International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Koya]

Probably sure a good number of posters would repeat this lies. You know the ones that don't see palestinians as humans

 

[Hog-train]

Are you really going to rehash these worn out talking points?

Yes Israel faced more human rights violations than such pillars of the world like China, Russia, Yemen, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, Myanmar, etc etc etc....

Could it be because UN has 58 Muslim majority nations and they see it as their religious duty to support their 'brothers'?

Could it be because many in the Western world have become little more than useful idiots?

That's not how UN resolutions work.

These human rights resolutions are determined by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) which has a ROTATING 47 nation membership with each country serving 3 year terms.

So it is untrue (and not possible) that Israel is getting cited for UN human rights violations because all 58 Muslim countries are constantly voting for them.

The seats are distributed along the following lines:

13 from the African Group
13 from the Asia-Pacific Group
6 from the Eastern European Group
8 from the Latin American and Caribbean Group
7 from the Western European and Others Group

Snapshot of the participating countries in the last few years below.

 

[Anewt]

They were built on slave labor. You should read about what the ruling class Emiratis do to the Instagram models and influencers who get flown over there, all expenses paid.

I can't wait for the oil reserves to go dry so I can see these idiots go from driving Bentleys to riding camels again. Aside from oil, I can't think of anything of substance these countries have contributed to the world.

You should hear about this other country. It was also built on slave labour and you should read what the elites do on a private island to minors. ..... who also got flown there.... I doubt they got paid as well as the insta models tho....

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Netanyahu approves Rafah attack plans as aid ship reaches Gaza​

Israeli PM’s decision may be intended to put negotiating pressure on Hamas, observers say, after his cabinet discussed truce proposal

Benjamin Netanyahu has approved plans for an attack on Rafah, the southernmost city in Gaza, where more than a million people displaced from elsewhere in the territory have sought shelter, officials in Israel have said.

The decision was made as a ship towing a barge loaded with food arrived off Gaza on Friday. It was a test run for a new aid route by sea from Cyprus into the devastated Palestinian territory, where famine looms after five months of Israel’s military campaign.


Any attack on Rafah is likely to cause civilian casualties and worsen an already acute humanitarian crisis across Gaza.

Germany’s foreign affairs minister, Annalena Baerbock, tweeted: “A large-scale offensive in #Rafah cannot be justified. Over a million refugees have sought protection there and have nowhere to go. A humanitarian truce is needed immediately so that more people don’t die and the hostages are finally released.”

Netanyahu made the decision after a meeting of Israel’s war cabinet to discuss a new proposal from Hamas for a ceasefire.

As a first stage, Hamas has proposed it would release the Israeli women, children, elderly and sick people it is holding hostage in exchange for the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners, including some convicted of multiple murders of Israelis.

The militant Islamist organisation seized about 250 Israeli and foreign hostages when it launched an attack into Israel in October, killing about 1,200 people, mostly civilians. About half of the hostages were released during a week-long truce in November; Israel believes about 130 of the captives remain in Gaza and that 32 are dead.

The proposal, which came after talks were stalled for about 10 days, appears to allow for a definitive end to hostilities to be scheduled after, rather than before, a first 40-day ceasefire – a significant concession by Hamas.

Netanyahu’s office described the new demands as “unrealistic” but said an Israeli delegation would leave for Qatar, a key mediator in the negotiations, to discuss Israel’s position on a potential agreement.


Observers said the new announcement about plans to attack Rafah may have been intended to put pressure on Hamas during any talks.

Netanyahu’s office said the Israeli army was preparing “operational issues” and the evacuation of the civilian population from Rafah. No potential timeline was given for the assault. It could take many weeks to prepare the large force needed to take on the several thousand Hamas militants who Israeli officials say are based in the city.

Joe Biden has called an attack on Rafah a “red line” if undertaken without sufficient precautions to protect civilians. Few observers have been convinced by Israeli military officials’ promises to create protected zones to shelter huge numbers of civilians to be evacuated from the city before any assault.

Officials in Israel have repeatedly said destroying any remaining Hamas forces in Rafah is essential to achieving their war aims.

Israel’s military offensive in Gaza has killed at least 31,341 people, most of them women and children, according to the territory’s health ministry.

The UN has warned of famine in Gaza and the growing humanitarian emergency has prompted some countries to diversify aid supply routes, including by air and sea, as land access to Gaza via Jordan, Israel and Egypt remains limited.

On Friday a Spanish ship travelling a new maritime corridor from Cyprus began unloading its cargo of food at a makeshift jetty off the Gaza coast. It is unclear how the aid will be distributed. Fighting is continuing in parts of north and central Gaza, including around the areas where the jetty has been prepared.

Officials in the territory said Israeli fire killed 20 people waiting to receive aid on Thursday, in an echo of a similar incident at the end of February when scores of Palestinians were killed waiting for food trucks in the northern part of Gaza. The Israeli military denied the reports, which it said were part of a “smear campaign” aimed at instigating violence elsewhere.

Gaza officials said the attack occurred as a crowd gathered to receive aid from a truck at the Kuwait roundabout, a key interchange used by humanitarian convoys carrying food into northern Gaza. More than 150 people were wounded, they added.

Earlier on Thursday, eight people were killed in an airstrike on an aid distribution centre at the Nuseirat camp in central Gaza, health officials said.

The Gaza conflict has displaced most of the territory’s 2.3 million people, and there have been chaotic scenes and deadly incidents during aid distributions in recent weeks.

In the Kuwait roundabout incident, Mohammed Ghurab, the director of emergency services at a hospital in northern Gaza, said there were “direct shots by the occupation forces” on people waiting for a food truck.

An Israel Defense Forces statement said a preliminary review overnight had found “no tank fire, airstrike or gunfire was carried out toward the Gazan civilians at the aid convoy” and blamed “armed Palestinians” for the incident.

It said: “On Thursday 14 March 2024, the IDF facilitated the passage of a convoy of 31 humanitarian aid trucks … Approximately one hour before the arrival of the convoy [at] the humanitarian corridor, armed Palestinians opened fire while Gazan civilians were awaiting the arrival of the aid convoy. The Palestinian gunmen continued to shoot as the crowd of Gazans began looting the trucks. Additionally, a number of Gazan civilians were run over by the trucks.”

Mediators including Qatar, Egypt and the US had hoped to conclude a ceasefire deal before Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, which began on Monday. In Jerusalem, authorities deployed thousands of police around the Old City for Friday prayers.

Despite fears of clashes, by late afternoon an estimated 60,000 people had worshipped without incident. Israeli authorities placed a series of restrictions on worshippers, only issuing day permits for those travelling from the occupied West Bank, for example, and saying that some men under 60 years old would not be allowed to worship.

Hiyam Ashab, 63, said she had been afraid to travel from her home in East Jerusalem. “We have all been feeling tense because of the tragedy in Gaza. The previous years were better. This is supposed to be Ramadan but there are no lights, no decorations, no festivities. It makes me very sad,” she said.

Jowdat Ashab, 42, said it had taken nearly three hours to travel the 4 miles from the family’s house to the Old City. “I was afraid to bring my 15-year-old boy with me because we might have been stopped … Our soul is all the time in the mosque as Muslims. But the occupation is being very hard on us since the war began,” Ashab said.

Hamas leaders have called for massive protest marches by Palestinians during Ramadan, and analysts say this may be aimed at putting pressure on Israel to offer concessions in ceasefire negotiations.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-plans-for-rafah-attack-israeli-officials-say

 

[BIKES!]

I’m on a flight with trash wifi, sue me. The guy knows who it’s for.

If only you would speak what's really on your mind, those dubs would be a ban. Then I wouldn't mind counting how many times you blathered racist fantasy nonsense.

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

You should hear about this other country. It was also built on slave labour and you should read what the elites do on a private island to minors. ..... who also got flown there.... I doubt they got paid as well as the insta models tho....

Australia?

 

[Rholk]

Ministers said briefed that all signs indicate top Hamas leader Issa was killed in IDF strike

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www.timesofisrael.com

More good news, for people that actually oppose Hamas that is

 

[Anewt]

Australia?

Nah . We probably have far more Instagram models than people who are that " elite " It's more a export than import business model here .

Although I'm sure some Australian " global elite " got the invites and went. There's just very few Australians who matter globally.


Just dark humour mate heh. On a side note we were to cheap to even buy slaves . Hence convicts hah.

Also we're getting back our roots tho

The extraordinary case of the Queensland councillor seeking re-election while fighting a murder charge​

 

[Yorick]

lol, Schumer is such a pimp.

 

[BAM]

I was the same when I first heard of the attack because the initial reports I saw talking about the military targets they went after. Then the horrors that occurred at the Kibbutzim were reported.

Idk that they ordered their fighters to commit atrocities but I do think it was a logical consequence of the orders. You can't order fighters to enter civilian areas to kidnap people and not expect that civilians will die. Not to mention the ideology of the group dehumanizes the other so in an ethnic conflict like this such atrocities are common if there isn't a high level of discipline among the troops which clearly Hamas does not have.

I don't say this to defend them because whether or not it was ordered doesn't change the fact that leaders are responsible for the actions of their troops. IIRC at least one Japanese general who condemned and forbid atrocities against civilians was hung after the war because his troops committed those atrocities despite his orders.

yes, leaders are responsible for the actions of their soldiers/employees, same as any company or government. You need proper oversight and instructions.

As for intent, given how some of the soldiers had go-pros, would record killings and upload the deaths to the person's Facebook with their own phone and then call family members from the phones to mock their pain, the humiliation of the captives, stripping the dead naked, it seems like the sadism was done as provocation and premeditated. It wasn't merely that they killed people to facilitate hostage taking. Rather it seems it was done to provoke that Israel to respond as harshly as possible, so as to tank its reputation internationally.

Given the scale of these sadistic incidents, it would indicate that it was either encouraged by leadership or many were under the belief that it would not be punishable. Given the amount of control Hamas has in Gaza - schooling, childhood military training, spreading ideology, doing interrogations and torture to purge empathy of Israelis - the responsibility of Hamas leadership for all that happens increases.

 

[kflo]

Nah . We probably have far more Instagram models than people who are that " elite " It's more a export than import business model here .

Although I'm sure some Australian " global elite " got the invites and went. There's just very few Australians who matter globally.


Just dark humour mate heh. On a side note we were to cheap to even buy slaves . Hence convicts hah.

On a side note we're getting back our roots tho

The extraordinary case of the Queensland councillor seeking re-election while fighting a murder charge​

Tasmania dime….

 

[Anewt]

Tasmania dime….

Sadly the tribes there experienced genocide and ethnic cleansing to bring it back to terms debated itt .

Although. It was open warfare at the time which changes it for some. Depending how you use the words.

Our history is dark like all . But Tasmania's ls exceptionally dark by Australian standards imo

 

[kflo]

Sadly the tribes there experienced genocide and ethnic cleansing to bring it back to terms debated itt .

Although. It was open warfare at the time which changes it for some. Depending how you use the words.

Our history is dark like all . But Tasmania's ls exceptionally dark by Australian standards imo

Way too deep a reply!! Was just a joke!

 

[Snubnoze707]

Exposing "From the River to the Sea" hypocrisy:

 

[Yorick]

What is truly amazing is the amount of blatant pandering politicians engage in while human life hangs in the balance. And the disturbing, yet unsurprising, realization that politicians care only about power and money while innocent people suffer for their pursuits.

 

[BAM]

Exposing "From the River to the Sea" hypocrisy:

based on what I can find, it started as an Israeli phrase about sovereignty, and I think it implies a one-state solution. Then the PLO adopted a semi-ethnic cleaning counter protest version for their one state solution (depends on when you were born in the area, new arrivals would be removed somehow). Then Likud adopted it in the 1970s and Netanyahu also recently adopted to also mean a one state solution.

It's ambiguous how a one state solution will be achieved without bloodshed. Similarly, 'from the river to the sea Palestine will be free' is also ambiguous.

Where the sinisterness comes from is from the time of the 1st intifada in the late 80's, early 90s. That's where the genocide part came - 'from water to water Palestine will be Arab/Muslim'.

Given the ambiguity of the statement and how it is used, probably best it is retired.

 

[Siver!]

based on what I can find, it started as an Israeli phrase about sovereignty, and I think it implies a one-state solution. Then the PLO adopted a semi-ethnic cleaning counter protest version for their one state solution (depends on when you were born in the area, new arrivals would be removed somehow). Then Likud adopted it in the 1970s and Netanyahu also recently adopted to also mean a one state solution.

It's ambiguous how a one state solution will be achieved without bloodshed. Similarly, 'from the river to the sea Palestine will be free' is also ambiguous.

Where the sinisterness comes from is from the time of the 1st intifada in the late 80's, early 90s. That's where the genocide part came - 'from water to water Palestine will be Arab/Muslim'.

Given the ambiguity of the statement and how it is used, probably best it is retired.

It's a taunt, of course it should be retired.

But Netanyahu being as ridiculous as he is is very comfortable and happy taunting those he's murdering because he feels like nobody will ever stop him and he can do whatever he likes.

 

[DEVILsSON]

Palestinian gunmen, not Israeli forces, behind Gaza aid convoy deaths, IDF finds

Army says incident under investigation, with preliminary findings indicating Israeli forces did not fire upon Gazans gathered near aid trucks entering Gaza City

www.ynetnews.com

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Palestinian gunmen, not Israeli forces, behind Gaza aid convoy deaths, IDF finds
Army says incident under investigation, with preliminary findings indicating Israeli forces did not fire upon Gazans gathered near aid trucks entering Gaza City
Yoav Zitun | published: 05:09

The IDF on Friday denied allegations by Hamas that Israeli forces had fired on civilians awaiting aid in Gaza City, saying that soldiers had not used their weapons at any stage of the incident and pointed to Palestinian gunmen as the cause of the casualties.
stories:


The incident took place late on Thursday after the military allowed 31 aid trucks to pass into the Gaza Strip heading toward Gaza City in the territory's north. According to unverified Palestinian reports, at least 40 people waiting for the convoy have been killed in the incident.
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עזתים מתנפלים על משאיות הסיוע ברצועה
Palestinians gathering near aid trucks in Gaza (Photo: REUTERS/Kosay Al Nemer)
Gaza’s Hamas-controlled health ministry reported at least 21 dead and over 100 injured in the incident.

According to the IDF, Palestinian gunmen, who had arrived at the site earlier, opened fire on the crowd that approached the convoy, aiming to prevent them from looting and gathering near the trucks, resulting in fatalities.
“Approximately one hour before the arrival of the convoy to the humanitarian corridor, armed Palestinians opened fire while Gazan civilians were awaiting the arrival of the aid convoy. As aid trucks were entering, the Palestinian gunmen continued to shoot as the crowd of Gazans began looting the trucks. Additionally, a number of Gazan civilians were run over by the trucks,” the military’s statement read.
The IDF added that an investigation into the incident is currently underway, and said initial reports confirmed military forces in the area didn’t open fire against the crowding Palestinians at any stage.
עזתים מתנפלים על משאיות ברחוב א-ראשיד שברצועת עזה
Gazans crowding near aid truck in the Strip (Photo: Reuters)

“A review of our operational systems and IDF forces on the ground found that no tank fire, air-strike or gunfire was carried out toward the Gazan civilians at the aid convoy.”
The military emphasized its efforts to continue and support the facilitation of providing humanitarian aid throughout the Strip.
“Hamas terrorists continue to harm Gazan civilians who are seeking food – and Hamas is blaming Israel for it. As a result, on the first Friday of the month of Ramadan, a smear campaign was created with the aim of spreading baseless misinformation for the sake of instigating violence in other arenas,” the military said.

מפגן צבאי בעזה
Hamas terrorists in Gaza (Photo: EPA)
As tensions in Israel rise at the start of the Ramadan month, Hamas holds a great interest in escalating and inciting violence against Jews and Israelis by Palestinians in the West Bank.

This incident isn’t the first time the Gaza-based terror group attempted to blame Israel for the result of tragic deaths of Gazans in the Strip, as back in February it attempted to do the same in a similar incident in which over 100 people were killed in a largescale stampede near Gaza City.

Palestinian accounts and Hamas terrorists claimed at the time IDF soldiers opened fire against the crowd who attempted to reach the aid trucks, with the military later providing a detailed report showing its investigation found no soldier in the area opened fire in the incident."

 

[BAM]

apparently, this debate is 5 fucking hours of them just yelling at each other and trolling. Who in their right mind is sitting through that debate pervert stuff

 

[Yorick]

Not me.