Let's talk about the story of Death Row Records.

[RollSonnenRoll]

DEATH ROW IS IN THE HIYA-HIYA-HIYA-YAYAYAYA-HOUUUSEE

 

[TheLastSpartan]

Here's what likely happened (and what I believe):

In '94, Pac was robbed and shot in NYC by affiliates of a known drug trafficker named Jimmy 'Henchman' Rosemond. Biggie was allegedly aware of the set-up prior to it happening hence his song "Who Shot Ya?".

This fueled the East Coast-West Coast rap feud to unforeseen heights.

In '96, Pac (who was a hothead) and entourage jumped a notorious Crips gang member named Orlando 'Baby Lane' Anderson at the MGM in Vegas.

3 hrs later that night, Anderson and his cohorts allegedly shoot and kill Pac in retaliation on the Strip via drive-by.

The events in Vegas were completely unrelated to Biggie or Bad Boy Records.

In '97, unknown assailant shoots and kills Biggie in LA presumably believing he was somehow responsible for Pac's murder (which he most likely wasn't).

 

[Seven30]

Yep and they stomped him out because he stole Tray Deee’s or another Death Row associate’s chain; cant remember exactly. People have to make conspiracies out of everything.

DEFINITELY wasn't Tray Dee's chain...it was Travon Lane...aka "Tray." I can see how you could easily get that confused, being that they're both known as "Tray."

 

[Seven30]

Here's what likely happened (and what I believe):

In '94, Pac was robbed and shot in NYC by affiliates of a known drug trafficker named Jimmy 'Henchman' Rosemond. Biggie was allegedly aware of the set-up prior to it happening hence his song "Who Shot Ya?".

This fueled the East Coast-West Coast rap feud to unforeseen heights.

In '96, Pac (who was a hothead) and entourage jumped a notorious Crips gang member named Orlando 'Baby Lane' Anderson at the MGM in Vegas.

3 hrs later that night, Anderson and his cohorts allegedly shoot and kill Pac in retaliation on the Strip via drive-by.

The events in Vegas were completely unrelated to Biggie or Bad Boy Records.

In '97, unknown assailant shoots and kills Biggie in LA presumably believing he was somehow responsible for Pac's murder (which he most likely wasn't).

"Who shot ya?" wasn't directed at Tupac. It was written and recorded long before Pac was shot. Hip Hop heads in NYC remember bits and pieces of the song in mixtape freestyles by Biggie.

In fact, a portion of the song was supposed to be used on a Mary J Blige album that also preceded Pac's shooting and the Bad Boy/Death Row beef.

I heard most of Who Shot Ya long before they were even beefing....

 

[Vergilius]

Yeah those are two things Vlad has asked a number of people about. Crazy that Hammer was really with it and 2pac and Suge were seen as people who just paid their way in.

And yeah, weird that Puffy has become so mainstream with the amount of dirt he's done. The stuff about his bodyguard Wolf is gnarly too.

Great interview. Saw the whole thing and I'm not even a big rap fan. Here is Redman talking about Hammer and how legit he was - as well as talking about the 90'ies scene in general.

 

[StewDogg11]

Great interview. Saw the whole thing and I'm not even a big rap fan. Here is Redman talking about Hammer and how legit he was - as well as talking about the 90'ies scene in general.

The one where he talks about him and Cesar Milan is pretty good too.

 

[TheLastSpartan]

"Who shot ya?" wasn't directed at Tupac. It was written and recorded long before Pac was shot. Hip Hop heads in NYC remember bits and pieces of the song in mixtape freestyles by Biggie.

In fact, a portion of the song was supposed to be used on a Mary J Blige album that also preceded Pac's shooting and the Bad Boy/Death Row beef.

I heard most of Who Shot Ya long before they were even beefing....

Unfortunate release timing I guess. After that song came out, not a soul in the world could've convinced Pac that Biggie had nothing to do with the shooting.

 

[Davem10]

I coincidentally watched that mob James interview the other day, really intriguing

Went down a rabbit hole after that watching related interviews and original interviews from the time death row were large

I've always been a fan of rap music, especially 2pac. After watching the interviews and learning the names and places and goings on I started picking things up in his songs that I hadn't noticed before. Not hidden messages or anything, just things like below

2:58



He's shouting out his boys, and he mentions mob James brother, "Neckbone, Tray, Heron, Bundry too"

Just something that wouldnt even register usually, now it has meaning and interest as I know about some of the people he's shouting out

Out of the entire thing I find it most amusing how Suge had everyone on lock, just terrified of him. The hood boogie man, the real Deebo. Was impressive what he done

Another thing what stood out the most and I can't seem to find an answer too was at one point mob James says something to the affect of, "Suge wasn't the big boss he made out, people were putting pressure on Suge too". The interviewer then pressed him on who that was and mob James says "an old white man who looks real similar to this guy"

So how could the big gangster Suge Knight who terrified the whole hood, be being put under pressure by some old white dude, how is that possible

The only thing I can assume is that old white guy was a mafia boss. Suge and death rows lawyer David Kenner was a high powered Jew lawyer with mafia connections, so maybe he introduced Suge to the real mob, launder drug money through death row? Just speculation on my part but who else could the old white man be that could pressure a figure like Suge Knight

 

[Pliny Pete]

Brenda had a baby was released way before tupac made it to the westcoast so that story sounds made up as hell.

Pac was out here in the Bay Area in the 80's
He was working with a few local groups and then hooked up with Oakland group Digital Underground which is when he made his debut on Same Old Song
His whole career took place out here on the West Coast

 

[Zyklon R]

I coincidentally watched that mob James interview the other day, really intriguing

Went down a rabbit hole after that watching related interviews and original interviews from the time death row were large

I've always been a fan of rap music, especially 2pac. After watching the interviews and learning the names and places and goings on I started picking things up in his songs that I hadn't noticed before. Not hidden messages or anything, just things like below

2:58



He's shouting out his boys, and he mentions mob James brother, "Neckbone, Tray, Heron, Bundry too"

Just something that wouldnt even register usually, now it has meaning and interest as I know about some of the people he's shouting out

Out of the entire thing I find it most amusing how Suge had everyone on lock, just terrified of him. The hood boogie man, the real Deebo. Was impressive what he done

Another thing what stood out the most and I can't seem to find an answer too was at one point mob James says something to the affect of, "Suge wasn't the big boss he made out, people were putting pressure on Suge too". The interviewer then pressed him on who that was and mob James says "an old white man who looks real similar to this guy"

So how could the big gangster Suge Knight who terrified the whole hood, be being put under pressure by some old white dude, how is that possible

The only thing I can assume is that old white guy was a mafia boss. Suge and death rows lawyer David Kenner was a high powered Jew lawyer with mafia connections, so maybe he introduced Suge to the real mob, launder drug money through death row? Just speculation on my part but who else could the old white man be that could pressure a figure like Suge Knight

Jerry Heller maybe.

 

[Davem10]

Jerry Heller maybe.

Nah, people like that, normal guys, defo couldnt pressure Suge

 

[Stargazer Rex]

All in the videos...dancing

@RollSonnenRoll <Lmaoo>

 

[eighterumg5]

D'awwww you think all your entertainment is genuine.

Ignorance truly is bliss.

Got any sources?

 

[ScarfaceJr]

"Trance Formation of America" Cathy O'Brien

"Thanks for the Memories" Brice Taylor

You'll also want to look up "project mockingbird", "cointelpro", "Mk ultra athletes/entertainers" and all that other fun stuff that leads you deep down the rabbit hole.

 

[all caps]

I've been somewhat following this story as well. Really interesting stuff.

Someone, cant remember who right now, said that some young kids found BARRELS full of brand new guns, just left by train tracks were they would obviously be found. And went on to say it looked like the government had intentionally left them there as a way to add fuel onto the fire of the gang violence.

interesting to think about..

 

[ScarfaceJr]

Great interview. Saw the whole thing and I'm not even a big rap fan. Here is Redman talking about Hammer and how legit he was - as well as talking about the 90'ies scene in general.

Hot Dayum
Reggie Noble. I might watch these now.

boy oh boy
wish the government would lead me a box of guns lying around.....
certainly wouldn't be using it to kill my own people. If only the brothas in chicago was hip

 

[forum poster]

I don't think this belongs in the music sub-forum because it's really a crime/gang story that just happened to occur within the music industry.

When I was younger, I always thought that 2pac's murder was unsolved and that no one had any idea what happened. I've been watching these VladTV interviews recently though, and apparently everyone associated with the situation has known exactly who killed him and why right from the beginning. It was a South Side Compton Crip named Baby Lane that 2pac, Suge and their entourage had just jumped in a casino after a Tyson fight in Vegas. He ended up getting killed himself a few years later in a shootout over a drug debt that was completely unrelated.

At first I just thought it was compelling and was interested to hear more, but now that Vlad keeps getting more of the guys who were actually involved on to talk about it, I think it's one of the craziest stories of all time. Everything from how Suge Knight got into the business to how 2pac started affiliating himself with the Mob Pirus, Puffy getting friendly with the South Side Compton Crips and allegedly paying them to kill both 2pac and Suge, the police involvement and shady characters like Reggie Wright Jr. who was Compton PD but then started working as security for Death Row, them finally going out of business, etc. It's all insane and truly a time and place type story that couldn't have happened before then and will never be repeated.

If you aren't familiar with any of it, I'd recommend watching this Mob James interview. It's legitimately one of the best interviews I've ever watched in my life. Even if you aren't a hip hop fan or have no knowledge of gangs or anything like that, it's a great watch as a standalone story. As he goes deeper into what happened, it's hard to believe that this shit is actually real. He talks about how 2pac and Suge never had any business acting like they were Mob and how it ended up with a ton of the Mob Pirus killing each other over the money.

Spoiler

I figured that this story was winding down and that Vlad couldn't milk it too much longer, but now he's got Keefe D on, who's Baby Lane's uncle and is the last living person who was in the car when they killed 2pac. Apparently he was looking at a lot of prison time for PCP possession and that's how they got him to tell the story of what happened. Vlad releases these in parts so they're probably still a few days away from him talking about the murder, but they've got me hooked and checking this shit daily waiting for it.

I've been fascinated with this shit for years for some reason. I don't even really like rap.

The Murder Rap book and TV series are really good. Baby lane was a true savage who pac shouldn't of fucked with. He had already killed at least 5 people.
I'm reading Keefe D's book at the moment. I can send you a link to the pdf if you want.

For real, Vlad is the hip hop generation's Woodward and Bernstein.

BG Knocc Out's interviews are great, too. He was Baby Lane's best friend and one of the dudes that rapped on Eazy E's "Real Mothafkin Gs"

It's pretty funny how almost all of Vlad's audience hates him.

"Who shot ya?" wasn't directed at Tupac. It was written and recorded long before Pac was shot. Hip Hop heads in NYC remember bits and pieces of the song in mixtape freestyles by Biggie.

In fact, a portion of the song was supposed to be used on a Mary J Blige album that also preceded Pac's shooting and the Bad Boy/Death Row beef.

I heard most of Who Shot Ya long before they were even beefing....

Who shot ya might not have been directed at pac but "Long kiss goodnight" was a pac diss after pac died.

 

[Satsui Ryu]

At this point I find the Biggie murder a little more interesting since it seems like there really isn't a solid story on what happened there. Only a lot of speculation. 2Pac's murder is unofficially solved.

Here is anothere interesting interview with Snoop talking about when 2Pac confronted Nas. It's validity has been questioned, but if true pretty much shows 2Pac was going to be murdered sooner or later

 

[MarloStanfield]

How did EZ go from full health to dieded of full blown aids in a few months?

Yeah how come that

 

[HunterSdVa29]

This guy's channel was the shit but got demonetized

had a great 'goons of the industry' series
regarding this topic, although there's much more on the Tupac shit on the Orlando Anderson video

literally every guy on the Thumbnail is dead or in jail for life/long term

damn son