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You ever had a Twix bar pal??No to everything you said TS.
How bout instead of that chocolate bar or hamburger a fighter eats a salad instead?
You ever had a Twix bar pal??No to everything you said TS.
How bout instead of that chocolate bar or hamburger a fighter eats a salad instead?
If a fighter chooses to not cut weight and fight someone who is cutting tho that’s their choice. Cerrone knew he went up a weight class and would be fighting bigger guys. Same With couture moving to heavy weight. Rumble I’ll give you since he should’ve never been fighting st ww, but he was making weight there for a few fights and got forced to move up.It’s a health issue. Extreme dehydration can have significant negative health effects. Several fighters have even died.
It isn’t just sherdoggers, athletic commissions discuss the issue and potential solutions. The amateur wrestling community has taken steps to address it as well. For example:
“Wrestlers who violate NCAA weight certification protocols, use prohibited weight-loss practices or commit a severe weigh-in or medical examination violation will face stiffer penalties in the 2017-18 season.
The NCAA Playing Rules Oversight Panel approved a penalty change that requires a wrestler to miss eight consecutive competitions for a first offense in those areas and to sit out a year for a second offense.
Wrestlers found to be in violation also would be required to recertify their weight at some point during the suspension period. Examples of violations covered under this rule include urine manipulation during weight assessments; use of rubber suits, saunas, diuretics or intravenous rehydration; and skin check forgery or deception.
Additionally, the team’s coach and the director of athletics will receive private reprimands for the first offense. If a second offense occurs, additional institutional penalties will be determined by the rules committee.
The weight management rules were established to protect the health and safety of the participants in the sport. Wrestlers can lose up to 1.5 percent of their body weight per week. The rules are in place to ensure student-athletes maintain a slow descent toward their competition weight classification.“
A lot of fighters would much rather not have to cut weight, but feel the need to because otherwise they would be fighting much larger opponents.
Not to mention the optics of fights like Cerrone vs Till, Rumble vs Yoshida, Couture vs Lesnar, etc. Fans want fair fights and that’s why there are weight classes in the first place.
I believe these type of steps are inevitable (as well as more strict concussion-prevention protocols).
The system is fine. Fighters have plenty of time to rehydrate. I weigh in 24 hours before my fight while ufc fighters have a day and a half. I never understood why sherdoggers care so much about how much a fighter cuts. If they make weight, then there’s no problems. If someone repeatedly misses, then force him to move up.
Fighters have been cutting weight forever. Almost every fighter does it and you don’t hear them all complaining. We don’t need to change everything all of a sudden.
I like points 2-4.1. New weight classes
285 - Heavyweight
225 - Cruiserweight
205 - Light Heavyweight
195 - Super Middleweight
185 - Middleweight
175 - Welterweight
165 - Super Lightweight
155 - Lightweight
145 - Featherweight
135 - Bantamweight
125 - Flyweight
115 - Strawweight
105 - Atomweight
2. Body Composition Testing
Calculate which weight classes individual fighters are eligible to compete in based on height, weight, body fat percentage, etc.
If any champions were no longer eligible to compete in their current weight class they would be stripped of their belt, but receive an immediate title shot in their new division.
3. Fight Day Weigh-ins
4. Fight Day Hydration Testing
Fines for minor infractions and potential fight cancellation for significant test failures.
Thoughts?
Too complicated, won't work.
My proposal would only add an additional 3 weight classes: 165, 195 and 225. Welterweight would simply get bumped up to 175 and the Heavyweight would jump up to 285.I like points 2-4.
I don't think there you be enough competition to sustain a 285 lb weight class, maybe 250? I think 10 lb increments is a good idea but I fear it would water down the importance of belts even more that WME has already done, I honestly don't have a better answer though.
Men’s divisions would go from the current 8 to 11 total under my proposal. More champions = more stars for the promotion and more opportunities for fighters. Having 10 pound intervals also makes ‘superfights’ more likely because of the relatively small jump for lighter champions.More weight classes is the answer??? Let's water down even more divisions. Might as well make it like boxing with belts every 7 pounds from 4 different organizations. That worked out well for them didn't it?
I look at the current MM situation ; great fighter in an exceptionally shallow weight class, and he refuses to exit that weight class to take on more interesting fights. Do we really want to have more champions doing this kind of stuff and having potentially amazing fights locked away because of super small weigh class increments?
1. New weight classes
285 - Heavyweight
225 - Cruiserweight
205 - Light Heavyweight
195 - Super Middleweight
185 - Middleweight
175 - Welterweight
165 - Super Lightweight
155 - Lightweight
145 - Featherweight
135 - Bantamweight
125 - Flyweight
115 - Strawweight
105 - Atomweight
2. Body Composition Testing
Calculate which weight classes individual fighters are eligible to compete in based on height, weight, body fat percentage, etc.
If any champions were no longer eligible to compete in their current weight class they would be stripped of their belt, but receive an immediate title shot in their new division.
3. Fight Day Weigh-ins
4. Fight Day Hydration Testing
Fines for minor infractions and potential fight cancellation for significant test failures.
Thoughts?
Men’s divisions would go from the current 8 to 11 total under my proposal. More champions = more stars for the promotion and more opportunities for fighters. Having 10 pound intervals also makes ‘superfights’ more likely because of the relatively small jump for lighter champions.
Most of the divisions that it would effect have plenty of depth. LW, WW and MW are almost always in the discussion of most stacked weight classes.
I look at the current MM situation ; great fighter in an exceptionally shallow weight class, and he refuses to exit that weight class to take on more interesting fights. Do we really want to have more champions doing this kind of stuff and having potentially amazing fights locked away because of super small weigh class increments?
I'm not a fighter so whatever I say should be taken as just the ramblings of a fan, but fighters keep on talking about wanting huge money for fighting. Then I think it's time that fighters start acting like professional athletes and start keeping themselves in shape year round. Of course people will go up and down in weight, but guys blowing up 30-40 pounds between fights is absurd. They have no real other option than to risk their health making those weight cuts and it's silly.
I also have no issue with weigh-ins on the day of the fight, but I would also add a + / - 3 Lb allowance and keep the weight classes as they are right now. The 3Lb allowance gives the fighters some wiggle room for the fight-day weigh in so they don't have to starve or dehydrate. Specific gravity tests should be conducted on urine to ensure fighters are hydrated.... if not cancel the fight... after guys keep on losing their paycheck because they're coming in dehydrated or overweight I guarantee they'll start playing the game the way the rules state. It would be nice to see these fighters perform at their peak rather than after putting themselves through such a horrible weight-cut the day before the fight. No matter how you slice it that weight cut takes something out of the fighters and we're seeing lackluster fights because of it.
Just my $.02 but it's what I would rather see. My big issue with the current situation is why does the 170Lb champion weigh ~200Lbs on every single day except for the weigh in? Why not just fight at LHW? It's not impossible to make broad changes though it would obviously take a short period of adjustment where basically everybody would need to move up at least one weight class, if not more.
No to everything you said TS.
How bout instead of that chocolate bar or hamburger a fighter eats a salad instead?
Mighty Mouse is a weird example because he is fighting at the lowest weight class in the UFC and could probably cut another 5-10 pounds if it were an option. So he is possibly already fighting up a weight class higher than he has to. Being the smallest champion the extra ten pounds is also a disproportionate percentage of his body weight compared to others, making it a more significant factor if he were to move up (remember how much bigger Cruz was when they fought?).
Also if MM were just to have stayed at BW we would have seen him fight TJ, but it wouldn’t have been considered a ‘Superfight’, just a good fight between top contenders.
I personally just feel fans are too entitled. There has only ever been TWO Champion vs Champion fights in UFC history and only 3 people to have one two different titles. It is rare and that is what makes it special. Don’t expect them to happen all the time, just be grateful when they fall into place.
Also additional weight classes with smaller increments means there is more potential for those types of fights. Conor would certainly move up to fight someone like Khabib or RDA at 165, but less likely to fight Woodley at 170 for instance. Bisping would be able to move up to 195 against Rockhold instead of having to fight a much larger DC.
A fucking 3 pound allowance? That would lead to even more fucking fighters trying to cut weight because now they only have to make 188 instead of 185. Get that fucking shit out of here.
Leave fighters alone. If a guy can perform at a weight class, let him be. If he misses weight twice, give him a 2 year ban that is enforced by every athletic commission
1. New weight classes
285 - Heavyweight
225 - Cruiserweight
205 - Light Heavyweight
195 - Super Middleweight
185 - Middleweight
175 - Welterweight
165 - Super Lightweight
155 - Lightweight
145 - Featherweight
135 - Bantamweight
125 - Flyweight
115 - Strawweight
105 - Atomweight
2. Body Composition Testing
Calculate which weight classes individual fighters are eligible to compete in based on height, weight, body fat percentage, etc.
If any champions were no longer eligible to compete in their current weight class they would be stripped of their belt, but receive an immediate title shot in their new division.
3. Fight Day Weigh-ins
4. Fight Day Hydration Testing
Fines for minor infractions and potential fight cancellation for significant test failures.
Thoughts?