My Honest Assessment Of Whittaker vs Romero

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  1. LockardTheGOAT

    LockardTheGOAT Sherdog's Intellectual Savior

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    It all comes down to the final two rounds imo.

    Whittaker won the first two and Romero won the third, all 10-9's. The fourth, however, could have gone either way, though I had Robert edging it out. The fifth is controversial because I don't know whether to score it a 10-9 or a 10-8. Romero definitely won it, but don't the new rules state that if one fighter is close to being finished and the other isn't, that the round automatically is a 10-8? That means even if you gave Whittaker rounds 1,2, and 4, the fight would still be a Draw. And if you gave Romero the 4th, he'd win the fight.
     
  2. C0NCH3TO

    C0NCH3TO Silver Belt

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    fifth round was not a 10-9 at all lol..it was a televised rape. If that wasnt a 10-7 round then they do not exist.
     
  3. GOD...frey Jones

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    100%.

    To me it was very clear. Whittaker 1,2 & 4. Yoel round 3 but definitely not a 10-8.

    So it comes down to the 5th. Obviously Yoel's round, if 10-9 then Whittaker wins, 10-8 and it's a draw.
     
  4. GOD...frey Jones

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    GTFO with 10-7.

    Whittaker knocked Yoel down in that round with a kick. Yes he was off balance but that right there is enough for it not be a 10-7.
     
  5. 2004 account

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    Forget about rounds and UFC rules, who do you feel won the “fight”?
     
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  6. laleggenda27

    laleggenda27 Brown Belt

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    Seemed like a pretty clear draw. Whittaker won 3 rounds, but Romero probably earned a 10-8 in the 5th.
     
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  7. mooseman17

    mooseman17 Brown Belt

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    Why do people say this? This is a sport with a rule set that is agreed upon by BOTH fighters coming into the fight. It doesn't matter who you think won the fight as a whole, what matters is what you feel the scores are round by round.
     
  8. filthynumber1

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    ok now what's your dishonest assessment?
     
  9. LockardTheGOAT

    LockardTheGOAT Sherdog's Intellectual Savior

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    If he added up all the damage and rounds combined, then clearly Romero, but that's not how fights are scored (it's how they should be though imo.)
     
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    LockardTheGOAT Sherdog's Intellectual Savior

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    I'm too busy jerking off to your AV to tell you.
     
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    pv3Hpv3p Brown Belt

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    In spirit I agree with you, but if you let these fuckwit judges score a fight on its entirety, every decision will come down to the last minute or two of the last round.
     
  12. The Big Babou

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    My assessment of round 5:

    You can't award a 10-8 to Yoel primarily because he totally gassed himself out while attacking Whittaker & was instructed by the ref to stand up due to inactivity.
     
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    Seeing as Whittaker did more damage then how can you argue for Yoel?

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    Spearfish CA Silver Belt Platinum Member

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    Well if the scoring system is applied correctly, 10-9s don't have significant disparity from one another (i.e. one 10-9 is about equally dominant for the winning fighter as another) and ditto for 10-8s, 10-7s etc.

    When that's the case, the round by round and the overall score roughly even out.


    I've suggested before that the best scoring system is where the first round is scored such that the remaining rounds can be scored relative to it. So the first round, if it's 10-8 let's say, sets the definition of a 10-8 for the rest of the fight. A round about halfway as dominant as the first is a 10-9. A round more dominant by the same halfway margin is a 10-7. A round twice as dominant still is a 10-6.

    If the first round is won by someone by a margin slim enough that there's no significant intermediate step, it's a 10-9 and again it defines what one point is worth. So the next rounds are compared to it, and scored accordingly.

    An even first round (or, I've also argued, a round that's predominantly a "feeling out" round where nothing significant happens and neither guy is taking clear steps to win it) would be a 10-10. If the first round's even, it's scored 10-10 and the second round plays the role the first normally plays.

    A first round that's so dominant that you can see two clear intermediate steps between it and an even round is 10-7.

    Generally, a first round with a clear winner where the judge can compare the round to an even round and see a need for an intermediate score would be a 10-8, and this would be one of the most frequent scores for the first round. Which is why I used it in the first example.


    I think this fixes two big problems:

    First, the fights where two rounds could go either way and the other one is clearly won by a fighter (but not enough to make it a 10-8 under current scoring) are some of the most common bad decisions, because two judges have the same guy winning both close rounds, and even though the other fighter clearly won the overall fight, he loses. In such a fight with my scoring, you'd have at worst a draw.

    Second, and most importantly, it makes the fight scored by round have almost the exact same result as scoring the fight as a whole, but would eliminate the "recency bias" (over-weighting action that happens later in the round) that used to result in bad judging when fights were judged as a whole. This is most important because that's what a good numerical scoring system does -- it makes the round by round score more analog, making the final score more like a well-judged fight scored in its entirety.

    The problem with the current scoring is that it's too digital, and effectively binary with 10-8s being so rare (and 10-10s rarer still.)

    Which reminds me of a third advantage: the fear that 10-8s or 10-10s will result in draws is mitigated by the fact that we use a more diverse scoring range, so we aren't as married to odd-numbered scores to have decisions.
     
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  15. Reggiefor3.YES!

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    Is it humble tho
     
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  16. LockardTheGOAT

    LockardTheGOAT Sherdog's Intellectual Savior

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    Romero was never visibly hurt by Whittaker. Whittaker was knocked down three times and nearly finished at one point.
     
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    10-9
    10-9
    9-10
    10-9
    9-10

    or

    10-8
    10-9
    9-10
    10-9
    8-10

    Whatever you choose, Whittaker wins!
     
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  18. sabretitan

    sabretitan Black Belt

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    Take away sound, missing weight, there's no way Romero lost that fight. That said Whittaker definitely didn't lose. Both are straight up warriors. Could watch them fight ten more times
     
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    scored 48-47 for Whittaker. Bobby Knuckles winning 1, 2, and 4, Romero winning 3 and 5. did not award any 10-8 rounds because even though Yoel dropped the Reaper, Robert was not out of it. He got back to his feet and jabbed his way out of danger. Fight was not that close to being stopped.
    Regardless, 48-48 (1, 2, and 4 to RW, 3 and 5 to YR, w/ a 10-8 fifth) is an acceptable score, as is 48-47 to YR, or even 48-46 YR.
    it was a great fight with so many interpretations.
     
  20. Joshuaace

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    Wait. 10-8 whittaker in the 1st? Just no.

    9-10
    9-10
    10-9
    9-10
    10-8

    The best argument to deviate from my card(and that of many); 10-9 4th to Romero based on the Bambi dance at the end of the round. 10-8 3rd Romero on the kd and having Whittaker in genuine peril. No genuine argument really exists for any Whittaker 10-8.
     
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