Agreed, Herb Dean should have enforced the rule as written.Ref’s job is to enforce the rules as written, not do what fans want them to do.
Intent is the bigger factor, with injury being the other. When you have both intent and injury, a point deduction is supposed to be automatic. Points may be deducted if you have an intentional foul that doesn't injure (could be 2 points even) or if you have an injury causing foul that was unintentional.Even if he was down, intent is a key factor. No point should have been taken
This is why I've always hated "weight-bearing." That's nowhere near a binary concept. There are an infinite amount of degrees between thisAgree it’s a stupid rule, but to play devil’s advocate, how do you determine when it’s load bearing? Who’s to say that Roman wasn’t supporting himself with that hand when he got kicked? He could have been leaning on it. I don’t disagree with the spirit of this thread, but that stupid video doesn’t really prove anything. And the fact that Roman almost got finished in the first has no bearing on this subject.
But the problem is, it doesn't say that in the rules. If you go to Nevada's rules, or even the very article Weasle cited about Nevada accepting the rules and Bennett mentioning the weight thing, it specifically says "anything other than the soles of the feet touching the ground constitutes a grounded fighter." with zero mention of weight. So they might be using/teaching/pushing a form of the rule that isn't how they wrote it?
Oh shit. I fully did download a PDF straight from Nevada's site on my phone before posting, but it doesn't have any dates on it. Seems like they amended the rule, but still have the old ones up available for download.Umm, nope, the problem is you are letting stupid Youtubers think for you. Go actually read the rules yourself because that is absolutely not what they say. They specifically do say
"For the purposes of subsections 14 to 16, inclusive, an opponent shall be deemed to be a“grounded opponent” if at least one of the opponent’s hands is weight-bearing on the floor,including, but not limited to, the palm, fingers, or fist, or if one or more of the opponent’s bodyparts, other than a hand or sole of a foot, is touching the floor."
Which very specifically does mention weight.
Oh shit. I fully did download a PDF straight from Nevada's site on my phone before posting, but it doesn't have any dates on it. Seems like they amended the rule, but still have the old ones up available for download.
(See subsections 14-16 are there, but without that addition)
Good catch, but then why the fuck is this still up on their website?
Yup.Stupid rules lead to stupid decisions.
And yet every week here we are, talking about the same stupid shit.
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"Nevada Athletic Commission grounded" and the first results were a PDF straight from the NV commission website. Color me fucked, Sherbro, I thought I had it.You can't just blindly trust google my friend. Current rules on their website are https://boxing.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/boxingnvgov/content/faq/sections/2022-09-20-NRUC-OFFICIAL-FINAL DRAFT.pdf.
All MMA refs will be mandated to review their training by watching the scene from Invincible 500 timesThe ref is who is to say, that is his job and trusted with that authority. This case was extremely clear as he had all fingers and thumb bent against the mat clearly applying some force.
Weasle was low key accusing Herb Dean of having money on Dolitze.
All MMA refs will be mandated to review their training by watching the scene from Invincible 500 times
The Andy Foster California thing, yeah? Hopefully it gets passed. I mean, yeah this probably should logically be considered groundedHaha, that is an incredibly relevant clip or not depending on which commission.The ABC just a few days ago updated their recommended rules to eliminate this entire confusion so hopefully commissions will quickly adopt it but that likely will not happen. The new language states to be grounded something other than your hands and feet must be touching the mat.
Valid point, my memory failed. Two hands, not one.Agreed, Herb Dean should have enforced the rule as written.
To be fair it varies from state to state.Valid point, my memory failed. Two hands, not one.