Am i missing something?

[Fedora Millionankles]

Basically, they're snowflake crybabies because they believe that OMG ROIDS AND JUICE make you a better boxer, wrestler, fighter, grappler, etc. And they think that if you have real life problems, it means you're a bad person despite all these people themselves also having real life problems. I know they're going to have something to say about this post because they're guilty and know it. So they'll say anything to protect their own psyche. Just watch...

Yea, people don’t take steroids to get an advantage, because steroids don’t make you better at anything, right? Fucking dumbass.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

It's egregious considering Stipe hasn't won a fight in over 4 years and hasn't fought in well over 3. It would be less comical if this fight actually happened last year. Pav was the replacement for a long while, and sure enough, when Jones dropped out, Stipe tucked tail. Had he stepped up to fight Pav, none of this would be an issue; he either would have demonstrated he's still viable or shown he's not a contender anymore. Tom stepped in, won the interim title, making him the de jur #1 contender.

Tom v Jon is the fight to make

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Problem is the atrocious posters in here. It is common sense and a little research and pragmatism.

If you look at the issue objectively Jones did not chose Stipe over Tom Aspinall. The fight was already booked before tom was actually in the picture. That is the fact. Now they want Jones to break a contract/agreement to fight Tom over Stipe.

I can understand when they say they do not want to see the fight and want jones to break his agreement and fight Tom, that is logical, but the foolishness written here is ridiculous.

The problem is the fight WAS booked and fell through. There is an interim belt in place that is about to be defended before the official title. And Jon is still openly refusing to do anything other than rebook against stipe. On top of that, he's even been extremely open about wanting to fight Pereria before Tom which is fucking ridiculous. Being openly against unifying the belt is wild.

I just think Jon shouldn't be able to sit on the belt while inactive AGAIN. This is a terrible trend that has become too common in champions since McGregor started this money fight era bullshit.

Want to fight old man Stipe to get an easy win over a recognizable name? Go ahead. Just don't do it at the expense of the division. I'm tired of champs picking and choosing money fights and stagnating the division

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

It's egregious considering Stipe hasn't won a fight in over 4 years and hasn't fought in well over 3. It would be less comical if this fight actually happened last year. Pav was the replacement for a long while, and sure enough, when Jones dropped out, Stipe tucked tail. Had he stepped up to fight Pav, none of this would be an issue; he either would have demonstrated he's still viable or shown he's not a contender anymore. Tom stepped in, won the interim title, making him the de jur #1 contender.

Tom v Jon is the fight to make

It shouldn't be necessary to state the obvious like this but the mma community continues to disappoint

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Jones nearly lost to Thiago Santos then lost to Dominick Reyes. He decided to sit out once he realized he was lucky to get the nod against Reyes and waited for the opportunity to arise to get a favorable matchup for a title at HW. Now much like GSP after he beat Bisping he wants nothing to do with any contender.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Salty? About what? I have no skin in the game at all lol and I actually like Jones

Jones is refusing to fight the interim champ. That is answer enough for why he should have given it up.

Why is Stipe getting a title shot after a 3 year layoff coming off a loss?

Jones has reached the point in his career where he is just looking for easy matchups for good money that could also improve his legacy. Much like what GSP did with the Bisping fight. Jones doesn't give 1 shit about defending against contenders and is holding the belt hostage, the UFC is giving Jones what he wants because he's one of their biggest stars. I'd be fine with it if Jones didn't have the belt but since he does he should either defend against the interim champ or retire.

Stipe will be 42 years old and hasn't won a fight in 4 years, he also didn't even look like he wanted the fight when it was interviewed after Jones beat Gane.

 

[RedDevilFan]

The problem is the fight WAS booked and fell through. There is an interim belt in place that is about to be defended before the official title. And Jon is still openly refusing to do anything other than rebook against stipe. On top of that, he's even been extremely open about wanting to fight Pereria before Tom which is fucking ridiculous. Being openly against unifying the belt is wild.

I just think Jon shouldn't be able to sit on the belt while inactive AGAIN. This is a terrible trend that has become too common in champions since McGregor started this money fight era bullshit.

Want to fight old man Stipe to get an easy win over a recognizable name? Go ahead. Just don't do it at the expense of the division. I'm tired of champs picking and choosing money fights and stagnating the division

Again, lets go over the facts and not the fiction. Jones does not have the authority to rebook fights, that is the job of the UFC. He got injured and the fight was postponed, the UFC did not want to strip him for that injury and that is on the UFC.

For clarity, again, What the people in here want is for Jones to break his pervious contractual agreement to Stipe. The idea he wanted an easier fight with Stipe over Tom is also not plausible because that fight was already agreed upon before Tom was even a contender. He was no where in the picture when that initial fight was made.


Lets look at the facts again about Stipe:

Dana white already stated that the interim fight was not offered to Stipe and that offering him the interim belt would be insulting to his status as the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time. It is also not Jones job to make or promote fighters because they are crying about their place on the line. He has no obligation to Tom to try to push the UFC to rebook a fight for him nor is he obligated to cut or sever ties from a previous agreement and one he had not fullfilled by getting injured.Jon Jones is not Toms management. Also, him wanting to possibly fight Alex has no bearing on the issue of his fight with Stipe and the facts surrounding that fight. Stipe does want the fight and he has made it clear.

This is not hard to follow.

 

[ryun253]

Idk, but when is Jones vs Stipe scheduled?

 

[Dr brakestick]

Lol how is it a duck...

Who has Aspinall beat really? ..

How does he stack up to Stipe Opponent wise...

Its not even close man...

I'm sure Tom is the guy to beat Jones right? Just like Gane was and is the Future of the HW division and there's no way Jones will beat him ..hes too small to compete with such a big HW ..ETC...

Stipe is probably the more entertaining fight , then Tom vs Jones anyways... Too many people sleeping on Stipe who BTW rocked Ngannou seconds before getting clipped himself

Who has Aspinall beat? Who has Jones beat at heavyweight! Tom has a more impressive heavyweight resume than jones. But I do think Jones is doing a very good job of selling this fight if it ever happens. He's a good troll online and I'm a Brit but Jones media game is strong!

 

[Spath]

Ts wrote: ”you dont have the strength of schedule..”

Stipe schedule last 3 years:

Jones schedule last 3 years: Gane,

Aspinall schedule last 3 years: Spivac, Volkov, Tybura, Pavlovich (all finishes in the first round)

 

[Domitian]

I can't wait for when Blaydes knocks Tom out and Sherdoggers melt.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Again, lets go over the facts and not the fiction. Jones does not have the authority to rebook fights, that is the job of the UFC. He got injured and the fight was postponed, the UFC did not want to strip him for that injury and that is on the UFC.

For clarity, again, What the people in here want is for Jones to break his pervious contractual agreement to Stipe. The idea he wanted an easier fight with Stipe over Tom is also not plausible because that fight was already agreed upon before Tom was even a contender. He was no where in the picture when that initial fight was made.


Lets look at the facts again about Stipe:

Dana white already stated that the interim fight was not offered to Stipe and that offering him the interim belt would be insulting to his status as the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time. It is also not Jones job to make or promote fighters because they are crying about their place on the line. He has no obligation to Tom to try to push the UFC to rebook a fight for him nor is he obligated to cut or sever ties from a previous agreement and one he had not fullfilled by getting injured.Jon Jones is not Toms management. Also, him wanting to possibly fight Alex has no bearing on the issue of his fight with Stipe and the facts surrounding that fight. Stipe does want the fight and he has made it clear.

This is not hard to follow.

Here's a fact you keep lying about. "Breaking the contract" is the term you keep using. There is no contract. It feel through. But you keep pretending it still exists by throwing in "agreement" as if that means anything.

Jones, the champ, is not contracted to fight anyone.

Aslonall, the interim champ, is free to sign a contract.

It doesn't get much easier to understand than that, regardless if whatever bullshit you try to pull out of your ass in your reply to this about what contacts were signed on the past, cuz they don't exist now. They are fictional, because they do not, in fact, exist

 

[Tweak896]

Jones will defend against Stipe and retire or continue against Aspinall. I don't understand what the big deal is. HW is always cursed and no champ seems to be able to remain consistent. I don't have faith in Aspinall either after he's already shown to be injury prone against Blaydes. If Jones is still hungry and healthy he most likely would beat Aspinall. Also he's never been injured like he is now, so it's unfair to strip him.

 

[RedDevilFan]

Here's a fact you keep lying about. "Breaking the contract" is the term you keep using. There is no contract. It feel through. But you keep pretending it still exists by throwing in "agreement" as if that means anything.

Jones, the champ, is not contracted to fight anyone.

Aslonall, the interim champ, is free to sign a contract.

It doesn't get much easier to understand than that, regardless if whatever bullshit you try to pull out of your ass in your reply to this about what contacts were signed on the past, cuz they don't exist now. They are fictional, because they do not, in fact, exist

An oral contract/agreement is a type of contract that is agreed to via spoken communication, but not written down and signed. Hence the reason, the term agreement and yes it is an agreement. Nothing fell through, it was postponed because of an injury. The card fell through but the agreement still stands and the fight was rebooked. It happens all the time in MMA and is not unusual or hard to understand. Jones made an agreement and is making good on that verbal agreement to fight Stipe.

Stop posting to me.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

An oral contract/agreement is a type of contract that is agreed to via spoken communication, but not written down and signed. Hence the reason, the term agreement and yes it is an agreement. Nothing fell through, it was postponed because of an injury. The card fell through but the agreement still stands and the fight was rebooked. It happens all the time in MMA and is not unusual or hard to understand. Jones made an agreement and is making good on that verbal agreement to fight Stipe.

Stop posting to me.

There is no legal obligation for a fighter to commit to a verbally discussed fight. Until a date is booked for an event there is literally no fight. Khabib Nurmagomedov was verbally promised a fight with Eddie Alvarez and Nate Diaz. The fights never happened because the other party did not commit to the verbal agreement and instead requested other fights.

Jon has absolute control of who he fights while no contract is in place and has openly stated that he would fight Stipe and Pereria before aspinal. There is no contract in place for either fighter. You're blatantly lying to fit your narrative.

This is the second time that he has straight up stalled out a division for over a year.

 

[mangokush]

The UFC is just giving Jones softballs at HW like No ground game Gane and now old Stipe coming off a KO loss as it seems they don't believe he can beat the top contenders

Shame that the UFC seems to be protecting Jones from the top contenders at HW like Tom

They need to have more faith that Jones could beat Tom, they shouldn't be protecting him, Jones is capable of beating those top contenders but it is strange the UFC doesn't think so

 

[RedDevilFan]

There is no legal obligation for a fighter to commit to a verbally discussed fight. Until a date is booked for an event there is literally no fight. Khabib Nurmagomedov was verbally promised a fight with Eddie Alvarez and Nate Diaz. The fights never happened because the other party did not commit to the verbal agreement and instead requested other fights.

Jon has absolute control of who he fights while no contract is in place and has openly stated that he would fight Stipe and Pereria before aspinal. There is no contract in place for either fighter. You're blatantly lying to fit your narrative.

This is the second time that he has straight up stalled out a division for over a year.

We already went over the legal binding affect of oral contracts/agreements. Jon is honoring that previous contract he made. Jones can break his oral contractual agreement and fight someone else as he could break an actual signed contract but he did not and that is what he is going to do and honor it and fight Stipe.

Him being obligated has no binding on the conversation of Aspinall. No one said he would be sued for not honoring his contractual agreements. He gave his word to Stipe and will honor it rather than throw the Stipe fight in the garbage and fight someone else. A kid who is crying about his place on the line.

I respect that and he is honoring his word and agreement fighting stipe. Yes, if he went against his word he would be breaking a previous agreement.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

The UFC is just giving Jones softballs at HW like No ground game Gane and now old Stipe coming off a KO loss as it seems they don't believe he can beat the top contenders

Shame that the UFC seems to be protecting Jones from the top contenders at HW like Tom

They need to have more faith that Jones could beat Tom, they shouldn't be protecting him, Jones is capable of beating those top contenders but it is strange the UFC doesn't think so

U dont really believe this do you....according to Sherdog Gane was the one...now its Tom? Lol ..

What softballs has Jones ever fought lol he's been champion longer then most peoples UFC careers lol he's never had easy matches..he just makes it look that way ...

Id laugh if they do Tom vs Gane and Gane smokes Tom ...that would be almost poetic...

Anyways.. Jones will fight Stipe ...as it should be .
Tom is perfect position to be in either a huge fight or Hw champion by default

 

[arcadeperfect]

Why would Jones have to give up his title? Why is being punished for getting hurt? Lol ... That he has to be forced to keep it when he was the undefeated long reigning LHW champion, and now HW champion... Many champions have been given the chance to recover from injury and keep their belts... U sound salty

Jiri and Jamahal both vacated their belts after they were injured.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Why the fuck is everyone having such a hard time with this Jon Jones situation...


Its not hard

Jones was the undefeated LHW champion and king...he moved up to HW and destroyed the last title challenger in Gane in under 20 seconds..the same Gane the last HW champion needed 5 rounds to beat...

Jones then wanted to fight Stipe who was the longest reigning HW champion when you consider number of title defenses... And was champion before Ngannou he even beat Ngannou the first time around...with a clinic of type performance after starting off rough...

Unfortunately Jones got injured and the fight that was signed to happen between Stipe and Jones was sidelined ..


The UFC in haste to save a PPV card decided to make a interim title fight with two random Contenders in which tom aspinall won and won impressively..

With all that said .. Jones is still the real champion and there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't fight Stipe next as arranged before the injury and then fight Tom...Tom is there for unification bout and that will happen for sure for his next fight...however... he's next fight isnt Jones...it cant be ...because the Stipe fight is the fight on the table for both Jones and Stipe...they both want it and both have major historical presence in the sport vs "interim" champion Aspinall...


Quite simply put...Tom Aspinall and his fans need to be quiet for abit as the Grown ups/ Big kids ( Jones and Stipe) are talking and playing first...you dont have the strength of schedule.. opponent or historical dominance to be posturing for a fight ahead of Jones vs Stipe...plus Tom has the golden ticket with the interim title no matter what the dude will be fighting for the real title in his next fight...


It is what it is - Max Holloway would agree..so should you

If you're going to use Gane as a measuring stick for Jones, then I can use Sergei for Tom. Sergei managed to completely demolish Lewis and Tuivasa in less than 2 minutes combined whereas Gane needed 3 rounds for each. Not only that, Tom also finished Volkov effortlessly in 1 round whereas Gane needed to go the distance. What the hell is the point of an interim champion, if it's not an automatic title shot? The whole point of that belt is so that they are unified as soon as the undisputed champion is able to come back.