Bob (Mueller)'s 13 Russian Burgers: Russia Investigation v.13

[Seano]

You know Putin made you wear your Make America Great Again hat

Stop interfering in the 2020 election.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

There were no good parts to Batman vs Superman

The good parts could be justice dept officials getting prosecuted though

Good thing this movie isn't batman vs superman

 

[Cirris]

I just can't grasp why leftists don't understand how underwhelming these indictments are.

Yes, they are crimes. And they should be prosecuted. But the reality is, this is a drop in the bucket as far as actual "influencing of an election" as far as foreign money and foreign nationals engaging in political campaigns in the US. I mean lets face it, the one charge alone is probably also being committed by thousands of illegal immigrants who are involved in PAC work and other activist groups. I'm sure none of them bother getting permissions from some Attorney General.

Of Course Russia is going to play games in our elections. Fuck, the US does it everywhere as well. That's what governments do, interfere.

None of these 13 individuals has much to do in the way of Trump obstructing, colluding, or in any way "HACKING" the election.

At best the supposed fake news got to be seen by MAYBE a few hundred thousand people. Buried in the rest of the billions of social media posts trying to influence the election, "legally".

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I'm not saying there is, or isn't, a bombshell down the road. But the more Mueller has to resort to stringing up low level spooks to keep the investigation rolling. The less likely you'll see a true "bombshell" moment.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

What do you have?

Oh', no sanctions = Collusion.

Neat.

On top of the baseless flaming usually resigned for far lesser shitposters than yourself and other notables, that's the kind of weak desperate shit I'm talking about.

It's still real to you, dammit!

So you are just going to slough off Trump's going against, and calling into question the conclusions and integrity, of every intelligence agency in the US, and being proven unequivocally wrong, like it is nothing?

Why, because Rosenstein said what every mainstream Republican has been saying for the past year, that there is no evidence that the meddling affected outcome of the election, like that was the story today , let alone that it washes away the layers of bullshit Trump has tried to dump on the simple issue of Russia meddling in the election, which is not the same question as collusion?

And you are just going to slough off Trump not imposing the sanctions against Russia, which were passed 98-2, like it is nothing?

Lastly, do you honestly think this is the end of the investigation into the Trump campaign?


PS. It wasn't baseless flaming, you disappeared on me, twice, over the weekend when my posts undermined your arguments. And if you are going whine about flaming, don't turn around and immediately use the "it's still real to you dammit" quote, it makes you come off as a bit of a hypocrite. But I forgive you.

 

[Fawlty]

The arrogant usually throw out meaningless insults. Like you are stupid or a moron. So we will just have to go with the one of the 2 of us that seems to go that route.

You can drink if it numbs the pain. I in no way judge you on that.

But if you truly want to be known as the level headed non arrogant non snarky guy in the room. I'd lay off the constant personal insults when things don't go your way.

I do hope u find your smile again though. Maybe getting laid would help!

If you'll notice, I have made artful attempts to bring the discussion back to relevance for this thread, while at the same time beebopping and scatting all over you and your habitat.

I did this firstly by questioning your attitude about how this could possibly be good for the administration or bad for the investigation. It seems self-evident that those are both false statements, and I believe you owe both the War Room and your parents a better justification, which I do not, in all sincerity, expect.

I did this secondly by questioning how it might be reasonable, in even a basic sense, to expect a Trump indictment out of this angle of the investigation in such a short time. This also appears to be self-evidently ridiculous, and again I welcome a reasonable response to this, which I again do not expect.

Essentially, my goal is to keep you on topic here, and to torment you while doing so.

 

[SBJJ]

Stop interfering in the 2020 election.

So was Bruce Ohr at the Justice Dept interfering in the election by meeting with Fusion GPS. Were Comey and Rosenstein interfering when they signed onto FISA applications knowing they were not truthful.

Did Steele interfere by producing a shit dossier and shopping it around to intelligence agencies and lying to those agencies

Shit man, everyone was interfering in this election.

 

[Seano]

So was Bruce Ohr at the Justice Dept interfering in the election by meeting with Fusion GPS. Were Comey and Rosenstein interfering when they signed onto FISA applications knowing they were not truthful.

Did Steele interfere by producing a shit dossier and shopping it around to intelligence agencies and lying to those agencies

Shit man, everyone was interfering in this election.

Oh Steele dossier? Thats just politics.

 

[HOLA]

THis election was won on things like MEMES.

The alt right and the right wing love memes. It’s so outlandish to say these things didn’t cause people to vote the way they did. Memes def are loved by the right wing and it influences them greatly.

of course, look no further than "fake news!" for an example of how easy it is to get them to parrot something. They'll even use it for stories confirmed by Trump or his family.

They just need to hear it, see it repeated on twitter, and it becomes a Pavlovian response to defend Combover Caligula.

But they'll still insist they have the media literacy and critical thinking to not be influenced by a hostile foreign power's propaganda.

 

[HereticBD]

So you are just going to slough off Trump's going against, and calling into question the conclusions, of every intelligence agency in the US, and being proven unequivocally wrong, like it is nothing?

Why, because Rosenstein said what every mainstream Republican has been saying for the past year, that there is no evidence that the meddling affected outcome of the election, like that was the story today , let alone that it washes away the layers of bullshit Trump has tried to dump on the simple issue of Russia meddling in the election, which is not the same question as collusion?

And you are just going to slough off Trump not imposing the sanctions against Russia, which were passed 98-2, like it is nothing?

Lastly, do you honestly think this is the end of the investigation into the Trump campaign?

My mistake. This is totally it. Collusion by Trump, and Russia having a direct effect on the election results was what was concluded today. I must've misread something. You're completely right. When do they proceed with impeachment?

PS. It wasn't baseless flaming, you disappeared on me, twice, over the weekend when my posts undermined your arguments.

Say what? We had some circular argument that was going nowhere, as neither of us were budging, and it got boring. Sorry I didn't keep it going for 20 pages.

 

[SBJJ]

If you'll notice, I have made artful attempts to bring the discussion back to relevance for this thread, while at the same time beebopping and scatting all over you and your habitat.

I did this firstly by questioning your attitude about how this could possibly be good for the administration or bad for the investigation. It seems self-evident that those are both false statements, and I believe you owe both the War Room and your parents a better justification, which I do not, in all sincerity, expect.

I did this secondly by questioning how it might be reasonable, in even a basic sense, to expect a Trump indictment out of this angle of the investigation in such a short time. This also appears to be self-evidently ridiculous, and again I welcome a reasonable response to this, which I again do not expect.

Essentially, my goal is to keep you on topic here, and to torment you while doing so.

And yet I can post a whole page of you insulting posters personally.

This was good for Trump as he was not named and only mentioned in the conference as NOT being involved. I understand in your echo chamber that this is bad for him. But outside of it this is being reported as VERY good for him. Here's a hint, leave the WR and see what people think about these indictments

Would you like to Account bet that I could do a search and post a whole page of you insulting people?

Now find your smile! It is somewhere. Maybe try forgiving your parents and moving on. Then find a half decent looking female and go in for a kiss. Maybe, just maybe you can find that smile

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

My mistake. This is totally it. Collusion by Trump, and Russia having a direct effect on the election results was what was concluded today. I must've misread something. You're completely right. When do they proceed with impeachment?



Say what? We had some circular argument that was going nowhere, as neither of us were budging, and it got boring. Sorry I didn't keep it going for 20 pages.

What, you have nothing for my real points and are just going to throw up straw men? This is absolute shit posting.

And no we didn't have circular arguments, you just quit when the going got tough, like you would have done if I didn't call you out in this thread, and what you are trying to do with your straw men and sarcasm. Pump your nuts up and do better. I will check in tomorrow.

 

[HOLA]

And yet I can post a whole page of you insulting posters personally.

This was good for Trump as he was not named and only mentioned in the conference as NOT being involved. I understand in your echo chamber that this is bad for him. But outside of it this is being reported as VERY good for him.

Would you like to Account bet that I could do a search and post a whole page of you insulting people?

Now find your smile! It is somewhere. Maybe try forgiving your parents and moving on. Then find a half decent looking female and go in for a kiss. Maybe, just maybe you can find that smile

Trump has denied or equivocated Russia's involvement in interfering with out elections. He's under investigation for interfering in the investigation of Russian meddling, and for (along with allies) cooperating in some fashion, and/or being compromised by Russia.

What happened today makes it even more difficult for him to eliminate Mueller and shows further proof of Russia's involvement, which make it harder for him to deny, and also make him look even weaker and more compromised for not enacting sanctions overwhelmingly supporter by congress and the senate.

Just because they didn't slap handcuffs on him and lead him to Sing Sing doesn't make this VERY good for him. That's...crazy.

 

[HomerThompson]

From the indictment:

"Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."

 

[Fawlty]

And yet I can post a whole page of you insulting posters personally.

This was good for Trump as he was not named and only mentioned in the conference as NOT being involved. I understand in your echo chamber that this is bad for him. But outside of it this is being reported as VERY good for him.

Would you like to Account bet that I could do a search and post a whole page of you insulting people?

Now find your smile! It is somewhere. Maybe try forgiving your parents and moving on. Then find a half decent looking female and go in for a kiss. Maybe, just maybe you can find that smile

Of course you can find me insulting posters. I like insulting shitty posters. It brings me joy and it exercises my mind. Keeps the venom nice and smokey. And to that end I thank you, for your part.

This is neither good nor bad for Trump as it stands. He could make the smart move and start cooperating with the investigation (assuming he's innocent lol), or he could make the stupid move and keep trying to interfere despite now having no leg to stand on with respect to his prior accusations of nothingburgertude.

It is of no consequence that he wasn't indicted today. Again, I insist- to which you cannot answer- that no reasonable person would have expected Trump to be indicted here, or for this to directly involve him. That's a straw position.

 

[Strychnine]

He can’t because he was broke and then laundered their money.
The Russians have Trump by the balls.
Honestly I expect Trump to quit. Mueller hired a bunch of financial guys and they were brought on because everybody knows Trump laundered money. Trump was laundering money at his casinos, once he ran them into the ground, he used real estate to launder money

I think that he can't quit. I'm thinking that he'll just have to sit and take his chances with the U.S. legal system instead of quitting. If he bails, I think that we'll see the Kompromat unleashed.

 

[HOLA]

From the indictment:

"Defendant ORGANIZATION had a strategic goal to sow discord in the U.S. political system, including the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Defendants posted derogatory information about a number of candidates, and by early to mid-2016, Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities."

Yup. There was identity theft, wire and bank fraud, and conspiracy to defraud the United States.

"so there was just some tweets!?"

 

[SBJJ]

Of course you can find me insulting posters. I like insulting shitty posters. It brings me joy and it exercises my mind. Keeps the venom nice and smokey. And to that end I thank you, for your part.

This is neither good nor bad for Trump as it stands. He could make the smart move and start cooperating with the investigation (assuming he's innocent lol), or he could make the stupid move and keep trying to interfere despite now having no leg to stand on with respect to his prior accusations of nothingburgertude.

It is of no consequence that he wasn't indicted today. Again, I insist- to which you cannot answer- that no reasonable person would have expected Trump to be indicted here, or for this to directly involve him. That's a straw position.

Oh. So now you do insult people. Gotcha. That's usually what the arrogant types do.

Like I said, step out the echo chamber and see what real live human beings think of this. But now it's good you've at least conceded this was not bad for Trump.

I didn't say you EXPECTED him to be indicted. I said you are pissed he didn't. And that is evident from you hanging on for dear life that this was bad.

Keep insulting those morons to make yourself feel better. Because it's clear you need some cheering up

 

[HomerThompson]

Oh. So now you do insult people. Gotcha. That's usually what the arrogant types do.

Like I said, step out the echo chamber and see what real live human beings think of this. But now it's good you've at least conceded this was not bad for Trump.

I didn't say you EXPECTED him to be indicted. I said you are pissed he didn't. And that is evident from you hanging on for dear life that this was bad.

Keep insulting those morons to make yourself feel better. Because it's clear you need some cheering up

It's terrible for Trump.

(CNN)On Friday afternoon, the Justice Department announced that special counsel Robert Mueller had indicted 13 Russian nationals for their roles in attempted meddling in the 2016 election.

Most of these people do not live in the United States, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Russia won't be extraditing them any time soon. But that's not the point.
The point is this: The indictments of a baker's dozen of Russians gives us a very clear window into not only the depth and breadth of the Mueller investigation, but also makes crystal clear what the Russians wanted in the 2016 election and the elaborate measures they undertook to make it happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/mueller-indictments-special-counsel/index.html

 

[Fawlty]

Oh. So now you do insult people. Gotcha. That's usually what the arrogant types do.

Like I said, step out the echo chamber and see what real live human beings think of this. But now it's good you've at least conceded this was not bad for Trump.

I didn't say you EXPECTED him to be indicted. I said you are pissed he didn't. And that is evident from you hanging on for dear life that this was bad.

Keep insulting those morons to make yourself feel better. Because it's clear you need some cheering up

Now your position has been reduced to you namecalling me as a namecaller, which I already accept and am fiercely internet-proud of (man I really am good at insulting people).

To relevance, you have one little spindly spiny straw remaining; I'm mad Trump wasn't indicted.

To which I already explained how there was no impetus for anger. There isn't a reason that I would be mad. There was no expectation, so there is no disappointment. You're doing a remarkably piss-poor job here, but again, your move.

 

[HomerThompson]

Just in case no one has posted it, here is the full indictment:

http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research_agency_indictment.pdf