Define what being a "Leftist" is

[Trotsky]

So nothing huh? If you really don't know what I'm talking about, then you have no idea how the revolutions for the ideology you support are actually structured.

And with that you sincerely have my deepest sympathy, because if the society you want ever came to pass, you'd be the first one to be executed. Why? Because when you see what its really like, you'll be so disillusioned with it, you're more likely to be an enemy of the state than its ally... and the revolutionaries in power can't have that kind of dissent.

Think I'm making shit up? Well look into what the KGB did for places like India. They kept lists of all the revolutionaries in their AO, useful idiots like you, and the plan was to execute them as soon as they flipped the region. You're a lamb walking to the slaughter house trying to coral other lambs into the pen with you.

You're an uninformed person who has convinced himself, through condescending to others and dressing up it up with grave cliche, that you have pulled profundity out of thin air and it just happens to resemble the laziest of anxieties and conspiracies whispered by the dumbest of trembling white 50-somethings that never read a book since graduating high school.

And, when called out on your inability to even reasonably articulate a basis for claiming to understand Marxist ideology, you vaguely point to the KGB, without either tying it to Marxist ideology or at least acknowledging the fact that the Soviet state was widely condemned by Marxists of that time, let alone those of the modern era.

You are lazy, and you are not worth the time spent responding to you.

Also, your analogy doesn't even make sense: is the lamb "walking into the slaughter house" or in the pen?

 

[Greoric]

You're an uninformed person who has convinced himself, through condescending to others and dressing up it up with grave cliche, that you have pulled profundity out of thin air and it just happens to resemble the laziest of anxieties and conspiracies whispered by the dumbest of trembling white 50-somethings that never read a book since graduating high school.

And, when called out on your inability to even reasonably articulate a basis for claiming to understand Marxist ideology, you vaguely point to the KGB, without either tying it to Marxist ideology or at least acknowledging the fact that the Soviet state was widely condemned by Marxists of that time, let alone those of the modern era.

You are lazy, and you are not worth the time spent responding to you.

Also, your analogy doesn't even make sense: is the lamb "walking into the slaughter house" or in the pen?

If you think it would play out differently, you have another thing coming my man.

 

[Gandhi]

Instead of being willfully ignorant on the topic, why don't you just read my posts? They're on this page.

Are you kidding me, try responding to my post or at least referring to other ones, otherwise expect your two word responses to be brushed off for the BS they are.

What you are not understanding is that just because a segment of progressive thought on campus has taken an idea that is consistent with Marxist thought and applied it to other power dynamics like race, does not make it "cultural Marxism". That remains a made up term and the fact that you are using it to define a more general term like "leftist" just means you are piling BS on top of BS.

 

[Greoric]

What you are not understanding is that just because a segment of progressive thought on campus has taken an idea that is consistent with Marxist thought and applied it to other power dynamics like race, does not make it "cultural Marxism". That remains a made up term and that fact that you are using it to define a more general term like "leftist" just means you are piling BS on top of BS.

OK then call it something else if you want. It's not like you're disagreeing on the reality of the observation. You just don't like the name, or what? Cultural Marxism is an accurate descriptor of exactly the stripe of people you just laid out though.

The whole point of the post was to distinguish them from liberals like you. Unless you want to be aggregated into the same philosophy?

 

[Gandhi]

OK then call it something else if you want. Cultural Marxism is an accurate descriptor of exactly how you laid out that stripe of people though.

The whole point of the post was to distinguish them from liberals like you. Unless you want to be aggregated into the same philosophy?

Again this has been explained, it's a buzzword used to slur anyone on the left as basically soviet trannies. It gets applied way beyond the segment of the left that has applied conflict theory (which again is only one aspect of marxism) to societal aspects beyond strictly economic class. Defining leftists as those that believe in "conflict theory" might work a little better than calling non marxists, marxists. It's still too narrow imo.

And no I don't want to be lumped in with marxists, even though I think he got at least a couple of things right. Which is the entire point.

 

[Greoric]

Again this has been explained, it's a buzzword used to slur anyone on the left as basically soviet trannies. It gets applied way beyond the segment of the left that has applied conflict theory (which again is only one aspect of marxism) to societal aspects beyond strictly economic class. Defining leftists as those that believe in "conflict theory" might work a little better than calling non marxists, marxists.

And no I don't want to be lumped in with marxists, even though I think he got at least a couple of things right. Which is the entire point.

Alright then your problem is that its used inappropriately. So what? We still agree there's a fundamental distinction in philosophy among people on "the left"... the whole point of this thread.

 

[Big Dick Cheney**]

Leftist - Moronic, delusional, entitled, wants to destroy America emo crybaby

 

[DickSarp]

Just because you don't like an argument doesn't mean it isn't one, and you aggregated terms I defined as distinct. Very odd.

It's not that I don't like your statement, it's that I don't understand what you're getting at bc you're using dog whistle words that mean nothing.

WTF is a cultural Marxist?

Asked you once to explain yourself and you get defensive. I aggregated no terminology. I repeated what you typed - "cultural marxism"...

What is cultural Marxism?

 

[DickSarp]

The angle of conflict theory they're applying is not in economic terms fundamentally. That's what you're not appreciating. The angle they're exploiting is on racial and gender terms, which is applied on campuses and extrapolated to society abroad. Instead of the working class uniting against the capitalist class, now its women, trans, gay, and POC uniting against whitey.

Except for some brainwashed dinosaurs like you (no disrespect intended), no one tries to make arguments for Marxism on economic grounds any more. Its just silly, because no one would actually fall for it. The real revolutionaries positioned in select institutions, know they're not going to convince the numbers of useful idiots like they could before on those terms, but they hold the same views for establishing international socialism. This is just a different strategy for the same goal, and the origins of a revolutionary movement have to start from somewhere. Thus, why not a place with young and impressionable minds?

And I'll take "The Klan is representative of right wing philosophy for $100 Alex."

This is like the 'scourge' of political correctness.

I see you've been fully programmed with the notion that there is no alternative to capitalism where the capitalist does none of the work but reaps all of the benefits. Bc that's just how it should be and how it is.

In all honesty, you sound like a profoundly misinformed paranoid.

 

[RubberGuard5]

And I'll take "The Klan is representative of right wing philosophy for $100 Alex."

This is like the 'scourge' of political correctness.

I see you've been fully programmed with the notion that there is no alternative to capitalism where the capitalist does none of the work but reaps all of the benefits. Bc that's just how it should be and how it is.

In all honesty, you sound like a profoundly misinformed paranoid.

Which alternative to capitalism do you think would work the best?

 

[BEER]

Is it ironic that the use of the term "cultural marxism" is exclusively r-selected?

Is it ironic that the people who use the term wouldn't be able to define "cultural Marxism" if they has Jordan Peterson explain it to them 5 minutes beforehand?

 

[Andy Capp]

Throw in a drastically reduced Federal government and economic freedoms.. you got yourself a good ole fashioned right wing libertarian

And anarchy. Sounds fun.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I see you've been fully programmed with the notion that there is no alternative to capitalism where the capitalist does none of the work but reaps all of the benefits. Bc that's just how it should be and how it is.

This hits on an important point. A lot of the right in America, and @Greoric's quack philosophy particularly, has lineage with thinking that was designed to defend slavery against liberal critics. And not just the racial stuff.

 

[Gandhi]

Alright then your problem is that its used inappropriately. So what? We're still agree there's a fundamental distinction in philosophy among people on "the left"... the whole point of this thread.

Yes of course we agree on that, the use of "cultural Marxism" just dumbs the conversation down real quickly.

 

[Greoric]

Yes of course we agree on that, the use of "cultural Marxism" just dumbs the conversation down real quickly.

What's a better descriptor for this then?

A segment of progressive thought on campus has taken an idea that is consistent with Marxist thought and applied it to other power dynamics like race

 

[Greoric]

And anarchy. Sounds fun.

Indeed!

 

[Greoric]

It's not that I don't like your statement, it's that I don't understand what you're getting at bc you're using dog whistle words that mean nothing.

WTF is a cultural Marxist?

Asked you once to explain yourself and you get defensive. I aggregated no terminology. I repeated what you typed - "cultural marxism"...

What is cultural Marxism?

Stop being lazy, and read the last page of my posts to find out.... I even described it to a Marxist.

 

[Mark Cutting]

No, I'm actually not.

Live in Tower Grove ? The Grove ? Soulard ? Stl is full of self loathing whites.

 

[Trotsky]

Live in Tower Grove ? The Grove ? Soulard ? Stl is full of self loathing whites.

If you're from STL, you can read over my posts and deduce what neighborhood by my descriptions of it. Also not white.

 

[Greoric]

I see you've been fully programmed with the notion that there is no alternative to capitalism where the capitalist does none of the work but reaps all of the benefits. Bc that's just how it should be and how it is.

Do you own your own business? Without knowing anything else about you, I'm willing to account bet that you do not.