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Y'all have no clue who eddie is do you?
Alvarez had only three fights in UFC before his big win against RDA
- a decision loss against Cerrone
- a split decision win against Melendez, who was also new in UFC and he was 1-1
- a split decision win against Pettis
How did he got a title shot?
Y'all have no clue who eddie is do you?
Yeah, just totally ignore that for years he was considered the best guy in the world at 155 outside of the UFC
None of that has ever mattered, ask Hector Lombard and a gang of others.
Eddie, of whom I am a huge fan for years, showed up to the UFC and got the brakes beaten off him by Cowboy.
He then won two very controversial split decisions back to back. Typically, this shouldn't land you a title shot. TS is noting a perfectly valid point here, that in the deepest division in the sport, Eddie caught a break getting his shot.
Fortunately for Eddie, he made the most of it and blasted RDA.
For some perspective, when Eddie was given his title shot coming off two split decisions and a loss, Tony Ferguson was on a 7 fight win streak in the UFC. He beat Tibau, Thomson and Barboza putting two of them away spectacularly. Khabib was also on a 7 fight win streak, including running over RDA.
There is zero doubt about it, Eddie was given a title shot ahead of several more deserving fighters. That is just how the business of MMA is run though.
Don't sit here and act like the prior 4 or 5 guys before him that held the belt didn't lose to guys in their division before. If you get your opportunity to fight for the belt, you make the most of it. He did. He had beaten several other guys, and had also just beaten the other guy that held the belt before RDA. He also won it by finish, and didn't hesitate to defend it right away which is a lot more than what I can say about a lot of these other fighters.
None of that has ever mattered, ask Hector Lombard and a gang of others.
Eddie, of whom I am a huge fan for years, showed up to the UFC and got the brakes beaten off him by Cowboy.
He then won two very controversial split decisions back to back. Typically, this shouldn't land you a title shot. TS is noting a perfectly valid point here, that in the deepest division in the sport, Eddie caught a break getting his shot.
Fortunately for Eddie, he made the most of it and blasted RDA.
For some perspective, when Eddie was given his title shot coming off two split decisions and a loss, Tony Ferguson was on a 7 fight win streak in the UFC. He beat Tibau, Thomson and Barboza putting two of them away spectacularly. Khabib was also on a 7 fight win streak, including running over RDA.
There is zero doubt about it, Eddie was given a title shot ahead of several more deserving fighters. That is just how the business of MMA is run though.
No. Fighters from Bellator (and other promitions) are often UNDERRATED as much as they're overrated. UFC WW Title Contender, Lorenz Larkin is 0-2 in Bellator. Matter of circumstance, and styles make fights.Lol, Bellator fighters are so overrated. Should Will Brooks have gotten a title shot as well ? He beat Chandler twice, something Eddie could never do. In the UFC, Brooks couldnt even beat a top 10 FW(Charles Oliveira)
The thing is Tony was never ranked ahead of Eddie.I can't defend points I never made.
What I am saying is objectively true - Tony Ferguson was on a 7 fight win streak over top 10 ranked opponents and he won definitively, including Tibau, Thomson and Barboza in a row.
There is no sane way on earth to explain how Eddie gets his ass spectacularly kicked by Cowboy, then eeks out two controversial split decisions, and jumps the line.
It was a business decision by the UFC.
The rest is another discussion.
Following up my last post:
Sherdog LW rankings May 2014:
1. Pettis 2. Benson 3. Melendez 4. Alvarez 5.Thomson 6.Khabib 7. Nate 8. RDA 9. Will Brooks 10. Michael Chandler
Proves Eddie and Melendez were both very highly ranked.
UFC LW rankings, january 2015
Champ: Pettis, 1. RDA 2. Khabib 3. Cerrone 4. Melendez 5. Bendo 6. Barboza 7. Thomson 8. Jury 9. Green 10. Eddie
*Eddie got a surprisingly low ranking. Sure, he did lose his debut, but I think they were just holding out til he proved he would cut it in the UFC.
With Cerrone beating Bendo, Jury and Barboza and them falling down the rankings that left space for Eddie to jump to #4 after he beat highly ranked Melendez.
Side note: At the time, Ferguson was just only bypassing Jury at #8.
UFC LW rankings january 2016:
Champ: RDA 1. Pettis 2.Khabib 3. Cerrone 4. Alvarez 5. Ferguson 6. MJ 7. Diaz 9. Dariush 10. Iaquinta
As you can see Pettis was still the no1 contender after losing to RDA. So beating Pettis was a HUGE deal for Alvarez, that earned him title shot.
Who else should've got it?
Cerrone had just lost his.
Khabib? Surely he had beaten RDA before, but he didn't have any other big wins, that win over Horcher didn't do enough for him compared to Alvarez beating the no1 contender.
The thing is Tony was never ranked ahead of Eddie.
Before the UFC Eddie was ranked #4 on Sherdog's world LW rankings.
Having lost to Cowboy he ended up as low as #10 on the UFC rankings in january 2015.
But by then Tony wasn't top 10 (this was before he face Tibau)
2015 was a great year for Tony, beating Tibau, Thomson, Barboza and by january 2016 he had rocketed into #5.
But Alvarez was ahead of Tony to begin with, and then he beat Melendez, who was higher ranked than any of the 3 guys Tony had faced ( #4 on Sherdog's world rankings in 2014 and #4 in the UFC rankings 2015, when Alvarez beat him)
And then Alvarez beat Pettis who was still ranked #1 at the time.
So Alvarez had the better wins
Quoting myself for extra details:
But if we're talking about how the UFC should've ranked someone or decided who should've got a title shot - shouldn't rankings play a big part in that? :SThe rankings don't mean anything, and 'world rankings' outside of the UFC mean less then nothing. Thats why we don't really know how Hector Lombard and Alvarez stacked up against their peers until they actually fought them..
You're dismissing Eddie's opponents, but you praise Tony's win streak without looking closer at his opponents.Both Pettis and Gil were in career skids, and Eddie eeked past them in controversial split decisions.
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Tony was on a 7 fight win streak.
how is RDA beating up much bigger men now?He beat an RDA off roids.
If you can't see the difference between RDA before he started his title run & when he won it you need glasses.
thats not an excuseRDA nearly died during his weight cut.
Who else was available at that point in time outside of maybe Cerrone