B.J. Penn Was The First To Hold Two Belts Simultaneously ( Proof Inside )

I can't help but lol at you thinking I was serious.... Per you, BJ was defending his ufc belt outside the ufc, not even having LW fights... Equally hilarious.

While you may not of been serious there may have been some reading having the very thought you poked fun at as a serious notion.

I never once claimed B.J. defended the UFC Belt outside the UFC. I claimed he continue to fight and went undefeated at LW until 2010. I also claimed he became the #1 LW in the world and at one point was also ranked #1 P4P.

B.J. vs. Uno - 2003 - For the LW Championship

B.J. vs. Hughes - 2004 - For the WW Championship

The fights were not far apart.

Does anyone know if there was any other LW fights after B.J. vs Uno ? When did the UFC officially announce that the 155lb division was on hold ?
 
Bump to educate those that may have not known !
 
Conor holding two belts simultaneously was marketing nonsense. It doesn't put him ahead of any of the others who held belts in multiple divisions.

He was given an opportunity denied others who asked for it. Those others apparently still had work to do in their divisions, while Conor had no responsibilities at all.
 
Conor holding two belts simultaneously was marketing nonsense. It doesn't put him ahead of any of the others who held belts in multiple divisions.

He was given an opportunity denied others who asked for it. Those others apparently still had work to do in their divisions, while Conor had no responsibilities at all.

I agree 100 % ... It was all smoke and mirrors.
 
Conor holding two belts simultaneously was marketing nonsense. It doesn't put him ahead of any of the others who held belts in multiple divisions.

He was given an opportunity denied others who asked for it. Those others apparently still had work to do in their divisions, while Conor had no responsibilities at all.

the fans demanded it. ufc was giving us what we wanted.
 
He got special treatment. Therefore, he doesn't get special credit.

And I'm not so sure the fans demanded it.

no we, the conor nation, the millions and millions of mystic macs fans, demanded it. we would have boycotted if he hadnt got his chance. we would have ruined the ufc. dana knew better than to fuck with us and our hero.
 
the fans demanded it. ufc was giving us what we wanted.

MMA Fans were demanding to see Conor rematch Aldo or face Edgar ....... Not fight for the LW title while going 1-1 vs. Nate Diaz.

He got special treatment. Therefore, he doesn't get special credit.

And I'm not so sure the fans demanded it.

Conor is good fighter but a great self promoter. He had allot of favorable circumstances surrounding the majority of his big fights.
 
It existed, just not in the UFC. He became the UFC LW - Co Champion in 2003 and wasn't defeated at LW afterwards until 2010.

Tony Ferguson wasn’t defeated either, is he still the interim lightweight champ? How about Connor?
 
Everyone knows BJ was, but obviously they want the publicity, so they had to say McG was the guy...
Not just BJ either...under Conor Rules you NEVER have to defend a title. So any fighter or boxer who wins a belt and moves up weight classes and wins again without losing or defending is a multi-weight class champion. GSP, for example, is a two-weight champ under Conor Rules as well.
 
Conor holding two belts simultaneously was marketing nonsense. It doesn't put him ahead of any of the others who held belts in multiple divisions.

He was given an opportunity denied others who asked for it. Those others apparently still had work to do in their divisions, while Conor had no responsibilities at all.

You are speaking nonsense

Conor's run at FW was legit and he destroyed the long reigning champ while he was in his prime.

Conor beat the legit LW champ in his prime too - Alvarez who is one of the all time great LWs

Nothing you say can take away from the fact Conor destroyed 2 legit champions in their primes across 2 divisions

How was that marketing? How is that fake? It was marketing that allowed Conor to outclass Aldo and Alvarez ?

You sound like a bitter hater

If you are going to downplay Conor's 2 belt accomplishment then YOU CAN NEVER EVER praise Gsp for his.

Gsp was retired 4 years and came back to beat a handpicked Bisping for the belt.

If anything was "marketing" it was Gsp's 2nd belt

4 years retired and had never fought at MW before

Conor was am actual champion when he fought for the belt at a higher weight class

That would've been like Gsp WHILE WW champ beating Anderson at MW.

Conor's 2 belt accomplishment is actually the most relevant and significant in MMA history

You say "but if others had the chance"

BJ WAS given the chance and he failed miserably against Gsp

No one else had the balls to step up and try while they were champions themselves

Stop being so hateful toward Conor. Get rid of that negativity that consumes your life and you'll be a better person for it
 
I love BJ but in all honesty there is still no fighter in the UFC that has legitimately won and defended in two divisions at the same time.

Most likely never will be
 
You are speaking nonsense

Conor's run at FW was legit and he destroyed the long reigning champ while he was in his prime.

Conor beat the legit LW champ in his prime too - Alvarez who is one of the all time great LWs

Nothing you say can take away from the fact Conor destroyed 2 legit champions in their primes across 2 divisions

How was that marketing? How is that fake? It was marketing that allowed Conor to outclass Aldo and Alvarez ?

You sound like a bitter hater

Conor's win over Aldo was very impressive but it left allot to the imagination due to the fact it ended so quickly. Was it a lucky shot ... can he do it again. Aldo was undefeated for 10 years and the only FW UFC champion. Conor needed to rematch and solidify his win. We all seen UFC fights that ended quickly and the rematch was something completely different.

Conor's other big win at FW was against Mendes who fought Conor on very short notice without a fight camp. While it was still an impressive win it was a fight that had circumstances surrounding it that favored Conor. This fight also showed Conor's lack of ground game and that Mendes with a full camp could of potentially outworked Conor on the ground.

If you are going to downplay Conor's 2 belt accomplishment then YOU CAN NEVER EVER praise Gsp for his.

Gsp was retired 4 years and came back to beat a handpicked Bisping for the belt.

If anything was "marketing" it was Gsp's 2nd belt

4 years retired and had never fought at MW before

The difference here is GSP beat everyone in his division for years and retired as the WW champion. When you clean out a division and have as many title defenses at GSP has you have earned the right to challenge for the belt vs the champion in the above weight class.

Conor was am actual champion when he fought for the belt at a higher weight class

Conor shouldn't of been called champion at the time he fought for the LW belt. It was already his third consecutive fight out of the FW division. UFC only kept calling him champion so they can market a champion vs champion fight to sell more PPV.

That would've been like Gsp WHILE WW champ beating Anderson at MW.

Not exactly since GSP and Anderson both pretty much cleaned out their divisions. Conor on the other hand hasn't even defended once.

Conor's 2 belt accomplishment is actually the most relevant and significant in MMA history

Incorrect, it's just the one with the most lime light on it. Partly due to more watch MMA today then ever and partly because Conor is great at marketing himself + UFC ran with promoting him.

You say "but if others had the chance"

BJ WAS given the chance and he failed miserably against Gsp


Stop being so hateful toward Conor. Get rid of that negativity that consumes your life and you'll be a better person for it

Other's weren't giving the chance is a legit argument + B.J. didn't fail ... he did how ever couldn't get it done on his second attempt.[/quote]

What Conor did was great. Regardless of what circumstances surrounded his fights he still had to win those fights and he did just that. But lets not get carried away, he had plenty of favorable circumstances surrounding the majority of his big fights.

No one else had the balls to step up and try while they were champions themselves

Wait a second are you even reading what you type ? You just admitted to B.J. doing just that. Trying to win a second belt while champion. Plus there were others that wanted to but weren't allowed. For example .. Aldo.[/Quote]
 
I'd be willing to bet there is a good chance BJ himself would not recognize this accolade you're trying so hard to pin on him.
 
fact is Dan Henderson was the first person in UFC to hold two belts at the same time
 
Bump to educate those that may have not known !

who cares about being the UFC double champ during that time...meant nothing.

During BJ's prime Couture, Pulver, Busta then BJ all left with the UFC belt. The UFC belts were worthless back then. Their HW, MW, WW and LW champs all left. Actually Frank Shamrock left w the LHW belt so every belt was gone.



Him being double lineal champion was way more impressive. That's what made BJ so bad ass...He left the UFC to fight the best, bc the best had left.

Jens left w the UFC LW belt.....so the Uno vs BJ Penn belt was just a battle for 2nd place in the world belt. When Jens left the UFC he lost to Bang ludwing. at this time, ppl had either Gomi or Bang #1 in the world. BJ being the bad ass that he is, left the UFC and beat Gomi came back to the UFC and beat the #1 WW/#1 P4P fighter in Hughes, then left again to fight the guy that beat the lineal champion(jens) Bang Ludwing.


after the Bang win, every ranking system had BJ #1 LW and #1 WW. It wasn't up for debate.
 
While you may not of been serious there may have been some reading having the very thought you poked fun at as a serious notion.

I never once claimed B.J. defended the UFC Belt outside the UFC. I claimed he continue to fight and went undefeated at LW until 2010. I also claimed he became the #1 LW in the world and at one point was also ranked #1 P4P.

B.J. vs. Uno - 2003 - For the LW Championship

B.J. vs. Hughes - 2004 - For the WW Championship

The fights were not far apart.

Does anyone know if there was any other LW fights after B.J. vs Uno ? When did the UFC officially announce that the 155lb division was on hold ?

He was not the first. There are multiple sources that say the title remained vacant and the division was put on hiatus. Sean Sherk was the next champ, in 2006, and then he was stripped and Penn def. Stevenson at UFC 80 in 2008. Meanwhile, he lost the WW title due to being stripped May 17, 2004 when he left and went to K-1.

BJ vs Uno - Draw - no champion
BJ vs Hughes - 2004 - has 1 belt
Left UFC May 17, 2004 - No Belts (was never given one in the supposed co-champion fight)
BJ vs Stevenson - 2008 - has 1 belt again
Has been champion of 2 divisions but not at the same time.
 
who cares about being the UFC double champ during that time...meant nothing.

During BJ's prime Couture, Pulver, Busta then BJ all left with the UFC belt. The UFC belts were worthless back then. Their HW, MW, WW and LW champs all left. Actually Frank Shamrock left w the LHW belt so every belt was gone.



Him being double lineal champion was way more impressive. That's what made BJ so bad ass...He left the UFC to fight the best, bc the best had left.

Jens left w the UFC LW belt.....so the Uno vs BJ Penn belt was just a battle for 2nd place in the world belt. When Jens left the UFC he lost to Bang ludwing. at this time, ppl had either Gomi or Bang #1 in the world. BJ being the bad ass that he is, left the UFC and beat Gomi came back to the UFC and beat the #1 WW/#1 P4P fighter in Hughes, then left again to fight the guy that beat the lineal champion(jens) Bang Ludwing.


after the Bang win, every ranking system had BJ #1 LW and #1 WW. It wasn't up for debate.


To say being double champion at that time meant nothing is really harsh. UFC champions leaving only shows that UFC contracts have tightened up since the earlier days.

I did mention throughout the thread that B.J. was ranked #1 at LW at the time he beat Hughes for the WW belt.. Beating Gomi ect.

My point still stands .. B.J. was the first to do it and gets no credit for it.
 
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