Eddie Cummings vs. Reilly Bodycomb

[mataleaos]

I think Tanquihno wrote the book on how to deal with Eddie or any other great leg locker: get a foot in the middle and drive forward with heavy pressure to deny them their entries. This is also consistent with what Gordon told me about passing good leg lockers, basically that you had to keep a foot in the middle to deny them inside position and kill their entanglement entries. Baiting ashi entrances against guys with a sophisticated a lock flow game as the DDS is insanity.

Remember when that guy at EBI 10 tried to flying mount Eddie Cummings when eddies was in seated guard m? Not flying triangle. Flying mount.

He got broken off fast.

Top 3 worst game plans I've ever seen in submission grappling.

 

[selfcritical]

this is true, but at the same time i think there's a clear distinction between leglocking meta in the pre and post-DDS eras. Reilly's system was maybe the peak of available knowledge at the time (and just a few years ago at that), but it now seems primitive compared to what Eddie Cummings and Craig Jones are doing.

The meta he presents in Top Rock and later is pretty parallel evolution with the DDS stuff, particularly the breaking and dig mechanics. I saw him drilling the exact finishing sequence that Eddie ended up using on him with one of his students at least two years prior to their match.

 

[trustdoesntrust]

The meta he presents in Top Rock and later is pretty parallel evolution with the DDS stuff, particularly the breaking and dig mechanics. I saw him drilling the exact finishing sequence that Eddie ended up using on him with one of his students at least two years prior to their match.

Reilly was the first guy I recall really elucidating on those ashi garami positions as a complete system for leglocking. But where it now seems primitive is how it fits in with the overall jiu jitsu flow, compared to DDS and Craig Jones who find innovative ways to get there from traditional BJJ positions and attacks.

 

[JustTheTip]

Well, how familiar are you with guys that were regionally competitive in the Northeast in nogi submission grappling tournaments around 2009/2010?

Reilly had a lot of wins over decent (but not sensational) guys back then. I know him (not especially well), and he certainly wouldn't claim to be an elite BJJ player. From my talks with him, he considers throwing/takedowns to be his favorite part of grappling, which are pretty neutered in the sport BJJ world.

He's had a fair amount of success in a bunch of different rulesets: Submission Grappling, Sport Sambo, Combat Sambo, MMA, Combat Wrestling. He even competed locally a little bit in gi jiu jitsu. He's clearly much more interested in cross training/competing than he is in specialization. I think he has very interesting ideas about skills/movements that carry over between the sports, and is a great expositor of those ideas. His old leg lock DVDs are very solid presentations of fundamental material that is maybe a little outdated (the way a De La Riva guard DVD from 2009 would likely be).

As far as his loss to Eddie, well, Eddie has tapped a ridiculous amount of very solid guys in 30 seconds. If you followed the regional sub-grappling scene in the Northeast in like 2013/2014 (not that I would expect you to, but I was there), he would heel hook literally everyone at every tournament he showed up to in 30 seconds or less, including guys like Mark Ramos. It was ridiculous (he would do the same thing in the open weight). Reilly definitely had a flawed strategy - standing perpendicular like that will shut down typical shin-to-shin entries, but leaves you open to that Kani Basami attack (which no one had seen at that point).

Can you post some links to these wins and what tournaments?
Some of those tournaments had less than 3 competitors in a division.

 

[cjd]

Can you post some links to these wins and what tournaments?
Some of those tournaments had less than 3 competitors in a division.

He has a complete competition resume here: https://www.rdojo.com/reilly-bodycomb

I really don't have the energy to track down results from 2009.

That having been said, OP (who is honestly one of the worst posters here) is totally off his rocker saying "Reilly really ain't shit though" - that's preposterous. I've trained with a lot of good guys, I've trained with him, he's good. The very best guys make very good guys look bad regularly. As far as his contention that "Reilly Bodycomb is overrated and didn't deserve this match with Eddie Cummings" - Eddie specifically asked for a match with Reilly.

 

[nefti]

He has a complete competition resume here: https://www.rdojo.com/reilly-bodycomb

I really don't have the energy to track down results from 2009.

That having been said, OP (who is honestly one of the worst posters here) is totally off his rocker saying "Reilly really ain't shit though" - that's preposterous. I've trained with a lot of good guys, I've trained with him, he's good. The very best guys make very good guys look bad regularly. As far as his contention that "Reilly Bodycomb is overrated and didn't deserve this match with Eddie Cummings" - Eddie specifically asked for a match with Reilly.

Let's put things into perspective. When the op states "Reilly really ain't shit though" it means in didn't medal in any significant grappling tournament. He doesn't have a series of high profile wins. He isn't highly decorated in sambo. You gotta agree that there was a disproportionate amount of nut on this forum. Simply because he put a fewfew h hook videos out.

 

[cjd]

Let's put things into perspective. When the op states "Reilly really ain't shit though" it means in didn't medal in any significant grappling tournament. He doesn't have a series of high profile wins. He isn't highly decorated in sambo. You gotta agree that there was a disproportionate amount of nut on this forum. Simply because he put a fewfew h hook videos out.

Is there? I've never noticed anyone say anything other than they think his instructionals are good. He's certainly one of the top expositors on the subject. Maybe I missed some sort of love fest where he was (erroneously) made out to be some sort of grappling god.

As far as his Sambo credentials, he is a multiple time US World Team member (he had to win trials), and he won the Pan-Ams. To be fair, the world powers in Sambo are not in the Americas, but I think that constitutes a set of at least halfway decent credentials.

Also, if you've read any of OP's other posts, you might reconsider your opinion on what he thinks.

 

[nefti]

Is there? I've never noticed anyone say anything other than they think his instructionals are good. He's certainly one of the top expositors on the subject. Maybe I missed some sort of love fest where he was (erroneously) made out to be some sort of grappling god.

As far as his Sambo credentials, he is a multiple time US World Team member (he had to win trials), and he won the Pan-Ams. To be fair, the world powers in Sambo are not in the Americas, but I think that constitutes a set of at least halfway decent credentials.

Also, if you've read any of OP's other posts, you might reconsider your opinion on what he thinks.

You may be right about the op

 

[JustTheTip]

As far as his Sambo credentials, he is a multiple time US World Team member (he had to win trials), and he won the Pan-Ams. To be fair, the world powers in Sambo are not in the Americas, but I think that constitutes a set of at least halfway decent credentials.

According to the organization roster, there were only 2 Sambo Schools in that organization and many of the divisions didn't even have 3 people in them. Being a "US World Team Member" and winning Pan Ams might have been done by winning 1 match.When you think of Sambo, you think of tough Russian Oleg Taktarov looking guys.I don't see any record of Bodycomb beating any of those guys. The American Sambo scene is completely different than the European Sambo scene. The credentials on his site are very misleading.

 

[cjd]

According to the organization roster, there were only 2 Sambo Schools in that organization and many of the divisions didn't even have 3 people in them. Being a "US World Team Member" and winning Pan Ams might have been done by winning 1 match.When you think of Sambo, you think of tough Russian Oleg Taktarov looking guys.I don't see any record of Bodycomb beating any of those guys. The American Sambo scene is completely different than the European Sambo scene. The credentials on his site are very misleading.

There are more than two Sambo schools that send people to the national championship (I know this, because I cross-trained in Sambo at a school in NY that sent people to nationals that is not listed on that website). If I recall, he won 3 matches at Pan Ams. Not sure how many he won to qualify.

Anyway, I don't think I'm going to say anything that convinces you that he's not terrible.

 

[cjd]

Also, you may be looking at the wrong Sambo Federation. The federation that actually selects the national team (http://usasambo.com/) has more schools listed as official training centers (and other schools can send people to tournaments).

 

[mataleaos]

According to the organization roster, there were only 2 Sambo Schools in that organization and many of the divisions didn't even have 3 people in them. Being a "US World Team Member" and winning Pan Ams might have been done by winning 1 match.When you think of Sambo, you think of tough Russian Oleg Taktarov looking guys.I don't see any record of Bodycomb beating any of those guys. The American Sambo scene is completely different than the European Sambo scene. The credentials on his site are very misleading.

But again. Is bodycomb pretending to be some elite athlete? I've never seen him front like he is. Most people that like him like his instruction. In case you missed the post of yours I quoted, I was asking why I'm bjj we have this need to think the best coaches have to also be the best competitors. I think it's silly and no other sports think this. In fact many times the best teachers were/are average competitors.

 

[nefti]

But again. Is bodycomb pretending to be some elite athlete? I've never seen him front like he is. Most people that like him like his instruction. In case you missed the post of yours I quoted, I was asking why I'm bjj we have this need to think the best coaches have to also be the best competitors. I think it's silly and no other sports think this. In fact many times the best teachers were/are average competitors.

Afaik he never claimed to be elite. But there were posters here who were claiming it.

 

[JustTheTip]

There are more than two Sambo schools that send people to the national championship (I know this, because I cross-trained in Sambo at a school in NY that sent people to nationals that is not listed on that website). If I recall, he won 3 matches at Pan Ams. Not sure how many he won to qualify.

Anyway, I don't think I'm going to say anything that convinces you that he's not terrible.

According to his website, under "achievements", he lists "Gold Medalist at the USA Sambo National Championships (2016)"
That sounds very impressive but when you go to the current USA SAMBO website, it lists only 7 Sambo schools currently in their Association and at least one of them didn't exist in 2016(the one in Berkley.I believe there were only 3 Sambo schools in their association in 2016 so how many competitors could there have even been in his division?
http://usasambo.com/training-centers/
I never said he is terrible. I liked one of his instructionals and went to one of his seminars with the intention of getting better at leg attacks.He was extremely arrogant but a pretty good instructor.After class I rolled with him SAMBO rules and he was much better than me under that ruleset and a good grappler overall.He is definitely the best American Sambist i've rolled with.That said, i've also rolled with a Bulgarian Sambo champion who fought in the UFC (Val Ignatov) and he was on a completely other level than Bodycomb and never heard of Bodycomb when I mentioned him. In no way am I saying he sucks at Grappling but that he isn't even close to the level of the frequent competitors often discussed on here. I've seen multiple posts in the past on here putting him on the same level of elite leglockers and grapplers and it just isn't accurate.
I'm not hating on him, but it's a pet peeve of mine when Competitors that constantly prove themselves in elite competition get put on the same level as competitors that avoid the top competition and overstate their achievements. I won Master Worlds at a colored belt and always correct people if they call me a "World Champion" because the real "World Champion" at my weight and belt that year would have smashed me.

But again. Is bodycomb pretending to be some elite athlete? I've never seen him front like he is. Most people that like him like his instruction. In case you missed the post of yours I quoted, I was asking why I'm bjj we have this need to think the best coaches have to also be the best competitors. I think it's silly and no other sports think this. In fact many times the best teachers were/are average competitors.

In person he was extremely arrogant when I met him.He compared himself to the best in the world and repeatedly derided BJJ.When I asked him why he doesn't compete in ADCC he said "Because I don't respect a competition that doesn't reward throws."

 

[selfcritical]

According to his website, under "achievements", he lists "Gold Medalist at the USA Sambo National Championships (2016)"
That sounds very impressive but when you go to the current USA SAMBO website, it lists only 7 Sambo schools currently in their Association and at least one of them didn't exist in 2016(the one in Berkley.I believe there were only 3 Sambo schools in their association in 2016 so how many competitors could there have even been in his division?
http://usasambo.com/training-centers/
I never said he is terrible. I liked one of his instructionals and went to one of his seminars.He was extremely arrogant but a pretty good instructor. I rolled with him SAMBO rules and he was much better than me under that ruleset and a good grappler overall. That said, i've also rolled with a Bulgarian Sambo champion who fought in the UFC (Val Ignatov) and he was on a whole other level than Bodycomb and never heard of Bodycomb when I mentioned him. In no way am I saying he sucks at Grappling but that he isn't even close to the level of the frequent competitors often discussed on here. Bodycomb has done a few BJJ tournaments in the Masters Division and had average results in that division. I've seen multiple posts in the past on here putting him on the same level of elite leglockers and grapplers and it just isn't accurate.
I'm not hating on him, but it's a pet peeve of mine when Competitors that constantly prove themselves in elite competition get put on the same level as competitors that avoid the top competition and overstate their achievements. I won Master Worlds at a colored belt and always correct people if they call me a "World Champion" because the real "World Champion" at my weight and belt that year would have smashed me.







In person he was extremely arrogant when I met him.He compared himself to the best in the world and repeatedly derided BJJ.When I asked him why he doesn't compete in ADCC he said "Because I don't respect a competition that doesn't reward throws."

The bulgarians and Russians have off-balancing so much better than US athletes that it's practically a different sport. The only US sambo athlete that i feel like is throwing on that level is Nina(who is also a 4x Judo national champion, wrestled in HS, etc etc)

 

[BJJ_Rage]

According to his website, under "achievements", he lists "Gold Medalist at the USA Sambo National Championships (2016)"
That sounds very impressive but when you go to the current USA SAMBO website, it lists only 7 Sambo schools currently in their Association and at least one of them didn't exist in 2016(the one in Berkley.I believe there were only 3 Sambo schools in their association in 2016 so how many competitors could there have even been in his division?
http://usasambo.com/training-centers/
I never said he is terrible. I liked one of his instructionals and went to one of his seminars with the intention of getting better at leg attacks.He was extremely arrogant but a pretty good instructor.After class I rolled with him SAMBO rules and he was much better than me under that ruleset and a good grappler overall.He is definitely the best American Sambist i've rolled with.That said, i've also rolled with a Bulgarian Sambo champion who fought in the UFC (Val Ignatov) and he was on a completely other level than Bodycomb and never heard of Bodycomb when I mentioned him. In no way am I saying he sucks at Grappling but that he isn't even close to the level of the frequent competitors often discussed on here. I've seen multiple posts in the past on here putting him on the same level of elite leglockers and grapplers and it just isn't accurate.
I'm not hating on him, but it's a pet peeve of mine when Competitors that constantly prove themselves in elite competition get put on the same level as competitors that avoid the top competition and overstate their achievements. I won Master Worlds at a colored belt and always correct people if they call me a "World Champion" because the real "World Champion" at my weight and belt that year would have smashed me.







In person he was extremely arrogant when I met him.He compared himself to the best in the world and repeatedly derided BJJ.When I asked him why he doesn't compete in ADCC he said "Because I don't respect a competition that doesn't reward throws."

His dvds are great, but he gets smoke vs elite competition...

 

[mataleaos]

In person he was extremely arrogant when I met him.He compared himself to the best in the world and repeatedly derided BJJ.When I asked him why he doesn't compete in ADCC he said "Because I don't respect a competition that doesn't reward throws."

Wow yeah that's weird. ADCC gives 4 points for a throw that lands you past the guard. Even the back is only 3 points at ADCC.

 

[cjd]

According to his website, under "achievements", he lists "Gold Medalist at the USA Sambo National Championships (2016)"

In person he was extremely arrogant when I met him.He compared himself to the best in the world and repeatedly derided BJJ.When I asked him why he doesn't compete in ADCC he said "Because I don't respect a competition that doesn't reward throws."

Fair enough, that hasn't been my experience with him at all (personality-wise). I think he'd gladly admit that Eastern Bloc Sambists are at a different level than him. Just out of curiosity, when did you go to the seminar? I feel like he's softened his stance re: BJJ over the years.

Also, big props on winning Master Worlds, that's a great accomplishment. And your honestly regarding it's rank in things is certainly refreshing.

 

[kying418]

I've never met him- but to hear he is arrogant is disappointing- especially given his lack of high quality tournament wins (and even if he has won those, being arrogant is still lame).

I'm not even sure his takedowns and throws are that good- has it been proven against stiff competition? Even if they rewarded someone 100 points for a throw, I don't think he could throw or takedown the ADCC champs.

 

[mattemate]

I just listened to the grappling Central Podcast where Bodycomb was interviewed.
He didn't come off as arrogant at all, and in no way misrepresented his credentials.
Saying he's a scrub because he got heel hooked by another excellent leg attack specialist is like saying a high-level boxer that gets knocked out and a championship fight can't box.