I know there is a Vegas shooting thread but figured this would get buried in that thread with the conspiracies...
WTF MGM:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44859238
I KINDA get the "why" but... Jeez.
I am no lawyer but if some dude is able to carry up 25 AK47s and 10,000 rounds into his hotel room.
It might be a tiny bit the fault of the hotel.
I agree, it's a fucked up look, but I can't help but think it's necessary to stave off the hand-wringing moralistic claims, which are immanently unrealistic, calling for things like "securing the festival grounds." Simply put, it's only a matter of time before someone goes on TV with tears in their eyes saying "If only they had just done MORE to prevent it!" and diving right into a lawsuit demanding some untenable solution - so, getting ahead of the curve might actually be beneficial here. If you've been watching a culture that sues companies over spilled coffee being too hot, you have to realize that it's quite possible this is coming.
Really, the only objection I can see from this stems from emotional response - that being, the people being sued (not for any material recompense) are victims, and that being sued has this vindictive, accusatory connotation to it. It's pure outrage culture at work. "What? They're being SUED? Martha, where's my pitchfork?"
Before we demonize the company, ask yourself - and provide a clear, feasible answer - to the question of "What do we actually want companies to do in this situation?" Explain to us what effective measures should be taken - in Vegas - to prevent this from happening. As you're asking yourself that, pay careful attention to the possibility of unintended, or even expected, but unwanted consequences. There does come a point where we're trying to put nerf padding on the corner of existence and it just doesn't make sense to do so...
Don't get me wrong, I don't think MGM/Mandalay Bay should be on the receiving end of the suit because it might of been their hotel but they weren't up their pulling the trigger.
THAT SAID, suing the victims of a crime to prevent them from pursuing what might be the only route they have for compensation for hospital stays and shit? Not a good look.
Maybe getting sued out the ass will make hotels want to know what their guests are bringing onto their premises. Private property after all so if they want to check bags they can.
I am no lawyer but if some dude is able to carry up 25 AK47s and 10,000 rounds into his hotel room.
It might be a tiny bit the fault of the hotel.
Counter suing is a normal legal tactic to keep the settlements sane.Straight up ruthless.
I am no lawyer but if some dude is able to carry up 25 AK47s and 10,000 rounds into his hotel room.
It might be a tiny bit the fault of the hotel.
I am no lawyer but if some dude is able to carry up 25 AK47s and 10,000 rounds into his hotel room.
It might be a tiny bit the fault of the hotel.
MGM Agrees to Pay Las Vegas Shooting Victims Up to $800 Million
The settlement would resolve claims that MGM was negligent in allowing the killer to stockpile weapons and ammunition at its Mandalay Bay hotel.
By Richard A. Oppel Jr.| Oct. 3, 2019
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MGM Resorts International has agreed to pay up to $800 million to settle lawsuits from victims of the October 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead and hundreds of others injured.
The killer, Stephen Paddock, holed up inside his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, which MGM owns, and then fired into the crowd at a country music festival below. It was the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history.
One of the lawyers for the victims, Robert Eglet, said on Thursday the settlement would be in the range of $735 million to $800 million and would resolve “substantially all” of the lawsuits and claims against MGM related to the massacre.
“While nothing will be able to bring back the lives lost or undo the horrors so many suffered on that day, this settlement will provide fair compensation for thousands of victims and their families,” Mr. Eglet said in a statement, adding that the deal “represents good corporate citizenship on” the part of MGM.
The company had at first responded with an aggressive legal strategy when claims poured in from the injured and the relatives of the dead, who accused MGM of negligence in allowing Mr. Paddock to stockpile high-powered rifles and thousands of rounds of ammunition in his hotel room.
It had sought to block victims from recovering any money from the company, arguing that a little-known federal law passed in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks meant that MGM enjoyed a shield from liability because the shooting qualified as an “act of terrorism” under the law’s expansive definitions.
Because of that — and also because a security firm hired for the concert possessed a special designation from the Department of Homeland Security — MGM argued that its interpretation of the law meant that it should not have to pay damage claims to injured concertgoers. The federal law is known as the Support Antiterrorism by Fostering Effective Technologies Act, or Safety Act.
As part of its strategy to have the company declared immune from liability by funneling cases to a federal court where that issue could be litigated, MGM sued more than 1,000 people who had already filed cases or indicated an intent to pursue claims against the company. Though the company’s lawsuits did not seek any money, the strategy stirred anger against MGM.
The settlement closely tracks the contours of a deal that MGM said in May was a “reasonably possible” outcome from mediation with the plaintiffs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/mgm-las-vegas-shooting-settlement.html
Man this guy is a sherdog legend! I wonder if his wife still bang the cashier. Did I heard the story right?I hope MGM goes bankrupt and the board of directors get the flu this season.