jones made the move it made him react and followed suit. That shows he doesn't want to lose a chance at fighting Jones in the future. So even if Jones doesn't want to drop to LHW I can see Izzy chasing him down for a HW fight.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Nah you're just wrong man.. There's a reason Conor was considered the first ever Champ Champ
Here's multiple articles that mention Champ Champ, notice who is and who is not included.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/5-ufc-legends-could-ve-joined-champ-champ-list
https://mmatorch.com/2019/06/10/ranking-every-champ-champ-victory/
https://projects.newsday.com/gdpr/
https://talksport.com/sport/mma/656821/conor-mcgregor-retires-notorious-ufc-history-champ-champ/

champ champ
A Champ Champ is an individual who has held multiple championships in a sports league at the same time.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=champ champ

He was the first ever to hold the belts simultaneously. But he isn't the first champ champ/double champs. If Adesanya wins the LHW he will be champ champ simultaneously with MW and LHW. Jones never lost his belt, he vacated to chase HW belt. So if Jones succeeds he will be a double champ at LHW and HW who never lost his belt. So if Adesanya wants to be considered the real LHW champ a match with Jones to unify the LHW champion vs 2 double champs will be promoted as CHAMP CHAMP vs CHAMP CHAMP. Because both will be double champs and they are fighting for the true champion at LHW.

See, it's very simple.

 

[moreorless87]

No, Jones dropped his belt to avoid a rematch with Reyes that would otherwise have happened, under no circumstance can he be considered the LHW champ today.

 

[Jose Beehive]

He was the first ever to hold the belts simultaneously. But he isn't the first champ champ/double champs. If Adesanya wins the LHW he will be champ champ simultaneously with MW and LHW. Jones never lost his belt, he vacated to chase HW belt. So if Jones succeeds he will be a double champ at LHW and HW who never lost his belt. So if Adesanya wants to be considered the real LHW champ a match with Jones to unify the LHW champion vs 2 double champs will be promoted as CHAMP CHAMP vs CHAMP CHAMP. Because both will be double champs and they are fighting for the true champion at LHW.

See, it's very simple.

A two time champ is not the same thing, someone who has won two different belts is not the same as someone who has two belts at the same time.. .Conor coined the term Champ Champ, because he was the first..
Yes Israel will be a Champ Champ if he wins the belt.
Jones doesn't have a belt, so he is not a Champion. There are not 2 LHW belts, Jan is the champ not Jones. Was GSP a Champ Champ then when he beat Bisping? So Woodley wasn't the Champ?

It won't be promoted Champ Champ vs Champ Champ, because that's not what it would be, that would disrespect Jan and go against the definition.

 

[Kyler Ruxin]

Once Jones made the move it made him react and followed suit.

or he just waited for Jones to move out of the division before jumping in to it. He's not chasing Jones around, he's avoiding him

 

[HHJ]

No, Jones dropped his belt to avoid a rematch with Reyes that would otherwise have happened, under no circumstance can he be considered the LHW champ today.

He gave it up. You cant still be the champion if you dont want to defend it anymore.

 

[shoorik1987]

Champ Champ only counts if you have two titles at the same time though..Jones will not be considered Champ Champ

Champ Champ is what UFC PR-machine say it is. Conor is still marketed as champ Champ and people eat it.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Champ Champ is what UFC PR-machine say it is. Conor is still marketed as champ Champ and people eat it.

They have marketed what a Champ Champ is, they have literally shown graphic's of people who they deem Champ Champ... There is no evidence to suggest they will change their mind.

He is marketed as Champ Champ because he was the 1st , numero uno Champo Champo.

 

[Dorkman]

I'd be willing to entertain they have a fairly comparable LHW division. But I wouldn't say it's just better.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Izzy I could actually see being an active champ champ as I don't think he's gonna pile on a bunch of weight for his LHW fights and will still easily make MW.

 

[moreorless87]

He gave it up. You cant still be the champion if you dont want to defend it anymore.

Pretty much, nobody has been a proper defending two division champion in the UFC but I would put Jones below champs who moved up and never went back down again because they werent so obviously running from a challenger.

Izzy I could actually see being an active champ champ as I don't think he's gonna pile on a bunch of weight for his LHW fights and will still easily make MW.

It is possible I spose, he's young enough he could maybe be fighting every 4-5 months although I think part of the issue is that there isnt really anyone credible for him to face at MW, Rob and Costa are maybe better known than the LHW contenders but Israel beat them so definitively I'm not sure anyone wants to see rematches.