Let's talk about the story of Death Row Records.

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OCEANCIDAL said:
I don't think this belongs in the music sub-forum because it's really a crime/gang story that just happened to occur within the music industry.

When I was younger, I always thought that 2pac's murder was unsolved and that no one had any idea what happened. I've been watching these VladTV interviews recently though, and apparently everyone associated with the situation has known exactly who killed him and why right from the beginning. It was a South Side Compton Crip named Baby Lane that 2pac, Suge and their entourage had just jumped in a casino after a Tyson fight in Vegas. He ended up getting killed himself a few years later in a shootout over a drug debt that was completely unrelated.

At first I just thought it was compelling and was interested to hear more, but now that Vlad keeps getting more of the guys who were actually involved on to talk about it, I think it's one of the craziest stories of all time. Everything from how Suge Knight got into the business to how 2pac started affiliating himself with the Mob Pirus, Puffy getting friendly with the South Side Compton Crips and allegedly paying them to kill both 2pac and Suge, the police involvement and shady characters like Reggie Wright Jr. who was Compton PD but then started working as security for Death Row, them finally going out of business, etc. It's all insane and truly a time and place type story that couldn't have happened before then and will never be repeated.

If you aren't familiar with any of it, I'd recommend watching this Mob James interview. It's legitimately one of the best interviews I've ever watched in my life. Even if you aren't a hip hop fan or have no knowledge of gangs or anything like that, it's a great watch as a standalone story. As he goes deeper into what happened, it's hard to believe that this shit is actually real. He talks about how 2pac and Suge never had any business acting like they were Mob and how it ended up with a ton of the Mob Pirus killing each other over the money.



I figured that this story was winding down and that Vlad couldn't milk it too much longer, but now he's got Keefe D on, who's Baby Lane's uncle and is the last living person who was in the car when they killed 2pac. Apparently he was looking at a lot of prison time for PCP possession and that's how they got him to tell the story of what happened. Vlad releases these in parts so they're probably still a few days away from him talking about the murder, but they've got me hooked and checking this shit daily waiting for it.
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The record studio shooting was much more interesting

P-Diddy set Tupac up to get blown away
 
I always thought is was widely known that he was murdered because he had some dirt on Hilary Clinton
 
This was on a mixtape Bad boy released. It's Hit em up playing with Puffy talking over it.
 
Satsui Ryu said:
At this point I find the Biggie murder a little more interesting since it seems like there really isn't a solid story on what happened there. Only a lot of speculation. 2Pac's murder is unofficially solved.
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It's crazy how Biggies murder gets comparably zero attention. There's a thousand videos, documentaries and books on Pac's murder, but close to nothing on Biggie's.

It's often just explained as "retaliation for Pac's murder" but that's it, no details.
 
Possum Jenkins said:
It's crazy how Biggies murder gets comparably zero attention. There's a thousand videos, documentaries and books on Pac's murder, but close to nothing on Biggie's.

It's often just explained as "retaliation for Pac's murder" but that's it, no details.
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Probably has a lot to do with 2Pac being a much more larger than life character. From his activist upbringing to his extremely bipolar personality and massive amounts of charisma his life and death just had much more of an interesting story to it. Outside of selling a lot of records and being a lyrical beast, there wasn't a whole lot more to Biggie that set him apart from any other rapper. Plus Biggie's murder was more likely to he cut and dry whereas the possibilities in 2Pac's murder were much more numerous.

The irony is with 2Pac's death, with all the grandiose possibilities of what could've happened, it was so anticlimactic in that it all ended with a fight he didn't even really participate in.
 
I’m not really interested in all their shenanigans. I just like the music.
 
Satsui Ryu said:
Probably has a lot to do with 2Pac being a much more larger than life character. From his activist upbringing to his extremely bipolar personality and massive amounts of charisma his life and death just had much more of an interesting story to it. Outside of selling a lot of records and being a lyrical beast, there wasn't a whole lot more to Biggie that set him apart from any other rapper. Plus Biggie's murder was more likely to he cut and dry whereas the possibilities in 2Pac's murder were much more numerous.

The irony is with 2Pac's death, with all the grandiose possibilities of what could've happened, it was so anticlimactic in that it all ended with a fight he didn't even really participate in.
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I honestly liked Pac's music a lot more. I wonder if Biggie would get talked about as much now if it wasn't for his beef with 2pac and getting killed. Imagine if he died for a heart attack or something like Big Pun. He might be remembered similarly.
 
TheLastSpartan said:
Unfortunate release timing I guess. After that song came out, not a soul in the world could've convinced Pac that Biggie had nothing to do with the shooting.
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Very true...DEFINITELY added rocket fuel to a raging inferno.
 
forum poster said:
I've been fascinated with this shit for years for some reason. I don't even really like rap.

The Murder Rap book and TV series are really good. Baby lane was a true savage who pac shouldn't of fucked with. He had already killed at least 5 people.
I'm reading Keefe D's book at the moment. I can send you a link to the pdf if you want.




It's pretty funny how almost all of Vlad's audience hates him.


Who shot ya might not have been directed at pac but "Long kiss goodnight" was a pac diss after pac died.
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I don't think so. Biggie has more lyrics going at people like Nas than he did going at Tupac. He honestly was hoping shit would blow over so that they could work together again.
 
Seven30 said:
I don't think so. Biggie has more lyrics going at people like Nas than he did going at Tupac. He honestly was hoping shit would blow over so that they could work together again.
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Today is the 22 anniversary of The Notorious B.I.G.’s sophomore album, Life After Death, which stirred up controversy upon release with subliminal disses seemingly directed at some of his biggest rivals. One of the biggest sources of speculation was “Long Kiss Goodnight,” which appeared to take numerous shots at 2Pac despite never mentioning his name. In a 2003 XXL oral history, Biggie’s close collaborator Lil' Cease cleared up any confusion about the track.

According to Cease, Biggie originally said some “terrible” things about 2Pac before scaling the song back:

That was a one-nighter. That was about ’Pac. He had some shit at the beginning of that though, nobody heard it, on the reel. We had to change it. It was a little too much. I can’t remember what Big said about him, but it was terrible. It couldn’t make it. He didn’t want to do it. He had some fire. But he didn’t want to make it too much. He just wanted to address it and to let :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: know, ‘I know what’s going on, and I could get wreck if I want to.’ Like, ‘If I really wanted to get on ya :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:s, I could.’

Despite the changes, the RZA-produced “Long Kiss Goodnight” is peppered with lines which could be interpreted as referring to Biggie’s Death Row rival.





https://genius.com/a/lil-cease-conf...s-taking-shots-at-2pac-on-long-kiss-goodnight
 
Worst thing Death Row has ever done was not do anything with Crooked I.
 
forum poster said:
Today is the 22 anniversary of The Notorious B.I.G.’s sophomore album, Life After Death, which stirred up controversy upon release with subliminal disses seemingly directed at some of his biggest rivals. One of the biggest sources of speculation was “Long Kiss Goodnight,” which appeared to take numerous shots at 2Pac despite never mentioning his name. In a 2003 XXL oral history, Biggie’s close collaborator Lil' Cease cleared up any confusion about the track.

According to Cease, Biggie originally said some “terrible” things about 2Pac before scaling the song back:

That was a one-nighter. That was about ’Pac. He had some shit at the beginning of that though, nobody heard it, on the reel. We had to change it. It was a little too much. I can’t remember what Big said about him, but it was terrible. It couldn’t make it. He didn’t want to do it. He had some fire. But he didn’t want to make it too much. He just wanted to address it and to let :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: know, ‘I know what’s going on, and I could get wreck if I want to.’ Like, ‘If I really wanted to get on ya :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:s, I could.’

Despite the changes, the RZA-produced “Long Kiss Goodnight” is peppered with lines which could be interpreted as referring to Biggie’s Death Row rival.





https://genius.com/a/lil-cease-conf...s-taking-shots-at-2pac-on-long-kiss-goodnight
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I honestly don't recall ever hearing this. Not sure if Cease is trying to gain attention by saying this or if it's actually true. But in the 90s, people made songs like this all the time and it usually wasn't directed at anyone in specific. But, Cease is a much better source than I am...‍♂️ I could certainly be wrong...
 
2pac was doomed the day he wrote this song
 
Most versions of how\why 2 pac was killed are believable. The only ones I don't ever believe are the ones that involve Puff Daddy being involved. That dude isn't about killing anyone or being involved in any of that shit.
 
Zyklon R said:
Too many conflicting stories about what really happened.
I saw an interview on YouTube right after the Vegas shooting of Tupac, and some lady on the scene said she saw Tupac being airlifted onto a helicopter and not transported by the ambulance to the hospital.
I think Snoop might know what happened and others but no one is going to say who it was, although I even saw some videos about it being Snoops cousin who killed Tupac, 1/2 Dead. He had a music video showing a same/similar white Cadillac described in the shooting after the murder happened while he put on a ski-mask and then an album cover showing what appeared to be Tupac shot in the head along with the outlawz rapper Khadafi who also was shot and killed. Apparently he killed Tupac was because the song Brenda has a Baby was stolen from him by Tupac and made a hit song.
I also know Snoop and Tupac were having problems with each other due to jealousy because Snoop was supposed to be the face of Death Row not Tupac but Tupac ended up becoming the bigger star until he was murdered. Some people still keep saying hes alive but who knows, there was a video where it pointed out discrepancies with his autopsy photo.

Either way, there were a lot of people involved directly and indirectly from what I've gathered of the many different videos and interviews.

Another crazy one is if you've seen the picture of Tupac in Suge knight BMW that last picture taken of him alive, its supposed to have been taken seconds before he was killed and by the people or person that shot him which is why he had the surprised or worried look on his face.

Who knows if any of it is true, those are just some interesting things I've taken from the videos I've seen mostly on youtube.
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I actually have studied this since a kid after it happened and I basically know the ins and outs of the entire saga.
Anyone questions I could probably answer
 
OCEANCIDAL said:
I don't think this belongs in the music sub-forum because it's really a crime/gang story that just happened to occur within the music industry.

When I was younger, I always thought that 2pac's murder was unsolved and that no one had any idea what happened. I've been watching these VladTV interviews recently though, and apparently everyone associated with the situation has known exactly who killed him and why right from the beginning. It was a South Side Compton Crip named Baby Lane that 2pac, Suge and their entourage had just jumped in a casino after a Tyson fight in Vegas. He ended up getting killed himself a few years later in a shootout over a drug debt that was completely unrelated.

At first I just thought it was compelling and was interested to hear more, but now that Vlad keeps getting more of the guys who were actually involved on to talk about it, I think it's one of the craziest stories of all time. Everything from how Suge Knight got into the business to how 2pac started affiliating himself with the Mob Pirus, Puffy getting friendly with the South Side Compton Crips and allegedly paying them to kill both 2pac and Suge, the police involvement and shady characters like Reggie Wright Jr. who was Compton PD but then started working as security for Death Row, them finally going out of business, etc. It's all insane and truly a time and place type story that couldn't have happened before then and will never be repeated.

If you aren't familiar with any of it, I'd recommend watching this Mob James interview. It's legitimately one of the best interviews I've ever watched in my life. Even if you aren't a hip hop fan or have no knowledge of gangs or anything like that, it's a great watch as a standalone story. As he goes deeper into what happened, it's hard to believe that this shit is actually real. He talks about how 2pac and Suge never had any business acting like they were Mob and how it ended up with a ton of the Mob Pirus killing each other over the money.



I figured that this story was winding down and that Vlad couldn't milk it too much longer, but now he's got Keefe D on, who's Baby Lane's uncle and is the last living person who was in the car when they killed 2pac. Apparently he was looking at a lot of prison time for PCP possession and that's how they got him to tell the story of what happened. Vlad releases these in parts so they're probably still a few days away from him talking about the murder, but they've got me hooked and checking this shit daily waiting for it.
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Oh theres a lot more to this before Vlads interviews.
Vlads interviews are after the Murder Rap documentary came out.
Murder Rap was the one produced by Greg Kading, with the tapes of Keefe D, and other interviews of witnesses.
I see you didn't even mention Keefe D(I saw you did mention him, but Im jus gonna leave this) and he is a critical part since its him basically telling the entire story.
Also Keefe Ds Vlad interview is being released right now everyday with one part a day, which is probably Vlads most important interview of all time whether he knows it or not.
I thin part 8 was today, there will be 21-30 parts released.

Mob James is a good one.

But for people who have been following this for past 20 years, I knew Greg Kading had the answers because he was the ABSOLUTE first person, to ever bring in the two girls that were in the car next to 2Pac when he got shot.
Remember 2Pac was talking to two black girls in the car next to him telling them where the were going.
Due to that, they spotted 2Pac and shot him.
The girls pulled away, Keefe and them pulled away, and Buntry and someone else chased after them and continued firing at each other during the chase before losing the cadillac.
The girls got caught in between them shooting at each other and pulled off another street.

No ones ever talked about them until Kading put them in the documentary.
For people that really followed this in depth, have always wondered what happen to those two.
 
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