International Russia/Ukraine Megathread V11

[Rod1]

CAS type missions in Ukraine Russia is doing 400 days in row.
Mainly using Su 25 and Ka - 52.
Success we might see .

USAF is on another completely different level due to it technological superiority.

During the siege of Kobani, the US dropped 1,800 bombs on ISIS sometimes less than 100 meters away from Kurd position, some serious danger close element.

You would assume the aircraft would be flying super low? nope, it was done with B-1 bombers, and aircraft originally designed to be dropping nuclear bombs or for carpet bombing areas from really high.

Precision munition is a game changer, you don't need to fly low and slow when every single bomb has the precision of a guided missile.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/The-Siege-of-Kobani/

 

[SandisLL]

USAF is on another completely different level due to it technological superiority.

During the siege of Kobani, the US dropped 1,800 bombs on ISIS sometimes less than 100 meters away from Kurd position, some serious danger close element.

You would assume the aircraft would be flying super low? nope, it was done with B-1 bombers, and aircraft originally designed to be dropping nuclear bombs or for carpet bombing areas from really high.

Precision munition is a game changer, you don't need to fly low and slow when every single bomb has the precision of a guided missile.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/The-Siege-of-Kobani/

I don't know nuances about air force, I had posted that I have interest in SAM systems and about tanks.

I will lurk, thank you for post.

 

[SandisLL]

For example for Lithuanian mod term " ammunition unit " is everything from 9*18 mm pistol cartridge or hand grenade till even 155 mm artillery shell.
While numbers in public reports really looks trustable.

 

[Badr Hari]

As of 20.00 - fighting in the village of Opitnoe. The enemy broke into the village. An attempt to cut off our units in Vodyanoye.

(Rus telegram)

 

[Rod1]

I don't know nuances about air force, I had posted that I have interest in SAM systems and about tanks.

I will lurk, thank you for post.

TLDR version

An strategic bomber thanks to smart munition now can provide more accurate fire than an A-10 flying at WW2 levels of altitude and speed firing their main gun.

Big issue is always going to be $$$, but it seems Americans have no issue when it comes to $$$ if it produces better result.

 

[Badr Hari]

Famous village of Peski could become a contested battlefield again if Ukr has success in Opytne and Vodyane after Rus spent 8 years of war to capture it. Ukr might try and push for Donetsk airport if they like their chances.

Fingers crossed.

 

[San Marino]

@Rod1,
Regarding the issue of the A-10 Thunderbolt, the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Air Force. The sole purpose of the A-10 is to support ground troops during ground combat. Soldiers and Marines. It is a slow flying jet with a vast arsenal to destroy enemy troops. What would the U.S. Air Force know about ground combat? Nothing. What would the U.S. Army know about ground combat? Everything. From the Army perspective, they want to keep the plane flying because it makes sense. @Blayt7hh has been right about his comments regarding the plane. An F-16, F-18, or B-1 bomber cannot accomplish the same task with the same precision. The A-10 is a hard plane to be brought down. It has different armor from the other planes listed. It can fly on one engine and sustain plenty of damage.

 

[SandisLL]

One funny thing is yelling from lazy mass media customers with little interest in semiotics and about history.

Any 5 end star is also symobol of communism if it is filled with color.
If just lines it is ...old stuff used in occultism and old era phylosophy.
So any flag containing pentagram might be considered as communism symbol? Look at U.S and USSR flag in details. Surprise will be warranted.
Hitler had used symbolic from old nordic stuff, stuff used by old era Egypt and middle east, nordic and hindu stuff...

Idiots still doesn't know that symbol of nazism is one alone: ideology that one nation should rule world.
Symbol of Facshism is ideology that only one party is correct.

Symbol of socialism is crossed sickle and hammer.

 

[PEB]

This is a war crime.

Yes but up to now nothing seems to stop Putin from committing war crime after war crime. Another interesting video of women who are pro Putin in Russia getting spit at an rocks thrown at them and the Police and military are not stopping them from throwing rocks. The Police officer looked like he could care less if they filmed him. It seems something going on around Putin and he's feeling the heat.

On a side note apparently there could be signs the big Ukrainian offensive has started across many areas of Ukraine.

 

[Blayt7hh]

So basically the USAF is dumb and doesn't understand what they do, gotcha.

"USAF elitist bad, Army good" not the first guy to come with this nonsense.



What edgy take? its literally what the USAF says and backs with fucking HARD DATA, the army only arguments are emotional "Its not CAS unless we can see the plane and the USAF puts themselves in danger like we do" this is clearly an idiotic understanding of the USAF actual work and goals.

I guess the US Army resents the fact that USAF personnel doesn't likes to take unnecessary risks.



I did watched the video i even addressed the point it made, you clearly are not reading my posts, so leave it at that.

Well the last part about me not reading any of your posts is kind of true but you’ve been coming with a lot of nonsense in these past few posts. Listen, I’ve seen all the videos you’ve seen about how bad it is and I’ve seen the ones about why it’s good.

I’ve actually made an effort to stay fairly civil because I usually like your posts. I never insulted the Air Force in any of my posts and now you’re rewarding what I said into an insult. The reality is what you’re saying is insulting, that the Army doesn’t understand what it needs. That the Marines don’t understand what they need.

If you think I’m insulting the Air Force by saying they don’t want to pay for it or fund its replacement, I’m not. The Air Force has its own missions, its own mission. Today that mission is modernizing for a war with China which won’t be won by boots on the ground.

The reality is that this whole fight comes down to funding. Saying that the A-10 isn’t a massive success on the battlefield is unequivocally false. Saying it’s too easy to shoot down doesn’t cut mustard here. This is a financial decision

 

[SandisLL]

TLDR version

An strategic bomber thanks to smart munition now can provide more accurate fire than an A-10 flying at WW2 levels of altitude and speed firing their main gun.

Big issue is always going to be $$$, but it seems Americans have no issue when it comes to $$$ if it produces better result.

AFAIK a lot of operations using strategic air craft are conucted with launching from them some kind of long range missiles.
Anyway I will lurk about this when I will have some free time.

 

[San Marino]

. Ukraine's at Risk of a Devastating Setback (msn.com)

"The stakes of the counteroffensive for Ukraine is the need to show Western backers that the investments and risks of the past year and a half bear fruit," Northwestern University political science professor William Reno told Newsweek. "Significant failure would open more political space for Western critics of aid, particularly in upcoming elections in Europe and the U.S."

"Should the counteroffensive be unsuccessful, the U.S. and Europeans would continue to provide arms, but might be more open to peace initiatives that would freeze in place the two lines," Reardon said.

George Mason University Schar School of Policy and Government professor Mark N. Katz told Newsweek that a failed counteroffensive would likely result in some voices in the West wanting to pull back support to Ukraine.

"They will argue that it is time for Ukraine to adjust to painful reality and agree to a ceasefire with Russia that leaves Moscow in possession of much or even all the territory that it now occupies," Katz said. "Putin is hoping for this to occur."

As for the consequences on the battlefield, David Silbey—an associate professor of history at Cornell and director of teaching and learning at Cornell in Washington—told Newsweek that a failed counteroffensive "would most likely reestablish the status quo stalemate."

"Unless the Russians had enough forces to manage a substantial attack of their own, the situation would end up back where it started, although with lots of casualties," Silbey said. "So it would be a failure, but not a war-ending one."

"Both the U.S. and Ukraine have been talking up the counteroffensive for months now, with tidbits about combined arms training and new weapons," he said. "If the offensive failed, it would be a blow to the political prestige of both countries."

 

[SandisLL]

A-10 might had carried also missiles and bombs. Like Su -25.

 

[Rod1]

Well the last part about me not reading any of your posts is kind of true but

You already made your mind "USAF hates America" and went

No wonder you believe stupid CTs

 

[Blayt7hh]

You already made your mind "USAF hates America" and went

No wonder you believe stupid CTs

I have never once insulted the Air Force in any of my posts. You just struggle with comprehension you nitwit.

 

[Rod1]

Regarding the issue of the A-10 Thunderbolt, the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Air Force. The sole purpose of the A-10 is to support ground troops during ground combat.

The purpose of CAS is to kill targets that are close to ground troops yes.

Soldiers and Marines. It is a slow flying jet with a vast arsenal to destroy enemy troops. What would the U.S. Air Force know about ground combat? Nothing.

CAS isn't ground combat, its in the fucking name "close AIR support"

What would the U.S. Army know about ground combat? Everything.

Good thing we aren't talking about ground combat.

From the Army perspective, they want to keep the plane flying because it makes sense. @Blayt7hh has been right about his comments regarding the plane

Considering the flop that was the Comanche? they realized the same thing the USAF realized.

An F-16, F-18, or B-1 bomber cannot accomplish the same task with the same precision.

"These planes can't do what they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Syria and Libya"

Man you live detached to reality.

The A-10 is a hard plane to be brought down. It has different armor from the other planes listed. It can fly on one engine and sustain plenty of damage.

Except A-10s have been put out of commission by fucking WW2 era weapons. B-1B isn't at risk because the USAF is very, very good at suppression of long range SAMS

 

[SandisLL]

Ukr counteroffensive? With current supplies? .
While posters like Marino doesn't know reality: europe doesn't want to have more land border with Russia and will supply even more weapons if next POTUS will be Donald Trump + will make deal under the table with Xi and U.S then will really to lost their hegemony.

 

[Rod1]

I have never once insulted the Air Force in any of my posts. You just struggle with comprehension you nitwit.

Says the guy that openly admits to not reading other people's posts.

Again, if you realized your mind why even respond just to show you live to be a troll?

 

[Rod1]

The Air Force not wanting to spend money on something that is more for the Army and Marines is not a CT. It's basically a known fact

I mean you claim you don't hate the USAF yet the accusation that they would leave ground troops without air support to save money is a very serious one, but i mean you already said you don't read my posts, so you missed the part where they spending quite a bit of money on AC-130 (nearly $200 million a piece).

 

[Blayt7hh]

Says the guy that openly admits to not reading other people's posts.

Again, if you realized your mind why even respond just to show you live to be a troll?

Oh I definitely started out reading your posts but then i started skimming them once I started seeing the same tired shit and you not really responding to my points. I will admit I got tired of your dismissive attitude and the insulting responses.

Real question though. Do you always throw such a tantrum when someone doesn't agree with you?

I mean you claim you don't hate the USAF yet the accusation that they would leave ground troops without air support to save money is a very serious one, but i mean you already said you don't read my posts, so you missed the part where they spending quite a bit of money on AC-130 (nearly $200 million a piece).

This is one of the first thing I said early on in our exchanges:

It probably does make more sense for the Army and Marines to field their own variants.

Pretty pathetic to try and twist my words to make it look like im shitting on the Air Force