Elections Christian group believes Mike Johnson is the most dangerous Christian in America

Spam On Rye said:
If a Christian group says they support social justice, then they are not Christian. My guess is this group probably supports chopping off kids genitals too.
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So Christians are against social justice? I knew It!
 
Is one online group really worthy of note? You can find an people holding any possible opinion on the internet if you're willing to look
 
MicroBrew said:
Salon is right though. Hamas has no power in America. MAGA supports authoritarianism. Christian Nationalism isn't Christian; it has a strong overlap with White Nationalism.

I have nothing critical to say about Mike Johnson, cause I know nothing about the guy. No idea about the group in the O.P. but it sounds like hyperbole.
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Both sides are supporting authoritarianism but the right wing extremists have more legitimacy in government right now than the left wing extremists. Unfortunately it seems inevitable that we will have an extremist majority authority within our lifetimes and we're just having to pick which one.
 
MicroBrew said:
It can be argued that Jesus was one of the original social justice warriors. He was all about supporting the poor, the meek and the reviled - and critiquing the rich and corrupt. Christian activists played an important role in the abolitionist movement.
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How does that make Jesus a socialist? You can't just mix and match thought that came almost 2,000 years apart. That's almost as bad as people saying he was a hippie. What's your theological basis for this?
 
Mike Johnson did ok in 1996

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Spam On Rye said:
How does that make Jesus a socialist? You can't just mix and match thought that came almost 2,000 years apart. That's almost as bad as people saying he was a hippie. What's your theological basis for this?
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Matthew 19:21 - Jesus advocates wealth redistribution.

Not that that's the definition of socialism, but in the modern US this ideology would get him labeled a disgusting Marxist.

"Jesus said to him, 'If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me. ' When the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions."

And just in case you missed it d*ckhead modern pastors and especially the prosperity nutjobs have the nerve to suggest that their charlatanism is a glowing example of Godliness in spite of this lesson.
 
A left wing Christian group doesn't support a right wing Christian politician. Same politics, different shirt.

But I am interested in left wing Christian groups being more vocal about how their politics and beliefs intersect. It's an area of discourse where right wing Christians have dominated and created the impression that Christianity and the right side of the political aisle are inexorably intertwined. I dislike political determinism so another voice is always welcome.
 
Spam On Rye said:
How?
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lol you are either trolling or far too ignorant of the message of Jesus to going on about it like some sort of authority.

If anything, I'd say he was a progressive conservative. He called out hypocrites in the establishment, consorted with hookers and tax collectors--the most reviled people in Roman-held lands among non-Romans. He rebuked the money changers at the temple due to their commercialization of religious observance--a lesson the Catholics implemented well when the printing press came along; but I digress.

It amuses me to hear you say being progressive is not Christian given the Sermon on the Mount. Do you want a refresher?

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the Earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called the Sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you...


Do modern American Christians strike you as particularly meek? Do they seem to be peacemakers? Do they seem merciful to you?
 
Andy Capp said:
lol you are either trolling or far too ignorant of the message of Jesus to going on about it like some sort of authority.

If anything, I'd say he was a progressive conservative. He called out hypocrites in the establishment, dined with hookers and tax collectors--the most reviled people in Roman-held lands among non-Romans. He rebuked the money changes at the temple due to their commercialization of religious observance--a lesson the Catholics implemented well when the printing press came along; but I digress.

It amuses me to hear you say being progressive is not Christian given the Sermon on the Mount. Do you want a refresher?

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the Earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called the Sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you...


Do modern American Christians strike you as particularly meek? Do they seem to be peacemakers? Do they seem merciful to you?
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Nah, former Trump staffer William Wolfe is encouraging them to take up arms and declare War.
 
Surprise a left wing group is against a republican.

They can themselves whatever they want but you go by their platform.
 
Sinister said:
Nah, former Trump staffer William Wolfe is encouraging them to take up arms and declare War.
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Well, funny you should say that, because on the other hand, he also said this about the religious establishment of the time,

  1. They taught about God, but did not love God – they did not enter the kingdom of heaven themselves, nor did they let others enter.
  2. They enriched themselves by the estates of widows using the appearance of devoutness.
  3. They preached God, but converted people to dead religion.
  4. They taught that an oath sworn by the temple or altar was not binding, but that if sworn by the gold ornamentation of the temple, or by a sacrificial gift on the altar, it was binding. The gold and gifts, however, were not sacred in themselves as the temple and altar were, but derived a measure of lesser sacredness by being connected to the temple or altar. The teachers and Pharisees worshiped at the temple and offered sacrifices at the altar because they knew that the temple and altar were sacred. How then could they deny oath-binding value to what was truly sacred and accord it to objects of trivial and derived sacredness?
  5. They taught the law, but did not practice some of the most important parts of the law – justice, mercy, faithfulness to God. They obeyed the minutiae of the law such as tithing spices, but not the weightier matters of the law.
  6. They presented an appearance of being 'clean' (self-restrained, not involved in carnal matters), but they were dirty inside: they seethed with hidden worldly desires, carnality. They were full of greed and self-indulgence.
  7. They exhibited themselves as righteous on account of being scrupulous keepers of the law but were, in fact, not righteous: their mask of righteousness hid a secret inner world of ungodly thoughts and feelings. They were full of wickedness. They were like whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of dead men's bones.
  8. They professed a high regard for the dead prophets of old and claimed that they would never have persecuted and murdered prophets when, in fact, they were cut from the same cloth as the persecutors and murderers: they too had murderous blood in their veins.

Sound familiar?
 
panamaican said:
A left wing Christian group doesn't support a right wing Christian politician. Same politics, different shirt.

But I am interested in left wing Christian groups being more vocal about how their politics and beliefs intersect. It's an area of discourse where right wing Christians have dominated and created the impression that Christianity and the right side of the political aisle are inexorably intertwined. I dislike political determinism so another voice is always welcome.
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Like many things, scratch the surface of religious conservatism and you'll find a deep desire to protect social heriarchies (ie: racism). The movement of Christians in the US towards Evangelical conservatism just happened to coincide with the Civil Rights movement where the mainline Protestant establishments adopted liberal views on the matters at-hand:

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/qa-david-hollinger-religous-right/
 
ineverpost said:
Both sides are supporting authoritarianism but the right wing extremists have more legitimacy in government right now than the left wing extremists. Unfortunately it seems inevitable that we will have an extremist majority authority within our lifetimes and we're just having to pick which one.
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In what way are "the left" supporting authoritarianism? Just curious. And I sincerely hope you say some dumb sh*t like "vaxx mandates."
 
ColemanwastheGOAT said:
Who does he think he is? Al Gore and Hillary Clinton?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122420&page=1

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-...election-results-has-spread-to-all-democrats/
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You mean the Al Gore that made a conscious decision not to haggle over that election he was projected to win when the SCOTUS instructed the State run by the incumbent's Brother to stop Counting? That Gore that himself didnt file any contesting lawsuit so that in order TO preserve the peaceful transfer of power? Or the Hillary Clinton that literally conceded the next day where the big baby she lost to refuses to concede to this day after being laughed out of every Court in America?

You're right, they're exactly the same.
 
Sinister said:
You mean the Al Gore that made a conscious decision not to haggle over that election he was projected to win when the SCOTUS instructed the State run by the incumbent's Brother to stop Counting? That Gore that himself didnt file any contesting lawsuit so that in order TO preserve the peaceful transfer of power? Or the Hillary Clinton that literally conceded the next day where the big baby she lost to refuses to concede to this day after being laughed out of every Court in America?

You're right, they're exactly the same.
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I know, I know, when your guys deny election results, it's different. It's only bad when the other guy's do it. I know.
 
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