International Iran begins attack on Israel, launching dozens of drones that’ll take hours to arrive

Chuck Schumer the leader of all Democrats, literally just publicly called for elections in Israel like two weeks ago. lmao.
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Leader of all Democrats? That isn't President Joseph Robinette Biden?

An American Democratic Senator spoke the will of his constituents on American soil.....? What madness is this?

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So Schumer is not the president, he didn't go to Israel's parliament to take a dump in their house, and he is a leader in the country that is helping to foot the bill and protect an ungrateful Israel from the shitstorm they continue to fuel...
It's almost like these are entirely different situations.
 
Israel is a terrorist state. Iran's response is long overdue.

Israel exists because of US money and Palestinian land (zionist land theft). Take one of those away and things will go back to normal.

Let's see how much longer Israel can get away with geocoding the Palestinian people.


If you genuinely believe this, then the answer to your final point is "forever". Because if you truly believe all that you believe the Jews control the world. And own global superpower governments who aren't their own national governments.

Do you realise how powerful someone like that is? If that's what you believe Israel would've turned the entire Middle East Jewish by now. There would be no Muslims in that region.


It's two very conflicting viewpoints you're speaking.
 
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Leader of all Democrats? That isn't President Joseph Robinette Biden?

An American Democratic Senator spoke the will of his constituents on American soil.....? What madness is this?

[omg1]
So Schumer is not the president, he didn't go to Israel's parliament to take a dump in their house, and he is a leader in the country that is helping to foot the bill and protect an ungrateful Israel from the shitstorm they continue to fuel...
It's almost like these are entirely different situations.
He's right that its definitely a bit out of the ordinary for a high ranking politician like Schumer to call for something like that especially in light of the fact that he's one of the highest ranking Jewish-Americans in US history and an ardent Zionist himself. What I think gets missed in this conversation is that while the Democratic establishment is firmly Zionist, they remember Bibi's interference against Obama and hold it against him. Biden did not invite Bibi to the White House once but he did invite the leader of the opposition after Oct 7th.
 
So here's where we are as of today:

  • Israel likely to wait until after Passover to attack.
  • Seems likely that it will be either against IRGC assets in Syria, or, more likely IMO, against military bases and missile depots INSIDE Iran. Not nuclear sites.
  • Iran is poised to strike back immediately, likely with more cruise missiles and drones than last time, and ballistic missiles.

    What happens after that? Does Israel deem this expanded, non-orchestrated attack or attacks as existential and go full out? Does this war turn into constant flurries of missiles and bombings for the next 3 months? What does this thing even look like?
 
He's right that its definitely a bit out of the ordinary for a high ranking politician like Schumer to call for something like that especially in light of the fact that he's one of the highest ranking Jewish-Americans in US history and an ardent Zionist himself. What I think gets missed in this conversation is that while the Democratic establishment is firmly Zionist, they remember Bibi's interference against Obama and hold it against him. Biden did not invite Bibi to the White House once but he did invite the leader of the opposition after Oct 7th.

Just to point out too that the US is known for intervening in the internal affairs of many countries, but rarely will they ever interfere in the internal affairs of democracies and when they do they certainly don't take a side on it.


So here's where we are as of today:

  • Israel likely to wait until after Passover to attack.
  • Seems likely that it will be either against IRGC assets in Syria, or, more likely IMO, against military bases and missile depots INSIDE Iran. Not nuclear sites.
  • Iran is poised to strike back immediately, likely with more cruise missiles and drones than last time, and ballistic missiles.

    What happens after that? Does Israel deem this expanded, non-orchestrated attack or attacks as existential and go full out? Does this war turn into constant flurries of missiles and bombings for the next 3 months? What does this thing even look like?

Israel lacks capacity for a long range bombing campaign in Iran and its quite likely that Jordan and Saudi Arabia will close their skies if Israel does that.

They don't want to be seen as Israeli allies by shooting down Iranian drones and missiles while ignoring Israeli retaliation attacks.

The best bet is bombing Syria.
 

Netanyahu brushes off calls for restraint, saying Israel will decide how to respond to Iran’s attack​


BY JULIA FRANKEL AND TIA GOLDENBERG
Updated 7:05 PM BRT, April 17, 2024

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday his country would be the one to decide whether and how to respond to Iran’s major air assault earlier this week, brushing off calls for restraint from close allies.

Israel has vowed to respond to Iran’s unprecedented attack without saying when or how, leaving the region bracing for further escalation after months of unrest linked to the ongoing war in Gaza.

Israel’s allies have been urging Israel since the attack to hold back on any response that could spiral. These calls were repeated on Wednesday during visits by the British and German foreign ministers.
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The diplomatic pressures came as Iran’s president warned that even the “tiniest” invasion of its territory would bring a “massive and harsh” response. Violence meanwhile surged on Wednesday between Israel and the Iran-backed Lebanese militant Hezbollah group, which fired a volley of rockets and drones on northern Israel. The attack wounded at least 14 Israeli soldiers, six seriously, the army said. The military said it struck Hezbollah targets deep inside Lebanon in response.

Speaking to a meeting of his Cabinet, Netanyahu said he met Wednesday with both visiting foreign ministers and thanked them for their countries’ support. But he said Israel would make the call on its own on how to respond despite “all sorts of suggestions and advice” coming from Israel’s allies, some of whom — including the United States, the United Kingdom and France — helped Israel repel Iran’s drone and missile assault.

“I want to be clear: we will make our decisions ourselves. The state of Israel will do whatever is necessary to defend itself,” Netanyahu said.

Despite the tough rhetoric, Israel appears unlikely to attack Iran directly without at least the support of its top ally, the U.S. But it could resort to more covert methods such as targeting senior Iranian commanders or Iran-backed groups in other countries, or launching a cyber attack.

It’s unclear how Iran would then respond, given the heightened tensions — any miscalculation by either side risks setting off a regional war.

President Joe Biden’s administration on Tuesday said it would place new sanctions on Iran and has worked to coordinate a global rebuke of the attack while urging all sides to de-escalate. U.S. officials said earlier this week that Biden told Netanyahu that Washington would not participate in any offensive action against Iran.

Over the weekend, Iran launched hundreds of missiles and drones at Israel in response to an apparent Israeli strike on Iran’s Embassy compound in Syria on April 1 that killed 12 people, including two Iranian generals.

Israel says it and its partners successfully intercepted nearly all the missiles and drones. A 7-year-old girl was wounded in the attack, which did not cause any deaths or major damage.

Israel and Iran have waged a shadow war for decades, but the strike over the weekend was the first direct Iranian military attack on Israel.

With tensions surging, Israel’s allies have reinforced a message of restraint. British Foreign Secretary David Cameron and German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock each appealed for calm while on separate visits to the region.

Cameron said “it’s clear the Israelis are making a decision to act” against Iran, but he hoped they would do so “in a way that is smart as well as tough and also does as little as possible to escalate this conflict.” He spoke after meeting with Israel’s President Isaac Herzog, whose office is mainly ceremonial.

Baerbock said Germany stands “in full solidarity with Israel” but called on it to exercise restraint.

“Everyone must now act prudently and responsibly. I’m not talking about giving in. I’m talking about prudent restraint, which is nothing less than strength,” she told reporters. “Because Israel has already shown strength with its defensive victory at the weekend.”

The ministers said they would push for further international sanctions on Iran.

Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi warned Israel against any retaliation as he addressed an annual army parade, which had been relocated to a barracks from its usual route and was not carried live on state TV — possibly because of fears that it could be targeted.

In remarks carried by Iran’s official IRNA news agency, Raisi said the weekend attack was limited, and that if Iran had wanted to carry out a bigger attack, “nothing would remain from the Zionist regime.”

Regional tensions have soared since the Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel launched by Hamas and Islamic Jihad, Palestinian militant groups supported by Iran. The attack killed some 1,200 Israelis, and the militants took around 250 hostages. Israel responded with one of the deadliest and most destructive military onslaughts in recent history, killing nearly 34,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials, who do not distinguish between combatants and civilians in their count but say most of the dead are women and children.

Israel has withdrawn most of its forces from Gaza after major offensives that left its two biggest cities — Gaza City and Khan Younis — in ruins. But Israeli officials say the war is not over and that they plan to send ground forces into the southernmost Gaza city of Rafah, where more than half the territory’s population of 2.3 million people have sought refuge from fighting elsewhere.
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Hamas is still holding around 130 hostages, a quarter of whom are believed to be dead, and international efforts to broker a cease-fire and hostage release have made little progress.

Hezbollah, another close Iran ally, has traded fire with Israel along the border on a near-daily basis since the war began, in a low-intensity conflict that risks igniting all-out war. Iran-backed groups in Iraq and Syria have also launched attacks, and the Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen have targeted international shipping in the Red Sea, portraying it as a blockade of Israel.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-iran-tensions-hamas-war-news-32b1875bcf167b17ed28172f7146eaf7
 
He's right that its definitely a bit out of the ordinary for a high ranking politician like Schumer to call for something like that especially in light of the fact that he's one of the highest ranking Jewish-Americans in US history and an ardent Zionist himself. What I think gets missed in this conversation is that while the Democratic establishment is firmly Zionist, they remember Bibi's interference against Obama and hold it against him. Biden did not invite Bibi to the White House once but he did invite the leader of the opposition after Oct 7th.
I agree that it isn't the norm, just that isn't the same situation. HIs "But Schumer..." completely ignores the context of both situations which help to give color as to why each happened. Schumer's statement came months and thousands of dead bodies after Israel's continued defiance, and there is that history with the Democrats (which Schumer was part of) and Bibi.
And more importantly, this guy has been playing dumb and acting like this is all just normal politics--blaming anti-semitism for criticisms of Israel to obfuscate a clear issue.
 
Well when Iran was governed by moderates and was willing to negotiate Israel made sure by going "against the entire world" that such negotiations failed.

Now moderates are gone and hardliners are in, that's indeed a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Tell me more about how all of these messianic Jihadists all over the middle east would all put down their arms and would be holding hands and drinking tea with one another if Bibi just had supported the Iran deal.
You’re content to make really reductionist arguments “you reap what you sow” blaming Israel for the ills of the region without casting any blame on parties for their own beliefs or actions. Israel is the reason hardlining Islamists are in power in Iran. Israel is responsible for Hezbollah being in power in Lebanon. Israel is responsible for Hamas, etc.
You’re obviously mad and want to attribute tremendous disproportionate blame and responsibility to one party. The snarky comment made earlier about Israel destroying itself and there being peace in the middle east seems to be a non hyperbolic summary of your views.
 
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I agree that it isn't the norm, just that isn't the same situation. HIs "But Schumer..." completely ignores the context of both situations which help to give color as to why each happened. Schumer's statement came months and thousands of dead bodies after Israel's continued defiance, and there is that history with the Democrats (which Schumer was part of) and Bibi.
And more importantly, this guy has been playing dumb and acting like this is all just normal politics--blaming anti-semitism for criticisms of Israel to obfuscate a clear issue.
My point is that even to the extent that he's right that Schumer calling for an election is similar to Bibi's stunt it would speak more so to how out of the ordinary Schumer's statement than making Bibi's stunt seem any more normal. I agree he's being incredibly bad faith with the antisemitism accusations. I don't see any reason to be reading anything like that from what Rod1 has been saying here.
 
Tell me more about how all of these messianic Jihadists all over the middle east would all put down their arms and would be holding hands and drinking tea with one another if Bibi just had supported the Iran deal.
You’re content to make really reductionist arguments “you reap what you sow” blaming Israel for the ills of the region without casting any blame on parties for their own beliefs or actions. Israel is the reason hardlining Islamists are in power in Iran. Israel is responsible for Hezbollah being in power in Lebanon. Israel is responsible for Hamas, etc.
You’re obviously mad and want to attribute tremendous disproportionate blame and responsibility to one party. The snarky comment made earlier about Israel destroying itself and there being peace in the middle east seems to be a non hyperbolic summary of your views.
I think it should be remembered that at the time Hamas had split with Iran due to the war in Syria. So much so that their leadership got expelled from Syria and went to Doha.
Iran and Hezbollah were fighting Sunni Islamists in Syria while Hamas was supporting them. They were fighting ISIS and AQ, too.
That was a good time for diplomacy and it's possible that Israel and the US could've used that as a condition. Stop funding Hamas or we ditch the deal.
Instead Israel gave support to Al Qaeda(!!!!)
Yes, the greatest US ally was helping AQ, the guys who did 9/11, according to the antisemitic publication the jpost.
 
I don't see any reason to be reading anything like that from what Rod1 has been saying here.
From the mod who routinely likes overtly antisemitic posts. We can all sleep soundly now.
 
My point is that even to the extent that he's right that Schumer calling for an election is similar to Bibi's stunt it would speak more so to how out of the ordinary Schumer's statement than making Bibi's stunt seem any more normal. I agree he's being incredibly bad faith with the antisemitism accusations. I don't see any reason to be reading anything like that from what Rod1 has been saying here.
Ah, I see what you mean now. That's fair.
 
Tell me more about how all of these messianic Jihadists all over the middle east would all put down their arms and would be holding hands and drinking tea with one another if Bibi just had supported the Iran deal.

And back to hyperbole we go.

Iran won't become a peaceful nation just like Israel would never return to 1967 borders.

The only way to get a maximalist goal is to force an unconditional surrender, what we do have however is the fact that Iran negotiated a de-escalation and Israel sabotaged it in Bibi's own words "against the whole world".

When collective West, China and Russia agree on something its probably a good thing except when it comes to Israel, Israel wants and needs go above the entirety of the international community, i guess it is indeed gods chosen.
 
Interesting that Saudi Arabia is siding with Israel.

How come they are not on the "Genocide" bandwagon?

Because Saudi Arabia is now ruled by a despot who isn't a true believer, current crown prince is basically an Arabic Putin, he will wrap himself in all the holiness of religion but deep down he is just a mob boss.
 
My point is that even to the extent that he's right that Schumer calling for an election is similar to Bibi's stunt it would speak more so to how out of the ordinary Schumer's statement than making Bibi's stunt seem any more normal. I agree he's being incredibly bad faith with the antisemitism accusations. I don't see any reason to be reading anything like that from what Rod1 has been saying here.

Its like when Russian apologists say "But Iraq" when they talk about Ukraine people are like "Yeah buddy, comparing Putin to Dubya is not helping your case"
 
lol how? It's not possible without Iran getting destroyed at the same exact time.
Because by then China will the world's dominant superpower and they will side with Iran selling them the best missile defense tech. This isn't the cold war where it's impossible to intercept nuke strikes.
 
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