BJJ vs Boxing?

[DanMMAleague]

Which art do you think is most relevant to MMA in 2019?

About 7 or 8 years ago it would have been the opinion that BJJ was definitely superior, striking is only about a third of the game and boxing is only part of that.

Now things have changed and strikers have become more popular, whilst elements of BJJ have become more and more sport nuanced and a lot of BJJ guys have come under fire for their conditioning.

What do you say?

 

[Ares Black]

They are both necessary.

 

[wilKO]

BJJ is more useful. If you take 2 guys without MMA experience and train 1 in BJJ and 1 in boxing the BJJ guy will win the majority of the time. We are at the point now that BJJ and submissions aren't as prominent because BJJ is so effective and everybody trains it. Boxing looks more successful because it is at such a low level in MMA that anyone half decent will be miles ahead of his opponent there.

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

Both are necessary, but you are probably more able to riding a boxing advantage to a win than a pure BJJ advantage to a win circa 2019 because there is more variance in boxing skill than there is by pure BJJ skill that isn't already covered by wrestling and defensive grappling general.

 

[Superman Elbow]

I will say boxing. BJJ is more predictable so it is easier to teach defense to say an armbar or choke when you can be taught how someone is setting it up and how to escape. Striking is much more unpredictable so it is much harder to teach how to see a punch coming, know what kind of punch it is and defend or even harder counter it.

 

[SportRuiners]

sub defence is so easy to learn so boxing

 

[Tsar]

Which art do you think is most relevant to MMA in 2019?

About 7 or 8 years ago it would have been the opinion that BJJ was definitely superior, striking is only about a third of the game and boxing is only part of that.

Now things have changed and strikers have become more popular, whilst elements of BJJ have become more and more sport nuanced and a lot of BJJ guys have come under fire for their conditioning.

What do you say?

7-8 years ago, i would have said wrestling considering champs were very wrestling dominant, looking at 2012:

Cain, Jones, GSP, Bendo, Demetrious Johnson

The other champs were strikers: Barao, Anderson, Condit (interim), Aldo, JDS (who lost to Cain, above).

 

[loisestrad]

There's not a single "boxer" out there that's succesful. No one.

 

[chiefwiggum]

It’s not the art as much as it is the fighter.

 

[chiefwiggum]

There's not a single "boxer" out there that's succesful. No one.

That’s not true. Obviously the best boxers are obviously boxing but there’s a weird narrative that boxing somehow doesn’t work.
Fighters work on their boxing as much as any other art.

When people talk about boxing it’s like people say that’s the only thing they can use or
Something.
You don’t hear that with bjj or wrestling or kickboxing as obviously you’re working on all areas of the sport.

 

[dmwalking]

Comes down to the practitioner. Lots of boxers will never be good at takedown defense or sub defense. Lots of BJJ guys will never be good at takedowns.

 

[dmwalking]

sub defence is so easy to learn so boxing

Not really. Plenty of submissions still happen. If it were that easy, they wouldn't succeed in MMA.

 

[SandaKicker]

There's not a single "boxer" out there that's succesful. No one.

Conor Mcgregor had a background in amateur boxing, I think its as fair to say boxing is Mcgregor's base as much as it is to say Wrestling is Jones base and Maia's base is BJJ.

 

[BRaVo cHoKe]

BJJ all day.

You can say submission defense is easy to pick up (it's not), but all the sub defense in the world isn't going to stop you from getting controlled on the ground.

10-8 rounds all day.​

 

[Headkicktoleg]

jiu jitsu is completely necessary to compete in MMA. You can go far without even throwing a punch in MMA.

 

[SammyPops]

2007 sherdog flashback thread.

 

[BJpencil]

Which art do you think is most relevant to MMA in 2019?

About 7 or 8 years ago it would have been the opinion that BJJ was definitely superior, striking is only about a third of the game and boxing is only part of that.

Now things have changed and strikers have become more popular, whilst elements of BJJ have become more and more sport nuanced and a lot of BJJ guys have come under fire for their conditioning.

What do you say?

Boxing easily. I don't remember Chuck using BJJ at all. A very good striker with very strong TDD can get by without Ju-Jitsu.

 

[Harlekin]

Think we all acknowledged that sub defense is easier to learn.

Conor, Miocic, JDS, Garbrandt, Gus, Ngannou, Masvidal, Cruz, Hollys tight shorts and many more have a boxing background. Cejudo is a golden gloves champ. Romero has a boxing champ as brother and relatives in boxing.

Wrestling + Boxing is a pretty good base. I see Wrestler Boxer guys beating more and more Wrestler kickboxing guys. Dillashaw 2:1 ratio the exception via Ped and 10pound advantage

 

[Zolid]

obviously its bjj. u can be shit at boxing and still go far in mma.

 

[Chagaev]

BJJ is more useful. If you take 2 guys without MMA experience and train 1 in BJJ and 1 in boxing the BJJ guy will win the majority of the time.

The thread is about 2019 MMA, not UFC 1.