Did Francis embarrass the sport of MMA

[The Adder]

This fight was the nail in the coffin to one of MMA's longest standing myths. That being that MMA gloves generate more power as opposed to boxing gloves which MMA experts say limited power.
This and seeing MMA's "baddest man of the planet" get flatlined so easily was a major blow to the credibility of MMA.

 

[Number 8]

Yes and got 20 million dollars for it... he'll sleep over it for sure

 

[OLD RED]

MMA fighter with zero amateur boxing matches goes 1-1 against the two best HW boxers on the world.

Shertards: "Dana was right. He embarrassed MMA."

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

lol "this single exact variable hasn't been met, so we must disregard all available knowledge and avail this specific set of circumstances with a magical outcome that is contrary to previous data"

Way to go, Neil Degrasse Tyson.

There is no previous data of AJ fighting in MMA, goofball.

 

[don't ask]

There is no previous data of AJ fighting in MMA, goofball.

"this single exact variable hasn't been met, so we must disregard all available knowledge and avail this specific set of circumstances with a magical outcome that is contrary to previous data"

Good job, Carl Sagan.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

It took 2 rounds, because they were in a boxing match. If they were in a 'real fight' like we're talking about, it would be over in 30 seconds. They would both start throwing punches at each other, Joshua would be far better at it, and Ngannou would be out cold before he even had time to remember that he's a UFC champ. Even if he was still conscious after eating one, and tried to clinch and grapple, I'd imagine Joshua would just shake him off and hit him a couple more times, and that's that.

When people fight for real in the heat of the moment, even trained fighters, its usually just a bunch of fists being thrown. Look at DC and Jones going at it, or Chiesa and Kevin Lee at the press conference, they are just throwing punches, they're not establishing range and thinking about what's the best gameplan. A boxer like Joshua would chin all these guys in that kind of scuffle.

That's all assuming Ngannou just picks a fight with Joshua not knowing that he's about to fight one of the best boxers in the world.

Correct. In a real world altercation (street fight) it might not even take 30 seconds. All fights start standing, punches are thrown to initiate them the overwhelming majority of the time, and even grapplers look to punch first in order to set up their takedowns. If Ngannou knew nothing about Joshua's skills or ability he'd almost certainly try and slug it out with him since that's how he fights. If Joshua plants a clean one on his chin bareknuckle the fight is over. Even a shot that just clips him on the chin, the temple, or back of the head could be enough.

 

[welcometohavoc]

In a street fight, with no prior knowledge of who the other person is, I can see many boxers chinning MMA fighters easily. Unless you're Ben Askren, most MMA fighters will throw hands to start with, and if they are up against a good boxer they will get ktfo before they realise they should be shooting takedowns.

Joshua would chin Ngannou for sure if they got into a real fight and Ngannou didn't know who he was dealing with. He'd probably throw some wild shit and be on his ass before he knew what happened.

For some reason you're really hung up on the "if they didn't know each other" variable, which is weird because

No, he did not.


Stupid take.


MMA embarrassment was Anderson Silva, Woodley, Nate, and Askren...

Francis fighting champions is respect, win or lose.

Now, we have no choice but to respect Jake Paul for dropping Anderson fuckin Silva. Even Isreal Adesenya couldn't drop Silva.

You can rationalize it all you want. The legit UFC HW champion who was knocking everyone out just got flatlined by a boxer in a fist fight.

Also Anderson is 50 years old and hasn't looked good in years.

 

[welcometohavoc]

Correct. In a real world altercation (street fight) it might not even take 30 seconds. All fights start standing, punches are thrown to initiate them the overwhelming majority of the time, and even grapplers look to punch first in order to set up their takedowns. If Ngannou knew nothing about Joshua's skills or ability he'd almost certainly try and slug it out with him since that's how he fights. If Joshua plants a clean one on his chin bareknuckle the fight is over. Even a shot that just clips him on the chin, the temple, or back of the head could be enough.

We know this isn't true because we've seen discipline vs. discipline fights and the strikers almost always lose to the grapplers. The chances you land a one shot KO on a guy trying to take you down when you have zero wrestling training is pretty low.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

We know this isn't true because we've seen discipline vs. discipline fights and the strikers almost always lose to the grapplers. The chances you land a one shot KO on a guy trying to take you down when you have zero wrestling training is pretty low.

I'm talking about an actual street fight. Not a combat sports competition. If Ngannou knew nothing about Joshua's skillset or ability he'd naturally try and stand with him. He's a striker first and foremost. The reality is that Joshua could very well chin most MMA fighters before they even realize how they needed to approach the encounter (ieg., by immediately shooting for a takedown).

Tim Sylvia knew exactly what Ray Mercer was, a former world class boxer, and he still got knocked out in a matter of seconds in MMA. That opening window is all an elite boxer may need to capitalize on their puncher's chance. If they can put up some resistance after, that window reopens again.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Just because someone is more well rounded doesn’t mean they will always win. Jose Aldo was far more skilled in MMA than Conor and was sparked in 13 seconds.
By your logic, we don’t know who would win in a fight with no rules because we’ve seen none of the competitiors in Boxing or MMA in a no rules fight.
Your assertion that it’s not fighting if there are rules is asinine and misinformed.

Boxing is a combat sport.


MMA is a combat sport .

Neither are a real fight ...or real combat...

But which one would you rather take with you into a real combat situation... punches...or everything?

All im saying before everyone starts Jizzing over how great boxing is cuz of this..just remember Boxing is just a tiny part of MMA ...

 

[Rationality]

So entertaining how MMA people think they operate at the very highest levels of violence.....

 

[marvinparsons]

No, to anyone with a brain. MMA isn't boxing. If Jon Jones lost in a BJJ tournament it also wouldn't mean anything.

 

[JudoJabs]

Boxing is a combat sport.


MMA is a combat sport .

Neither are a real fight ...or real combat...

But which one would you rather take with you into a real combat situation... punches...or everything?

All im saying before everyone starts Jizzing over how great boxing is cuz of this..just remember Boxing is just a tiny part of MMA ...

You’re right, those Karate punches that Dustin threw on Saturday for the KO were just epic.

That BJJ footwork that the dominator used to have was also amaaaazing

Let’s not forget Conor’s wing chun punches or DC’s Muay Thai punches!

 

[JudoJabs]

I'm talking about an actual street fight. Not a combat sports competition. If Ngannou knew nothing about Joshua's skillset or ability he'd naturally try and stand with him. He's a striker first and foremost. The reality is that Joshua could very well chin most MMA fighters before they even realize how they needed to approach the encounter (ieg., by immediately shooting for a takedown).

Tim Sylvia knew exactly what Ray Mercer was, a former world class boxer, and he still got knocked out in a matter of seconds in MMA. That opening window is all an elite boxer may need to capitalize on their puncher's chance. If they can put up some resistance after, that window reopens again.

Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[Khaiser]

I'm talking about an actual street fight. Not a combat sports competition. If Ngannou knew nothing about Joshua's skillset or ability he'd naturally try and stand with him. He's a striker first and foremost. The reality is that Joshua could very well chin most MMA fighters before they even realize how they needed to approach the encounter (ieg., by immediately shooting for a takedown).

Tim Sylvia knew exactly what Ray Mercer was, a former world class boxer, and he still got knocked out in a matter of seconds in MMA. That opening window is all an elite boxer may need to capitalize on their puncher's chance. If they can put up some resistance after, that window reopens again.

People here confuse ‘street fight’ with ‘sanctioned mma bout’.

There is a very legitimate argument in favour of boxing being better than MMA for most real life altercations, despite the fact that in a sanctioned 1vs1 MMA bout, the mixed martial artist has a huge advantage.

 

[Iroh]

No.

 

[HHJ]

No he did not. This wasnt an MMA fight so why should this embarass the sport of MMA.

Anyway this "real fight" shit is for the birds.

 

[Takes_Two_To_Tango]

No, to anyone with a brain. MMA isn't boxing. If Jon Jones lost in a BJJ tournament it also wouldn't mean anything.

Well said man.

 

[italiamusica]

No you

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

Frank should be sued. He went out thinking he is some kind of hero but all he did was lose 2 boxing fights in a row and get embarrassed