Opinion Elon Musk's Ex Wife Grimes responds to being called a Nazi for being proud of white culture.

[Mack Yancy]

(Modern) Liberalism is Communism

Nice subject change.

Do you agree the white people invented communism, socialism AND nazism? Yes or no?

 

[Hdfi]

Not sure what the men/ women comment had to do with anything. The blank slate piece is important. Do you think certain races inherently have better ideas than others? If so, how can you reconcile that idea with not being a racial supremecist of some kind? For example, if Liberalism is very good for advancement and flourishing, but white people are those who inherently carry this idea, why do you not claim that race to be better? If ideas are tied to race, would best ideas help determine best race?

Libs will self-destruct by inviting Muslims and other incompatible cultures that will destroy their fairy tales. I don't believe in biological races in the human species but extended phenotype is real and has material consequences.

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095805785

 

[Belaya Smert]

She’s the Gina Carano of our times. I’m unapologetically white and I get it

 

[Lead]

Libs will self-destruct by inviting Muslims and other incompatible cultures that will destroy their fairy tales.

Last post you brought up difference in men/ women. Now you are talking about Muslims which is a religion and an idea in itself. It’s a completely different topic than race but you are blending everything together and it isn’t making much sense. Islam (an idea) can be in conflict with Liberalism (an idea). The argument we are having is who can hold these ideas and from that, what other logical conclusions can be reached.

I don't believe in biological races in the human species but extended phenotype is real and has material consequences.

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095805785

I don’t see how you can reconcile the two views you presented. You might have to reread my post but it ended with “If ideas are tied to race, would best ideas help determine best race?” You now say you don’t believe in biological races but made a comment whites made liberalism and liberalism will disappear if whites disappear. These comments aren’t adding up.

 

[Hdfi]

Last post you brought up difference in men/ women.

To emphasize that there are innate differences between people. If you agree that there are innate differences between men and women, what makes you think that there are no innate differences between different human subpopulations that adapted and evolved in different environments under different selective pressures?

I don’t see how you can reconcile the two views you presented. You might have to reread my post but it ended with “If ideas are tied to race, would best ideas help determine best race?” You now say you don’t believe in biographical races but made a comment whites made liberalism and liberalism will disappear if whites disappear. These comments aren’t adding up.

why not? Just because I don't believe in biological human races doesn't mean everyone is innately the same. Small genetic differences can cause significant behavioral and physical effects. Why do you think blacks are overrepresented among the best Olympic sprinters? Why do you think whites are overrepresented among Nobel prize winners?

 

[Sweater of AV]

Why do you think whites are overrepresented among Nobel prize winners?

Good question. Why do you think the US is overrepresented among Nobel prize winners?

American whites > European whites.

 

[OneOfOne]

Nice subject change.

Do you agree the white people invented communism, socialism AND nazism? Yes or no?

It depends on how you define "white". Is Karl Marx white?

 

[milenss]

All Westeners are Nazis nowadays! Not just her...

 

[Lead]

To emphasize that there are innate differences between people. If you agree that there are innate differences between men and women, what makes you think that there are no innate differences between different human subpopulations?

Sex isn’t a social construct. Again, the term race is shaky in what it means and who gets to be what group.

What about how you used Muslim or was that just a mistake? That could be a case example here though. Say you run America and you are trying to do policy to preserve whatever you consider to be American culture. Here’s some options on the table:

-Approve visa of a dark skinned immigrant who isn’t Muslim and also has core beliefs in Liberalism.
-Approve visa of a light skinned immigrant who is Muslim and also has core beliefs against Liberalism.

Which option is the more appealing under your beliefs you presented here? Does it change if we pull the Muslim part out and just leave the skin and Liberalism pieces?

why not? Just because I don't believe in biological human races doesn't mean everyone is innately the same. Small genetic differences can cause significant behavioral and physical effects.
Why do you think blacks are overrepresented among the best Olympic sprinters? Why do you think whites are overrepresented among Nobel prize winners?

Why are we back to saying terms like white and black if you are dismissing biological race? Was there a point in bringing up extended phenotype if it’s getting back to the same discussion?

 

[Hog-train]

No such thing as "white culture." That's such a broad and retarded term.

There is Irish culture, Italian culture, German culture - WTF is white culture?

If you mean generic American culture, even that doesn't make sense because the US is so large and diverse. There is Texan culture. Amish culture. Cajun culture.

People might point to "black culture" as the counterpoint, but that comparison doesn't make sense on several levels. There is a lot more diversity and number of people among "white people." Lot less black people than white in America and they all have the same origins - the descendants of American slaves. Also refers to the Hip Hop influence.

 

[Lead]

People might point to "black culture" as the counterpoint, but that comparison doesn't make sense on several levels. There are a lot more diversity and number of people among "white people." Lot less black people than white in America and they all have the same origins - the descendants of American slaves. Also refers to the Hip Hop influence.

I think that also is wrong or at least poorly defined. Even if narrowed to “black (or African American culture”, it isn’t true all are descendents of American slaves (vast majority though) but more accurate adding American in. Still would stand a black person somewhere else in the world has a completely different culture than one in say Georgia.

For hip-hop, that furthers the point in how dumb it is for a race to specifically have a culture. Other races listen and perform hip hop. Same with rap or Jazz or blues. That isn’t to undermine their histories but it just isn’t racially exclusive.

 

[Hog-train]

I think that also is wrong or at least poorly defined. Even if narrowed to “black (or African American culture”, it isn’t true all are descendents of American slaves (vast majority though) but more accurate adding American in. Still would stand a black person somewhere else in the world has a completely different culture than one in say Georgia.

For hip-hop, that furthers the point in how dumb it is for a race to specifically have a culture. Other races listen and perform hip hop. Same with rap or Jazz or blues. That isn’t to undermine their histories but it just isn’t racially exclusive.

Yes that is technically correct, but in everyday use, "black culture" refers to African American culture with its hip hop influences.

But we don't even know WTF is meant by "white culture." Like WTF is that? People can't even define it.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

"white culture" is not a thing
there are no historical examples, or periods of time, or any kind of precedent whatsoever, for a thing called "white culture"
"whiteness" or being "white" is an idea that is only defined by exclusion - i.e. who is not white, is all that defines whiteness

To the ignorant and the dishonest, in their mind, "white culture" is the collective culture of all people with "white skin".

They want to talk about it like this objective thing, but history has proved whiteness is always changing and not some static objective concept.

Does your "white culture" include the Irish? What about Greeks, and Italians? Was the Roman empire white? Was classical Greece white?

If you say yes, it's just an objective fact that those groups were not considered white until within the last 1-2 centuries. So "white culture" isn't so objective, is it?

What about today? Are Albanians white? Are Serbs? Are Croatians? Are Basque people white? Their skin is white, so are they part of this "white culture"?

There is of course Irish culture, English culture, French culture, Italian culture, Scandinavian culture, German culture, Spanish culture, Russian culture, etc. Which of these cultures are "white" and which are not, is ever-changing.

So when you actually understand these concepts of whiteness and "white culture", as they exist in the real world, it becomes obvious why Grimes' tweet is problematic - "white culture" is not a thing and it has never existed.

Now, I'm willing to bet that Grimes is just a well-meaning ignorant normie, and in her mind "white culture" is just the collection of cultures of people with white skin, and that she is not dog-whistling white supremacist virtue signals.

All of these cultures were considered white by everybody outside of some stupid early 20th century Americans.
White is anybody that is indigenous to Europe. From Portugal to Russia. From Iceland to Sicily.

By the way, on the topic, Cyrus the Great was most definitely white as the Persian nobility came from the European steppes.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Nice subject change.

Do you agree the white people invented communism, socialism AND nazism? Yes or no?

Most world changing ideas come from Europe and their former colonies. Good or bad.
Capitalism, Republicanism, Democracy. Anarchism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism.
I struggle to think of a throughly Asian or African ideology that has been important in a worldwide scale since the 20th century. Maybe if we get very specific such as Maoism, but that's just Communism.

 

[RonDante]

"white culture" is not a thing
there are no historical examples, or periods of time, or any kind of precedent whatsoever, for a thing called "white culture"
"whiteness" or being "white" is an idea that is only defined by exclusion - i.e. who is not white, is all that defines whiteness

To the ignorant and the dishonest, in their mind, "white culture" is the collective culture of all people with "white skin".

They want to talk about it like this objective thing, but history has proved whiteness is always changing and not some static objective concept.

Does your "white culture" include the Irish? What about Greeks, and Italians? Was the Roman empire white? Was classical Greece white?

If you say yes, it's just an objective fact that those groups were not considered white until within the last 1-2 centuries. So "white culture" isn't so objective, is it?

What about today? Are Albanians white? Are Serbs? Are Croatians? Are Basque people white? Their skin is white, so are they part of this "white culture"?

There is of course Irish culture, English culture, French culture, Italian culture, Scandinavian culture, German culture, Spanish culture, Russian culture, etc. Which of these cultures are "white" and which are not, is ever-changing.

So when you actually understand these concepts of whiteness and "white culture", as they exist in the real world, it becomes obvious why Grimes' tweet is problematic - "white culture" is not a thing and it has never existed.

Now, I'm willing to bet that Grimes is just a well-meaning ignorant normie, and in her mind "white culture" is just the collection of cultures of people with white skin, and that she is not dog-whistling white supremacist virtue signals.

Irish, Italians, Greeks, etcetera, were always considered white

 

[RonDante]

Dude... we passed you guys up many years ago. We thank you for your contributions in the 1400s

Who’s we?

 

[djacobox372]

She’s so proud she deleted the tweet?

Seriously though. She shouldn’t generalize like that.

Nobody seems to care about generalization about "Asian Culture" or "Black Culture," even those are equally if not more ridiculous generalizations.

 

[jimmas99]

Nobody seems to care about generalization about "Asian Culture" or "Black Culture," even those are equally if not more ridiculous generalizations.

Its is equally as stupid, there are obviously many "white, Asian and black cultures" . Russian culture is different from Portuguese culture it should be obvious to everyone.

 

[tastaylvr]

Most world changing ideas come from Europe and their former colonies. Good or bad.
Capitalism, Republicanism, Democracy. Anarchism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism.
I struggle to think of a throughly Asian or African ideology that has been important in a worldwide scale since the 20th century. Maybe if we get very specific such as Maoism, but that's just Communism.

I mean most of the next generation technologies are coming out of China lol

I guess ai, quantum computing, high speed rail and nuclear power are nothing

You always post the most racist shit but are oblivious to most of the world.

 

[RonDante]

@Wadtucket they were. they were never banned from marrying white anglo Saxon Protestants which they would have been if they were considered non white, and they were never banned from white only unions

have you seen Irish people? No one is mistakingly calling them black