News Cain Velasquez: "Jon Jones is the greatest ever, the greatest ever that you’re ever gonna see"

[KarateYeah]

He's right

 

[aali14]

Wonder if Khabib feels betrayed by his AKA brethren

 

[Neck&Neck]

Cayenne vs Bones, Prison Match… now that would of been one for the ages

 

[CedricBee]

How is he betraying DC when he beat DC twice pretty handily?

Nobody has ever beaten the quality of competition Jon has at the finish rate and dominating manner in which he did it. The closest thing to Rua-Jackson-Machida-Evans-Belfort-Sonnen-Gus-Glover-DC-OSP-DC-Gus with 7 finishes is Weidman's Maia-Munoz-Silva-Silva-Machida-Belfort with 4 finishes, imo.

You lost me with the Weidman reference, there’s only three pedigrees that stack up to Jones’s body of work.

1) GSP outwrestling Finch, Kos, & Sheilds … Out-pointing Penn 2x, Diaz & Condit … And finishing Hughes (rematch), Penn (rematch), and Bisping (when he finished them). Such a wide range of skills to accomplish those feats when he did. The all-around skill set to outwork a prime Johny Hendricks is/was also its own category of impressive. The last feat has always convinced me that a prime GSP would still be champ today (key word being “prime”), because of his all-around skill set.

2) Fedor dominating Big Nog 2x, Cro Crop, and Schilt (when he did),
… Finishing Randleman (grappling), Coleman (grappling), Sylvia (striking), and Arlovski (striking)… And doing it with a blend of striking skills, explosiveness, endurance (10 minute First rounds in Pride), and grappling skills no one had seen before. I tell young cats that Fedor was like Muhammad Ali in terms of having skills never seen before at HW, except Fedor had these skills pound for pound! The ultimate you had to have been a fan during his/her prime athlete.

3) Anderson’s complete domination of Franklin 2x, Belfort, & Bonner (not KO’d in prime by Evans or Machida [doctor stoppage], Griffin (Jardine’s KO was Tank Abbot-like compared to Anderson’s - Rashad was losing before he TKO’d Griffin)… His wins in spite of adversity/bad matchups against Sonnen 2x, Henderson.

 

[MCDojoMMA]

Prime for prime. Cain vs Jones would be spectaculair. I would favor Cain.

 

[blaseblase]

How is he betraying DC when he beat DC twice pretty handily?

This. Regardless of their beef, elevating Jones career elevates DC's career as well. He's only lost to 2 fighters and one of them was Jones.

 

[AstralPanda]

Jones fought guys past their prime early, in division where he built like monster. When the division caught up he turned to peds, this destroy his personal life. This lead to close fights and subsequent hiatus, until he can fight for belt against newcomer in new division. Nothing special.

So what you're saying is, Jon Jones was never that good.

 

[Joshuaace]

Does this feel like DC's teammate betraying him?
https://www.lowkickmma.com/cain-velasquez-miocic-jon-jones-that-maybe-ufc/

That looks like someone with an IQ in the 70's, and/or someone trying to convince us (quite convincingly) he is suffering from CTE.

 

[Space_Trucker]

Everyone who knows anything knows Jones is the best we’ve ever seen.

Only nerds who never competed have some kind of differing opinion.

The only argument is “but steroids” and all the pros know what’s up with that.

There is no denying his skil and aptitude for the fight game - he is levels beyond anyone else. My only gripe about hi. Is a personal one ... he, as an individual, is human garbage.

 

[dildos]

Someone should tell Cain to say ‘ever’ one more time.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

I say if Jon Jones beats Stipe and than beats two top 5 ranked guys at HW. He's the GOAT no doubt.

 

[loisestrad]

I say if Jon Jones beats Stipe and than beats two top 5 ranked guys at HW. He's the GOAT no doubt.

That would make him the GOAT HW.

He's already the GOAT in general.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

That would make him the GOAT HW.

He's already the GOAT in general.

No I think Fedor is still the GOAT imo. Until he does what I mentioned.

 

[loisestrad]

No I think Fedor is still the GOAT imo. Until he does what I mentioned.

That's fair.

 

[C0NCH3TO]

Jon is probably all of that but I can’t look away from the fact that he is a compulsive cheater ( PEDS and eye pokes). I’ll always have him as the Lance Armstrong of MMA.

And don’t come to me with the horseshit excuse of “ they are all on roids”.

 

[ferrisjso]

Munoz ... nothing special.

Belfort was banned from taking TRT and he looked AWFUL. Physically looked like he aged 15 years. Non TRT Vitor is not a great win.

There are many runs far better.

Name them.

 

[Rationality]

You lost me with the Weidman reference, there’s only three pedigrees that stack up to Jones’s body of work.

1) GSP outwrestling Finch, Kos, & Sheilds … Out-pointing Penn 2x, Diaz & Condit … And finishing Hughes (rematch), Penn (rematch), and Bisping (when he finished them). Such a wide range of skills to accomplish those feats when he did. The all-around skill set to outwork a prime Johny Hendricks is/was also its own category of impressive. The last feat has always convinced me that a prime GSP would still be champ today (key word being “prime”), because of his all-around skill set.

2) Fedor dominating Big Nog 2x, Cro Crop, and Schilt (when he did),
… Finishing Randleman, Coleman, Sylvia, and Arlovski … And doing it with a blend of striking skills, explosiveness, endurance (10 minute First rounds in Pride), and grappling skills no one had seen before. I tell young cats that Fedor was like Muhammad Ali in terms of having skills never seen before at HW, except Fedor had these skills pound for pound! The ultimate you had to have been a fan during his/her prime athlete.

3) Anderson’s complete domination of Franklin 2x, Belfort, & Bonner (not KO’d in prime by Evans or Machida [doctor stoppage], Griffin (Jardine’s KO was Tank Abbot-like compared to Anderson’s - Rashad was losing before he TKO’d Griffin)… His wins in spite of adversity/bad matchups against Sonnen 2x, Henderson.

This guy gets it.
And as a huge GSP fan even I must admit Bones is far and away the MMA GOAT.

 

[duke_droese]

GSP for me. Jones number 2. But they're very close.

Khabib might have been a contender if the covid fuckery didn't happen.

Also he didn't benefit from the pre-usada era like those 2 and silva did. That's such a big factor that it makes it unfair to compare the fighters from both eras. Khabib on proper steroids would be scary.

 

[Adamant]

It's too bad JJ wasted such a huge chunk of his prime. We're talking YEARS.

 

[empsim]

Doesn't make much sense to talk about "ever gonna see" but he's definitely the best we've seen so far.