Are you getting ready?

[DrunkenMastur]

I'm learning who the prepared people are around me and what they have stockpiled. all i have to do when SHTF is kill them and i'm set.

*reclines*

 

[oFUNGUSo]

sort of preparing.....well, my intent has been to prepare, but im not following up enough.

i have a semi complete BOB ready to go. a month worth of water and vacuum packed dried food stuffs.

have 1000 rounds of 9mm for my pistol
about 50 roungs for my shotgun

still need to buy a lot more ammo, and i really want to get a rifle and a second pistol (something smaller for my wife) but the money just isnt there

 

[Roaming East]

Sorry if I lost the thread and waxed philosophical.

IME, "survival" in a civil collapse depends on securing water, food and fuel, in that order. Physical security can be a concern, depending on the circumstances, but you'll need those other three to survive, presuming you already have shelter.

How many people who are "getting ready" for civil unrest are stockpiling hundreds of liters of water and diesel fuel? I'd venture to guess little-to-none. It's logistically easier, more romantic and appeals to the psyche to stockpile guns and ammo and non perishable foods. If someone's just doing this, then he's almost just as fucked as the next guy. This is just playing at personal security theatre, just like the TSA engages in security theatre at the airport.

The end of the world, motherfucker, you not ready.

Depends on where you live. Down south where i live, water is in abundance and Diesel will store for about 6 months before the algae destroys it. Gasoline last a little longer but unless you have professional storage devices you can expect your gasoline to turn sour once you hit a year old.

Stockpiling heavy, expensive bulky items like fuel is awesome if you only expect to need it for a season. After that, its mostly useless and just eating up space better served by stocking other, less perishable items.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Potable water is not abundant in nature. You have to some how purify it some how. I believe our ancestors used alcohol for this purpose. So know the in and out of brewing alcohol is a necessary long term survival skill. It can be used to sterilize, and start fires. It was something the ancient athenians could do, and since they had no modern technology, we can do it too when TEOTWAWKI occurs. I imagine we would devolve into something like Ancient Athens.

 

[Roaming East]

Potable water is not abundant in nature. You have to some how purify it some how. I believe our ancestors used alcohol for this purpose. So know the in and out of brewing alcohol is a necessary long term survival skill. It can be used to sterilize, and start fires. It was something the ancient athenians could do, and since they had no modern technology, we can do it too when TEOTWAWKI occurs. I imagine we would devolve into something like Ancient Athens.

Our ancient ancestors also had no concept of bacteria. Even the most ignorant person today is aware that you boil water before you drink it. And if you are unable to start a fire than any other pretense to 'surviving' is delusion. Like i said, it depends on where you live.

 

[00 Buck]

I'm learning who the prepared people are around me and what they have stockpiled. all i have to do when SHTF is kill them and i'm set.

*reclines*

People are suspicious and selfish as hell during those times. Good luck!

 

[D Train]

I'm learning who the prepared people are around me and what they have stockpiled. all i have to do when SHTF is kill them and i'm set.

*reclines*

Please tell me this isn't your plan.

 

[crash90]

I have prepared a slight bit. I am completely aware that if SHTF where I am located I need to get out.

I am currently in a small city in Montana. My current plan is to make my way to another town about 2.5 hrs away via Interstate. The town is the county seat of where I worked as the intern attorney for the county last summer. The general plan is to hook up with the attorney's office and the sherrif's office. The plan from there is to set up some type of emergency government.

The problem will be getting there. Best I can figure is that it is likely a 1-2 week hike from my current location to there. I will have to pass around at least 1 major population center. Furthermore, I am not familiar with how to reach the other town w/o using the Interstate.

The other fight will be my girlfriend and her son. Her son is about my age (I am 27 he is 23) and she is in her early 40's. Her family (whom I love) live just down the road from us. Both her parents are very fit but the mother has Lupis and would/may not be able to leave. She would at best slow us down very much. I am not sure that my girlfriend would leave them there.

I currently am well armed for the trip. I have a AR-15 w/ 500 rounds of ammo. A 20 ga w/ about 100 rounds of ammo. A 9mm with roughly 100 rounds of ammo. A .308 with about 20 rounds of ammo.

I do not have any dried or "hike" food at the moment. That will be fixed shortly.

Clothing/other hiking supplies - Not ready.

 

[WhiskeyPunch]

Glad I live in Texas.

 

[hunto]

Glad I live in Texas.

+ 1000. Texas is the greatest country on Earth.

Srsly, which other state has fought wars with other countries, by itself? (Mexico)

Oh, and we won!

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I find this thread fascinating. I had never occured to me that some people were actually preparing for a thing like that.

But it got me thinking: if you assume that by definition 99% of the people will be unprepaired, it means that these people will be willing to do nasty things to take away the stuff that prepared people have. Ok so you have to arm yourself. But let's say you're the only one in your neighborhood with fresh water/food and everyone knows. I think that whatever the arsenal that you have you won't be able to hold off starving mobs very long.

Also what about epidemics ? Basically I think in a city you are fucked.

So you need to escape humans as much as you can. But even if you live in a tiny little hous in the middle of a forest, eventually you will be found and you're fucked again.

Honestly, I think the only way to not be fucked is to group and organise in an isolated community with bad-ass fences somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and have people specialise in agriculture, some others in raising cattle, some others in medicine, some others in engineering, etc. And of course to organise that community in some sort of army, able to defend itself.

 

[jlagman]

I find this thread fascinating. I had never occured to me that some people were actually preparing for a thing like that.

But it got me thinking: if you assume that by definition 99% of the people will be unprepaired, it means that these people will be willing to do nasty things to take away the stuff that prepared people have. Ok so you have to arm yourself. But let's say you're the only one in your neighborhood with fresh water/food and everyone knows. I think that whatever the arsenal that you have you won't be able to hold off starving mobs very long.

Also what about epidemics ? Basically I think in a city you are fucked.

So you need to escape humans as much as you can. But even if you live in a tiny little hous in the middle of a forest, eventually you will be found and you're fucked again.

Honestly, I think the only way to not be fucked is to group and organise in an isolated community with bad-ass fences somewhere in the middle of nowhere, and have people specialise in agriculture, some others in raising cattle, some others in medicine, some others in engineering, etc. And of course to organise that community in some sort of army, able to defend itself.

 

[Flexwave2003]

I have been slowly adding to my stock pile for sometime now, but could always use more. Mainly rations, medical supplies. I regret getting rid of my AK47 variant, as in its place I have picked up a 30-30 on the way and ammunition is absurdly expensive for that rifle compared to the 7.62 rounds. Will likely attempt to pick up an AK before its all said and done in the near future.

I dont know if shit will ever hit the fan, but if it does, I will be ready.

 

[Articplatypus]

I got my weapons. I just dont have any medical or food supplies stockpiled encase of emergency. That's alright though, i don't want to live forever.

But what do you guys think is best. Rolling with a group or going solo?

 

[Rod1]

Wow Americans are freaking dellusional.

I live in Mexico where drug violence escalated from 62 drug murders in 2006 to 15,273 in 2010. And i dont see such scenarios as close.

The heck, sure there are major world natural disasters that could hit, like a meteor or a decepticon invasion, but for the most part it involves more people being good to each other and functioning members of society being more than the bad ones.

Also why are Americans thinking their economy is collapsing? at most it will take some government pampering of the really fucked up people to calm people.

When people are met their basic needs, they really become too lazy to revolt, the problem is that America has such a hostage mentality, its incredibly that the majority are voting to benefit a minority, still economic disparity is nowhere near as big as Mexico and Mexico has not collapsed yet.

 

[crash90]

I really enjoy the reviews that nutn performs. However his political/philosophical/SHTF talks are at best nonsensical. He tends to use a 20/20 hind sight analysis. He often takes events that happen and then says "SEE! I TOLD YOU!". Unfortunately, most of the time he tends to be way off in analysis or he is modling what happened to what he wants.

I would avoid nutn for any SHTF. For SHTF I would stick with known sources and not some youtube guru.

 

[Articplatypus]

O and by the way if it was a true shtf scenario i would make my way to a secluded mountain area in south america where those lama dudes in panchos hang out.

 

[HYBRID_CFC]

I really enjoy the reviews that nutn performs. However his political/philosophical/SHTF talks are at best nonsensical. He tends to use a 20/20 hind sight analysis. He often takes events that happen and then says "SEE! I TOLD YOU!". Unfortunately, most of the time he tends to be way off in analysis or he is modling what happened to what he wants.

I would avoid nutn for any SHTF. For SHTF I would stick with known sources and not some youtube guru.

+1. What would NUTN know about SHTF? lol.

If you are interested in following someone's experiences with actual, current SHTF scenarios, I would head over to FerFal's blogs, Surviving Argentina and The Modern Survivalist.

 

[jlagman]

I really enjoy the reviews that nutn performs. However his political/philosophical/SHTF talks are at best nonsensical. He tends to use a 20/20 hind sight analysis. He often takes events that happen and then says "SEE! I TOLD YOU!". Unfortunately, most of the time he tends to be way off in analysis or he is modling what happened to what he wants.

I would avoid nutn for any SHTF. For SHTF I would stick with known sources and not some youtube guru.

This is one of his videos I happen to agree with though, good luck evacuating and bugging out, everyone's going to try that and end up getting clustered together in traffic, making no progress.

 

[krait]

Wow Americans are freaking dellusional.

I live in Mexico where drug violence escalated from 62 drug murders in 2006 to 15,273 in 2010. And i dont see such scenarios as close.

The heck, sure there are major world natural disasters that could hit, like a meteor or a decepticon invasion, but for the most part it involves more people being good to each other and functioning members of society being more than the bad ones.

Also why are Americans thinking their economy is collapsing? at most it will take some government pampering of the really fucked up people to calm people.

When people are met their basic needs, they really become too lazy to revolt, the problem is that America has such a hostage mentality, its incredibly that the majority are voting to benefit a minority, still economic disparity is nowhere near as big as Mexico and Mexico has not collapsed yet.

You should watch "To Big to Fail" to see how close and precarious a world economy really is. And after seiing that look at what is happening in Europe right now.

If Greece folds then Spain and Italy will probally topple right after that. Followed by many of the other smaller countries. Its a snow ball effect.

Look on a small scale what happened in New Orleans when the government was not present. Imagine what happens when a country gets told " Oh yeah anyone that works for the government won't get paid this month. And all the social serivces we provide will also stop." The US came very close this year of not being able to fund itself and pay its military or any of its retirement benefits to vets.

To use your example also in Mexico. Who is the major cunsumer of the drugs causing the drug war in Mexico, the US. If the European economy collapses it will affect the US economy. Little johnny's dad lost now lost all his money in a hedge fund backed by Euorpean bonds and Johnny can't affford to snort up his dads money every weekend. Now you've got an even smaller consumer base for the armed cartels to fight over. Now that obscure problem happening in Greece is in your backyard.

Will it happen , I don't know. But CAN it happen , Yes.