How would Prime Fedor do against the current UFC HW division?

[GearSolidMetal]

The fact that *Champion & *Top 3 are only constituting 78% of the vote proves that 22% of Sherdog is fucking delusional.

 

[HHJ]

Yes and no. He answered throughout his career does he have the most coveted desired skillset. He answered how does he fair against adversity and he answered could he win at HW. The question only remains how many HW’s can he beat to convince the remaining people that don’t have him already greatest that he is the greatest HW. As a Jones fan I’m leaning towards let it go homie lol.

 

[Mind Mine]

Truly all Jones fights excite me but anything he does from now on is like a fragment of the magical time of prime Jones. It’s like watching a guy coming out to put on a show you know there is no way in fuck it will be as good as the show 10 years ago and probably not 5. Will always be a big fan but unlike you Fedor boys encouraging his Bellator run lol I encourage know when to fold em and this may be the time

 

[Kb7]

Heath Herring didnt.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Heath Herring wasn’t a great a fighter. With all his experience in the “premier org.” Fighting the “best fighters in the world.”, yet couldn’t beat a pro wrestler who was green in his 3rd MMA Fight and got embarrassed.

 

[HHJ]

Sorry to burst your bubble but Heath Herring wasn’t a great a fighter. With all his experience in the “premier org.” Fighting the “best fighters in the world.”, yet couldn’t beat a pro wrestler who was green in his 3rd MMA Fight and got embarrassed.

So 3 time hw champ Randy Couture isnt great either??

Also it was brought up that "anyone who could wrestle,with sub defense could beat Fedor" Herring is someone with that.

 

[HHJ]

you Fedor boys encouraging his Bellator run lol I encourage know when to fold em and this may be the time

I dont think he should have come back,but he DID,so WAR FEDOR until the bitter fuckin end.

All Fedor all the time,not just the good times.

 

[Greg House]

You folks gotta be honest. How many 230lb HWs are there in the UFC. He isn't a tall guy either. The beauty of Fedor is him being the smaller man but finding a way to win with better technique. The skill gap isn't that big anymore. The guys are even bigger nowadays.

Jailton Almeida weighs 230 and is having a picnic with these "advanced modern heavyweights". For fucks sake, Tuivasa was in the top 5 recently, a high scholl wrestler that DC brought to AKA easily pin that bum down. How can you guys write this stuff with a straight face?

 

[Greg House]

Weight classes do matter however there aren’t many HW’s with better mma wrestling than Jones even if partially stifled against larger men. His striking and ability to read his opponent is probably better than any HW. The hilarious thing that you Jones doubters and haters don’t get is that as a Jones fan he waited too damn long to move up and definitely isn’t a much greater fighter than his prime. He had the skills to rule HW many years ago. His biggest mistake was he played it smart and safe in a sense. I can’t blame him it is what it is

Of couruse you "can't blame him" for playing it safe. You are his fanboy.

The reality is that Jones always struggled with people his own size like Gus and Reyes. Strikers of his size with a good takedown defense like JDS and Ngannou would have been a nightmare stilistically for him. He waited for them to not be around in order to move up because he thought he wouldn't be able to beat them or would be a clear underdog. Like you say, he play it "smart and safe". Ironic that you admit this and in the same post you also claim that "he would have ruled the HW if he had moved up earlier". Yeah, sure lol.

 

[Wilmer Digreux]

 

[Greg House]

Crazy that most voters say Fedor would be champ - in terms of size, Fedor was more of an LHW at 6ft and 233lbs with no cut. Guys like Rakic and Jiri are substantially taller and cut from that weight or heavier down to 205

IMO Jones, Pavlovich and Aspinall would certainly beat prime Fedor, Gane probably as long as he brought his TDD from the Spivac fight, and I'd bet on Jailton Almeida as well. I'd say Stipe too but maybe not the washed 41y/o Ngannou-starched version of Stipe

It doesn't look good on paper now but back then things went from big is stronger, to very big, to huge and then back to around 230lbs really good ones. Which made us think that size stops mattering after 220 pounds and is more about skill at that point.

It's funny how things have devolved back to "very big" because of weight classes and how bad the division is now. You seem to think that a 6'4'' striker/wrestler that weighed 250lbs like Heath Herrig would do good in the UFC today. Or a 6'8'' and 265 lbs world class kickboxing champion like Semmy Schilt. Well what about the guy that ragdolled those 2 like they were made of paper? Would he do well?

In Pride there was a 6'3'' and 240lbs russian that compited in internation amateur boxing tournaments and was also a sambo specialist. He got knocked out there by a 6'4'' and 260lbs beast that was also from Russia. That beast was Fedor's younger brother. The one considered "weak one" back then. I imagine you think that both Kharitonov and Alex would do really well today in UFC.

 

[NoSmilez]

Jailton Almeida weighs 230 and is having a picnic with these "advanced modern heavyweights". For fucks sake, Tuivasa was in the top 5 recently, a high scholl wrestler that DC brought to AKA easily pin that bum down. How can you guys write this stuff with a straight face?

Jailton is still an untested product. We are talking about winning the championship. Is Tai really that close to winning or he has been beat down every time he climbed up? You are talking about Fedor who had issues controlling a green Hunt. Was he in his decline then? You mentioned a high school wrestler. Does Fedor use double legs or singles? You should really think about what you are writing.

 

[Greg House]

Jailton is still an untested product. We are talking about winning the championship. Is Tai really that close to winning or he has been beat down every time he climbed up? You are talking about Fedor who had issues controlling a green Hunt. Was he in his decline then? You mentioned a high school wrestler. Does Fedor use double legs or singles? You should really think about what you are writing.

You asked for one. I gave you one and now you are moving the goalpost because you don't know how to get out of that hole you digged yourself into. Says a lot about you. No reason to think that Gane would stop Almeida from doing to him what he has done to the rest of the division. Almeida is a 230lbs who is taking advantage of how weak and one dimensional modern heavyweights are.

And about Tai. Really? You really want to go there? A high school wrestler easily pins him down and you want to imply that a russian judo champion like Fedor wouldn't have been able to because "he doesn't shoot double legs" like him? LMAO. Dude I'm thinking what I'm writing, maybe you should try that too...

 

[NoSmilez]

You asked for one. I gave you one and now you are moving the goalpost because you don't know how to get out of that hole you digged yourself into. Says a lot about you. No reason to think that Gane would stop Almeida from doing to him what he has done to the rest of the division. Almeida is a 230lbs who is taking advantage of how weak and one dimensional modern heavyweights are.

And about Tai. Really? You really want to go there? A high school wrestler easily pins him down and you want to imply that a russian judo champion like Fedor wouldn't have been able to because "he doesn't shoot double legs" like him? LMAO. Dude I'm thinking what I'm writing, maybe you should try that too...

Jailton is a LHW who doesn't want to cut to HW. You act like everyone else is like him. He is just made it to the 9th or tenth spot. Let's be honest here. You are the one being dishonest about this whole situation. You act like Jailton hasn't lost grappling matches to MWs recently. You can tag me and I will eat crow when he gets past Blaydes.

Fedor had issues taking larger people down with throws. Are you not watching his fights? Is he going to suddenly shoot doubles and singles?

 

[Paul E Gensinger]

A fighter who failed in Strikeforce and Bellator would have been eviscerated in the UFC.

 

[orca]

So beating two former UFC world champs in USA isnt enough for you?

what version of these champs are u telling me he beat ?
he already had a chance to prove himself
32 year old prime fedor wasnt really good in a drug testing organization

i know your just gonna say hes out of his prime
that is just your defense
he was undefeated in pride
but instantly looked average in a drug testing org like strikeforce

not accusing of steroids btw just my observation

look even if u let oldman mw hendo inject all kinds of stuff in his system
theres no way he could beat a 41 yr old stipe thats out of prime

the myth of fedor lol

 

[orca]

There really is alot of unanswered questions about Jones at HW despite the shiny belt.

jones proved hes the best fighting steroids era and post steroids era
he literally fought the best and beat them all

while fedor proved he was only the best in a steroid org
dudes resume in his prime where like 85 percent unknown fighters

btw not accusing of steroids bro

no one really cares if jones is the best HW
stipe is the HW GOAT

the fact is the overall GOAT
is jon jones

 

[orca]

The fact that *Champion & *Top 3 are only constituting 78% of the vote proves that 22% of Sherdog is fucking delusional.

prime fedor lost left and right in a drug testing org like strikeforce


your delusional

dudes best wins where nog and cro cop

lol dude u serious?

big nog cant even beat frank mir lmao
frank mir who had an injury from a bike accident
mir was basically on a disadvantage

u telling me fedor can beat these guys if theres drug testing?

 

[GearSolidMetal]

prime fedor lost left and right in a drug testing org like strikeforce


your delusional

Yet his body & muscle mass was unchanged, so he wasn't on PEDs as you Fedor-haters like to conclude he was.

He was less effective for two reasons. He fell in love with striking and forgot his grappling was his bread&butter, and his age. He had a LONG career already by the time he fought in strikeforce, so like Cain his prime was much earlier in his career unlike many HWs which their 30s are their prime years.

your delusional

Your grammar teacher failed you.

dudes best wins where nog and cro cop

... in Pride, where they had the best HW roster in the history of the sport. Saying those two were his best wins as if that's an insult shows your level of delusion.

big nog cant even beat frank mir lmao
frank mir who had an injury from a bike accident
mir was basically on a disadvantage

u telling me fedor can beat these guys if theres drug testing?

I'm telling you you're in no position to make an argument about anything when you don't know how to use your SHIFT key.

 

[pankrat]

He was less effective for two reasons.

Mainly injuries, which hindered his grappling

 

[orca]

Yet his body & muscle mass was unchanged, so he wasn't on PEDs as you Fedor-haters like to conclude he was.

He was less effective for two reasons. He fell in love with striking and forgot his grappling was his bread&butter, and his age. He had a LONG career already by the time he fought in strikeforce, so like Cain his prime was much earlier in his career unlike many HWs which their 30s are their prime years.



Your grammar teacher failed you.



... in Pride, where they had the best HW roster in the history of the sport. Saying those two were his best wins as if that's an insult shows your level of delusion.



I'm telling you you're in no position to make an argument about anything when you don't know how to use your SHIFT key.

so pride fighters where steroid abusers
but not fedor because hes your favorite?

is this another " but but but he didnt get caught" thing?

im not accusing him
its just that he look average in a drug testing org like strikeforce

grandpa hendo smashed a 32 year old prime fedor but with drug testing
i wonder why fedor was ok fighting in pride
but wasnt ok fighting grandpa hendo

its just like he knows something that we dont
not saying steroids bro hehe