International Disunited Kingdom: The Renewed Call For Scottish Independence, Part 2.

SNP bid to impose target to remove Trident from the Clyde after indyref2
By Kathleen Nutt

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The removal of nuclear weapons from the Clyde is expected to be a key ambition for an independent Scotland

TRIDENT should be removed from the Clyde within “three or four years” of Scotland voting for independence, SNP policy chiefs are to be told by the party’s influential CND group. It is the first time a specific timescale has been suggested by the internal body.

The removal of nuclear weapons from the Clyde is expected to be a key ambition for an independent Scotland, with many Scots giving the removal of nuclear weapons the reason why they back independence.

However, until now no definite deadline for the process to be complete has been discussed by the SNP.

At its spring conference this year party members voted for a resolution to agree the process should be done “speedily”.

But yesterday Bill Ramsay, convener of the SNP’s influential CND group, told the Sunday National: “From the day of a Yes vote, it should be a three or four year period.

‘‘We will be making a presentation to the SNP’s policy committee in due course and will be putting this timescale to them.”

He said discussions to remove Trident should begin with the UK Government in the weeks after the successful independence referendum and during the “year or two” mark following the vote during which preparations would take place for Scotland to become a sovereign state.

Formal negotiations on removing Trident would not start until the start of the first independent Scottish Government, he added.

Last week Trevor Royle, a respected military historian and author, suggested that following independence the Scottish Government could lease out Faslane to Nato to raise £1.1 billion a year providing funding for schools and hospitals and other public services.

Royle, a fellow of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, pointed to the precedent of Iceland which leased out its airbase to Nato for five decades after it became independent.

He added: “I am opposed to nuclear weapons on grounds of cost, morality and lack of effectiveness, but an independent Scotland will not be so awash with cash that it can ignore an asset such as Faslane, which could attract a rental of £1.1bn a year.”

Ramsay rejected the proposal. “It is perfectly understandable that the UK Government would want to lease the base. But one would assume this would not be acceptable to the Scottish Government to do so. The Scottish National party have a policy of removing nuclear weapons swiftly from Scottish soil,” he said.

“Nuclear weapons could destroy human life and indeed most life on the planet. It has been estimated that even a limited nuclear exchange then billions of people would die in the first instance and billions more around the globe as a result of radiation.

“If they are used people die in their billions and human life could be made extinct. We are looking at an extinction event.”

He also believed that it would be a tactical error for an independent Scottish Government to lease out Faslane as a short term measure as the move could provide an incentive for the UK Government to slow down negotiations in removing the weapons.

Last month the SNP CND group published a roadmap setting out the process of getting rid of Trident.

It anticipated three main steps: “Step one is ending operational deployment of the four Vanguard Class submarines that carry the Trident missiles. One submarine is always on patrol. Step two is removal of the keys and the triggers which would then be secured in a safe place on land.

“Step three is to disable the missiles. If key aspects of the guidance and control system are removed then a targeted launch is impossible. It should be noted that the actual missiles are rented from the US Navy.”

In 2016 the House of Commons backed the renewal of the UK’s Trident nuclear weapons system to beyond the early 2030s by 472 votes to 117, approving the manufacture of four replacement submarines at an estimated cost of £31bn.

Trident is the colloquial term used for the UK nuclear weapons system which comprises three main elements and has a vast supporting infrastructure.

Four Vanguard class submarines (SSBN) which maintain continuous at-sea deterrence (CASD), meaning that one vessel is always on patrol (Operation Relentless). The submarines are based at Faslane and the warheads are stored, processed and maintained at the Royal Naval Armaments Depot at Coulport.

In-service maintenance of the Vanguard class is conducted at Faslane; while deep maintenance/refit is conducted at HM Naval Base Devonport in Plymouth.

The decision to acquire Trident was announced in a Statement to the House of Commons in July 1980. A parliamentary debate, and vote, endorsing the Government’s decision was held in March 1981.

From the decision in 1980 it took 14 years to complete the acquisition of the Trident capability with the first Vanguard class submarine entering service in December 1994.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17844206.bid-impose-target-remove-trident-clyde-indyref2/

The national was created by pro-independence peeps in the way other newspapers are run by anti-independence peeps. I'm sure you know but just in case as it's a newish newspaper.
 
The national was created by pro-independence peeps in the way other newspapers are run by anti-independence peeps. I'm sure you know but just in case as it's a newish newspaper.

As long as the report is real, I'm not particularly concerned as to who broadcasted it, even if it's by lefty Guardians or righty DailyMail (or CNN or FOX).

In this case, it's about the SNP's latest bid in removing nuclear weapons from Scotland, which we all know is not a new policy, and potentially leasing out military bases in Scotland to other countries/entities for some much-needed cash, which would be a new policy.

What's more important here is the ramification of such proposals, and how the people of Scotland feels about it.
 
As long as the report is real, I'm not particularly concerned as to who broadcasted it, even if it's by lefty Guardians or righty DailyMail (or CNN or FOX).

In this case, it's about the SNP's latest bid in removing nuclear weapons from Scotland, which we all know is not a new policy, and potentially leasing out military bases in Scotland to other countries/entities for some much-needed cash, which would be a new policy.

What's more important here is the ramification of such proposals, and how the people of Scotland feels about it.

No problem. I'm actually pro-independence and pro-removal of WMD's from Scotland. Just felt a wee disclaimer might be needed in case others maybe read other stories on the site.
 
Have you been mis-sold a referendum ? , if so just ring 0845 646365 with details of your vote provider and we'll do the rest you could be owed ££££££'s......
what pish are you slavering?

we thought you cunts had at least a partial clue as to how to run our union of nations, we were sorely mistaken and youve fucked things up.... we want out. I dunno how much clearer I need to make it for you
 
Renting them out is even worse , either we agree with them being there or we don't, agreeing cause someone gives a big brown envelope means the principles are for sale. We don't need nukes.
I'll personally sail them up the thames after independence if given the opportunity :D

and with great pride too
 
The national was created by pro-independence peeps in the way other newspapers are run by anti-independence peeps. I'm sure you know but just in case as it's a newish newspaper.
whilst that is true its started to lose some support from Indy supporters because it has hired a woke twat that pushes the gender nonsense
 
What's more important here is the ramification of such proposals, and how the people of Scotland feels about it.
pretty fucking happy... we dont want nukes
 
what pish are you slavering?

we thought you cunts had at least a partial clue as to how to run our union of nations, we were sorely mistaken and youve fucked things up.... we want out. I dunno how much clearer I need to make it for you

Satire dear boy , so have some deep fried heroin and relax .
 
New poll puts support for Scottish independence at 50 per cent
By James Delaney | 28th Novemberhttps://www.heraldscotland.com/author/profile/295184.James_Delaney/

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Half of Scots oppose a second independence referendum being held in the next year.

However, when asked how they would vote, 48 per cent responded they would back the country breaking away from the UK, according to figures released by Ipsos Mori.

The survey, carried out for STV, found another 48 per cent said they would back a no vote in a referendum, with four per cent remaining undecided.

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The fieldwork for the survey was carried out between November 19-25, and included the views of 1046 Scottish voters aged 16 or over.

It stated 42 per cent of the electorate would back an indyref2 taking place within the next 12 months, with six per cent undecided.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon was ranked as the most popular leader among the Scottish parties.

Almost half of those asked said they were "satisfied" with Ms Sturgeon's performance as leader of the party, well ahead of the Scottish Lib Dem's Willie Rennie, on 31 per cent, the Scottish Conservatives Jackson Carlaw, on 18 per cent, and Scottish Labour's Richard Leonard, on 17 per cent.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news...ts-support-scottish-independence-50-per-cent/
 
and our reasoning is that shit has changed... we want another vote

Have your other Vote, you Scots can't survive without the teet of England. Hell, even Ireland has a better shot at 'independence'
 
Have your other Vote, you Scots can't survive without the teet of England. Hell, even Ireland has a better shot at 'independence'
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you dont have a clue what you're talking about, but you keep believing whatever nonsense youve been reading
 
I don't think people appreciate how Scottish independence is at the sufferance of the English, and that it is only permissible from the English point of view in a time of universal peace. If you are an island nation, self-defense requires control over the whole island.

Do you think that England will allow Scotland to host foreign military bases on the British Isles(as has been suggested) if there is even the whiff of armed conflict in the air?

If history restarts in Europe in the future and Scotland decides to get cute and try to be independent, just watch how quickly English soldiers roll back into Edinburgh.
 
I don't think people appreciate how Scottish independence is at the sufferance of the English, and that it is only permissible from the English point of view in a time of universal peace. If you are an island nation, self-defense requires control over the whole island.

Do you think that England will allow Scotland to host foreign military bases on the British Isles(as has been suggested) if there is even the whiff of armed conflict in the air?

If history restarts in Europe in the future and Scotland decides to get cute and try to be independent, just watch how quickly English soldiers roll back into Edinburgh.


Or we'll rig the votes like we always do.
 
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