Best base for MMA imo(boxing)

[GIXER]

Really stupid thread. Bet you're the big Art Jemmerson fan.

 

[Tiseye]

the top 3 p4p fighters in the world have good hands

penn
a. silva
fedor

bells are ringing

Their ground skills are extremely good as well.

In regards to the OP, boxing is nice, but not the best base. Heart and a chin are nice attributes, but a boxer gets taken down and pounded or submitted by a ground specialist. If I had to have one skill in MMA, I'd pick wrestling or BJJ. These days, gyms are training in all sorts of techniques, the best athletes are not only elite competitors, but well rounded fighters.

 

[Brazilian_JJ]

To come from a prestigious striking background guarentees that you completly outclass most guys in MMA standing. Just how Cro Cop came from K-1 and learnt submission and takedown defence. Since nobody could take him down they were forced to trade with a striker who they could never hold a candle to.

that's the kind of thing that most people don't understand, no one is "impossible to take down", some people are harder but EVERYFUCKING ONE goes down at one point or other even if a "pullin guard" is needed and that's where Jiu Jitsu still making the difference. Crocop vs nogueira for example.

Jiu Jitsu is the best base.

lhw champ - jiu jitsu
ww champ - jiu jitsu/karate
mw champ - muay thai but also trained jiu jitsu since started mma
lhw champ - trained mma whole life but more focused in no gi jiu jitsu
hw true champ is nogueira - jiu jitsu

Some people make the argument that Jiu Jitsu is "easier" to learn when you are older, so people should focus in a strike/wrestling base. But you will never become a top grappler if you first had an wrestling trainament, Wrestling gives you STRENGHT and EXPLOSION but also give you HARD HIPS and POOR FLEXIBILITY, Wrestlers will hardly become good grapplers especially when playing on their backs. I think you gotta choose between TOP WRESTLING or TOP BJJ skill to have and i sicnerelly choose TOP BJJ...

BTW there's only 1 fighter that i can remeber that has top wrestling and top BJJ game and that's Arona, he's a miracle of genetic.

 

[Red Triangle]

You most've not read my post. IF we're going to pick one fighting style to beat other styles(like the early days) then only sub arts would be good. Wrestling is worth less without either stiking or sub def. name one decent boxer that was in the early UFC's? I'd take a prime Mike Tyson over prime Royce any day. my post is about the best syles as a base and then develope other styles around that base and i think it's easily boxing

LOL, you just lost all credibility when you said Mike Tyson would beat Royce. How the hell would that happen?

 

[nikolop]

the top 3 p4p fighters in the world have good hands

penn
a. silva
fedor

bells are ringing

yes, and 2 of the 3 have their base in a grappling art.

I don't see how the argument of "take a great boxer and give him some ground skils" is any different than "take a great grappler and give him some standup"

 

[axecutioner]

the top 3 p4p fighters in the world have good hands

penn
a. silva
fedor

bells are ringing

How very observant of you. You do realize that they're all very good on the ground as well? In fact, two of those 3 have grappling bases. Bells are ringing alright, actually just one bell and that's the dumbbell in you ringing of nonsense.

 

[Atomic_blast]

LOL, you just lost all credibility when you said Mike Tyson would beat Royce. How the hell would that happen?

Are you kidding me?

Mike Tyson was too strong and fast for Royce.

Before Royce would try to get in for a clinch and sweep Tyson would blast him with a quick hook or right cross.

Damn you are a idiot. Do you believe that the fighters Royce fought were all in their primes too and they were the top best of their sport? The whole event was set up for Gracie to win. Jimmerson was a Light Heavyweight which is 175 and he was not even a elite boxer like that.

Shamrock was in his prime but he was a ground fighter anyways, he went into Gracie territory. Tyson had to be taken down and for that to happen Royce would have to get in close enough only to have his face cave in.

Tyson was not a big Heavyweight who was fighting larger opponents and destroying them. Imagine what he would do to Gracie being 40 pounds lighter than him.

Tyson was just to damn fast and powerful.

Do you believe in Santa Clasue too? Damn moron.

 

[Brazilian_JJ]

Mike Tyson was too strong and fast for Royce. Are you kidding?

Before Royce would try to get in for a clinch and sweep Tyson would blast him with a quick hook or right cross.

Damn you are a idiot. Do you believe that the fighters Royce fought were all in their primes too and they were the top best of their sport?

Do you believe in Santa Clasue too? Damn moron.

first if you talking about Mike Tyson you should compare him with a HW... Nogueira maybe.

then again, Mike tyson would lose even vs royce gracie in my fucking opinion. Royce would run into Tyson with a very closed guard and probably get hitted once or twice but very hard to get KOed with a closed guard, once he got the clinch he would pull guard or bring it to the ground at some point, doesn't matter who's on top, someone who has no experience on the ground just can't win at Mixed Martial Arts, simple as that.

 

[Vietnamese Guy]

Uh If Its A Fighter's Heart Muay Thai Would Be X100 Better

 

[Sketch]

I agree but only if its stand up. You need bjj or wrestling because with just boxing you will get taken down, unless you are somehow amazing and just knock everyone out while they dive in for a takedown.

 

[Atomic_blast]

first if you talking about Mike Tyson you should compare him with a HW... Nogueira maybe.

then again, Mike tyson would lose even vs royce gracie in my fucking opinion. Royce would run into Tyson with a very closed guard and probably get hitted once or twice but very hard to get KOed with a closed guard, once he got the clinch he would pull guard or bring it to the ground at some point, doesn't matter who's on top, someone who has no experience on the ground just can't win at Mixed Martial Arts, simple as that.

Your opinion don't count. Look at your screen name. Straight up bias with no fact.

And Igor Vovchanchyn who was a Boxer proved your idiotic bias opinion wrong when he destroyed World Class BJJ grappler Adilson Lima in a 1995 Russian match. Lima trained under Ryan Gracie.

People like you forget that styles don't only matter. Alot of times it is about who has the better skills and who can execute that skill the best.

BJJ don't mean shit when your opponent is extremely explosive with power and speed.


Look at how Tank Abbott destroyed Hugo Duerta (Vale Tudo) and Tank was not even quick but powerful as hell.

 

[puppetz706]

I disagree with everyone in this thread.

The best base for MMA is obviously football.

Look at the NFL, the players get paid millions and millions of dollars.
They are incredible athletes; I mean have you seen DeMarcus Ware, the strength, speed, and size he possesses are unlike anything you've seen in MMA.


Pros of football as a base.
Size
Speed
Strength
Get used to being hit
Get used to hitting people
Lots of money
Lots of fame
If you lose you have 52 other people to blame for your lose.

Cons
none

I hope this ends all these silly arguments over what is the best base for MMA.
Because it's obvious that once MMA fighters get paid as much as NFL athletes, we will see the true future of the sport.

 

[Matt4786]

I somewhat agree. Boxing teaches you how to take a punch and to stay calm in the pocket. I think it's actually easier to learn how to grapple since you don't have to take strikes in that. However, boxing on it's own doesn't stand up to the grappling arts at all.

 

[The_Knave]

Floyd Fights at 147 and fought below that most of his career, so there's no one in the UFC that is that light. I'd say that within a year of training he'd have a better chance of beating Urijah MMA then vice versa

I'd give Floyd two years of training and I'd still bet the house that Urijah destroys him.

 

[DaHonestTruth2**]

i want to see floyd mayweather fight in the ufc.


what weight does pretty boy fight at? 175? i would be willing to say that someone like militech would beat the fuck out of floyd in mma.

Whatever man, mayweather is a fast learner.

 

[Mike Evans]

I think its Muay Thai, thats what I started in and I adapted really well into grappling arts (I went to Severn's for 3 years) On the other hand all the pure wrestlers that I try to teach striking too, really have a problem learning it.(Footwork and hand positioning seem to be the biggest problems) Dont get me wrong they overcome but it seems to take longer than strikers adapting to grappling

 

[A2DaK**]

Your opinion don't count. Look at your screen name. Straight up bias with no fact.

And Igor Vovchanchyn who was a Boxer proved your idiotic bias opinion wrong when he destroyed World Class BJJ grappler Adilson Lima in a 1995 Russian match. Lima trained under Ryan Gracie.

People like you forget that styles don't only matter. Alot of times it is about who has the better skills and who can execute that skill the best.

BJJ don't mean shit when your opponent is extremely explosive with power and speed.


Look at how Tank Abbott destroyed Hugo Duerta (Vale Tudo) and Tank was not even quick but powerful as hell.

Tyson would have no MMA experience and therefore would be worried about the take down which would totally throw his striking game off or Tyson wouldn't be worried about going to the ground which in turn would make the take down even easier. Because power and speed don't mean as much as skill.
And when has Igor ever won a fight against a top ten fighter? The answer is never.

 

[consortium11]

that's the kind of thing that most people don't understand, no one is "impossible to take down", some people are harder but EVERYFUCKING ONE goes down at one point or other even if a "pullin guard" is needed and that's where Jiu Jitsu still making the difference. Crocop vs nogueira for example.

Jiu Jitsu is the best base.

lhw champ - jiu jitsu
ww champ - jiu jitsu/karate
mw champ - muay thai but also trained jiu jitsu since started mma
lhw champ - trained mma whole life but more focused in no gi jiu jitsu
hw true champ is nogueira - jiu jitsu

Some people make the argument that Jiu Jitsu is "easier" to learn when you are older, so people should focus in a strike/wrestling base. But you will never become a top grappler if you first had an wrestling trainament, Wrestling gives you STRENGHT and EXPLOSION but also give you HARD HIPS and POOR FLEXIBILITY, Wrestlers will hardly become good grapplers especially when playing on their backs. I think you gotta choose between TOP WRESTLING or TOP BJJ skill to have and i sicnerelly choose TOP BJJ...

BTW there's only 1 fighter that i can remeber that has top wrestling and top BJJ game and that's Arona, he's a miracle of genetic.

Mark Kerr (one of the greatest sub-grapplers ever) thinks you're wrong, as does Jeff Monson, another top sub grappler.

 

[Fixation****]

I think without a doubt it would be Boxing or other striking arts if i were to pick any single style to start with. The reason why i pick that isn't becasue a boxer by itself would beat a wrestler or BJJer becasue they wouldn't. It's the fact that they have something that you can't teach most people and that's being a fighter and having a fighters heart. This is something i see lacking with so many top grapplers i see coming into MMA and other grapplers in mma. Is this to say that all grapplers don't have heart of course not, but it's impossible to make it to the elite level in boxing without at least a very soild heart. Another thing that gets weeded out in boxing is weak chins. you can make it all the way to the upper levels in the UFC before you truely get your chin tested if your a soild fighter. I think think of many top level fighters in MMA that are either scared to get hit or have weak chins.


The thing is No top boxer would ever want to come to MMA becasue they get paid 10-100 times more to box. Of course as mma grows and boxing dies off we'll see more true fighters in mma

good points, i see where you are going with. Boxers are also the most conditioned of any other specific martial art.

The main problem with boxers.... You spend your entire career fighting waste up... hard habit to break.

 

[etienne]

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