Crime New York will send National Guard to subways after a string of violent crimes

[EL CORINTHIAN]

I don't know the specifics involved here but in theory I am all for it. Progressives support public transit but then don't have the stomach to enforce rules in a way that makes it a viable alternative to driving. It can't just be safe, it has to be orderly and pleasant. That means lunatic homeless people who are screaming left and right need to be thrown out even if they haven't physically touched anyone.

You see this with fare evasion too. Progressives support the idea of transit but will make excuses for those who jump turnstiles by saying "well make it free if people can't afford to pay", not realizing that fare evaders are just antisocial types who do it because they can get away with it. Not to mention there's been studies that show that making transit free doesn't increase ridership, improving qualify through higher frequencies and better connectivity does. More ridership will never happen if fare evasion is tolerated or if the experience of riding isn't safe and pleasant.

Agreed, well said.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Isn’t it the dystopia under trump where they call in the national guard to crack down on crime?

I am disappointed

 

[Gutter Chris]

Security on PT is important but I don't think having firearms go off in a crowded subway is in the best interest of anyone.

It's not just security on pt though. If you use it it means you are disarmed everywhere you go . And it's not in anyone's best interest to get raped robbed and assaulted either.

I don't know why everyone always thinks armed people about is just going to lead to the shootout from tombstone playing out on a daily basis.

Now I'm big enough and still young enough where maybe I can still look out for myself but this kind of shit really does put the weak at the mercy of the strong or the Savage. I was not entirely being tounge in cheek about all of the isms that such rules are guilty of.

Unless pt is planning on issuing me my own security detail all day pt can count on me never ever considering it as an option.

 

[Renard]

I don't know the specifics involved here but in theory I am all for it. Progressives support public transit but then don't have the stomach to enforce rules in a way that makes it a viable alternative to driving. It can't just be safe, it has to be orderly and pleasant. That means lunatic homeless people who are screaming left and right need to be thrown out even if they haven't physically touched anyone.

You see this with fare evasion too. Progressives support the idea of transit but will make excuses for those who jump turnstiles by saying "well make it free if people can't afford to pay", not realizing that fare evaders are just antisocial types who do it because they can get away with it. Not to mention there's been studies that show that making transit free doesn't increase ridership, improving qualify through higher frequencies and better connectivity does. More ridership will never happen if fare evasion is tolerated or if the experience of riding isn't safe and pleasant.

The level of chaos in NYC's public transit system isn't standard though. It's not usual to have a subway system be full of drugged out zombies, lowlifes and criminals looking to attack people, in a developed country anyway. The PT systems in Asia, Scandinavia and in most Western and Eastern European countries are very safe and work well. They're also used by regular people. In NYC it's more like people use the subway because they're desperate and have no other options. It's off-putting to the end user to have law enforcement or literally military in this case check their belongings before going into a subway station. Probably a great way to discourage people from using it. Sometimes there are checkpoints in train stations, but a checkpoint for a regular subway or bus station is irregular. I know that in that situation I would take the hint and not even bother using that transit system anymore, and that it might be time to arrange something else or move city entirely. NYC has been going south fast. You gotta be stubborn as heck to stay there, especially as a non-wealthy individual.

 

[Bagatur]

go soft on crime. call on national guard when criminal scum emboldened by impunity gets out of control. this is like from some post-apocalyptic novel.

 

[HereticBD]

I'm all for security, but the National Guard seems a bit extreme and Russia like.

 

[ferrisjso]

I don't know the specifics involved here but in theory I am all for it. Progressives support public transit but then don't have the stomach to enforce rules in a way that makes it a viable alternative to driving. It can't just be safe, it has to be orderly and pleasant. That means lunatic homeless people who are screaming left and right need to be thrown out even if they haven't physically touched anyone.

You see this with fare evasion too. Progressives support the idea of transit but will make excuses for those who jump turnstiles by saying "well make it free if people can't afford to pay", not realizing that fare evaders are just antisocial types who do it because they can get away with it. Not to mention there's been studies that show that making transit free doesn't increase ridership, improving qualify through higher frequencies and better connectivity does. More ridership will never happen if fare evasion is tolerated or if the experience of riding isn't safe and pleasant.

NYC has a unique history in this regard and I don't think that is a fair critique after having to deal with a city created in the image of Robert Moses.

 

[The XL]

Instead of punishing migrants and criminals, they're going to do everything they can to hurt the average citizen. This is being done nefariously.

 

[Cole train]

I'm all for security, but the National Guard seems a bit extreme and Russia like.

Among all problems that country has, public transport atleast works very well lol

 

[Islam Imamate]

The level of chaos in NYC's public transit system isn't standard though. It's not usual to have a subway system be full of drugged out zombies, lowlifes and criminals looking to attack people, in a developed country anyway. The PT systems in Asia, Scandinavia and in most Western and Eastern European countries are very safe and work well. They're also used by regular people. In NYC it's more like people use the subway because they're desperate and have no other options. It's off-putting to the end user to have law enforcement or literally military in this case check their belongings before going into a subway station. Probably a great way to discourage people from using it. Sometimes there are checkpoints in train stations, but a checkpoint for a regular subway or bus station is irregular. I know that in that situation I would take the hint and not even bother using that transit system anymore, and that it might be time to arrange something else or move city entirely. NYC has been going south fast. You gotta be stubborn as heck to stay there, especially as a non-wealthy individual.

That's a fair point. Personally I tend to feel safer with the presence of law enforcement and screening but I seem to be in the minority.

 

[Islam Imamate]

NYC has a unique history in this regard and I don't think that is a fair critique after having to deal with a city created in the image of Robert Moses.

I don't get what your point is in bringing up Moses here. NYC has always had the best PT in the country so if anything they're uniquely positioned to succeed here.

 

[kahiljabroni]

I don't know the specifics involved here but in theory I am all for it. Progressives support public transit but then don't have the stomach to enforce rules in a way that makes it a viable alternative to driving. It can't just be safe, it has to be orderly and pleasant. That means lunatic homeless people who are screaming left and right need to be thrown out even if they haven't physically touched anyone.

You see this with fare evasion too. Progressives support the idea of transit but will make excuses for those who jump turnstiles by saying "well make it free if people can't afford to pay", not realizing that fare evaders are just antisocial types who do it because they can get away with it. Not to mention there's been studies that show that making transit free doesn't increase ridership, improving qualify through higher frequencies and better connectivity does. More ridership will never happen if fare evasion is tolerated or if the experience of riding isn't safe and pleasant.

Good point.

 

[koquerelle]

I'm all for security, but the National Guard seems a bit extreme and Russia like.

Panic wrestling adjacent.

 

[nonoob]

That's a fair point. Personally I tend to feel safer with the presence of law enforcement and screening but I seem to be in the minority.

No you're not II.​

Criminals ARE the minority, but NYC governor laws must force police to protect scumbags at the expense and/or deaths of the public.

 

[wwkirk]

BY ANTHONY IZAGUIRRE
Updated 4:50 PM BRT, March 6, 2024

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul announced plans Wednesday to send the National Guard to the New York City subway system to help police search passengers’ bags for weapons, following a series of high-profile crimes on city trains.

Hochul, a Democrat, said she will deploy 750 members of the National Guard to the subways to assist the New York Police Department with bag searches at entrances to busy train stations.

“For people who are thinking about bringing a gun or knife on the subway, at least this creates a deterrent effect. They might be thinking, ‘You know what, it just may just not be worth it because I listened to the mayor and I listened to the governor and they have a lot more people who are going to be checking my bags,’” Hochul said at a news conference in New York City.

The move came as part of a larger effort from the governor’s office to address crime in the subway, which included a legislative proposal to ban people from trains for three years if they are convicted of assaulting a subway passenger and the installation of cameras in conductor cabins to protect transit workers.

The deployment of the National Guard would bolster an enhanced presence of NYPD officers in the subway system. The governor said she will also send 250 state troopers and police officers from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, a state agency, to help with the bag searches.

Hochul has tried to mount a more aggressive public safety messaging strategy after Republicans campaigned on crime concerns and performed well in House races around New York City in the 2022 elections.

Her subway plan is “another unfortunate example of policymaking through overreaction and overreach,” Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said in a statement.

“Sound policy making will not come from overreacting to incidents that, while horrible and tragic, should not be misrepresented as a crime wave and certainly don’t call for a reversion to failed broken windows policies of the past,” she said, referring to the policing theory that going after smaller crimes can help stem greater disorder.

Overall, crime has dropped in New York City since a spike during the COVID-19 pandemic, and killings are down on the subway system. But rare fatal shootings and shovings on the subway can put residents on edge. Just last week, a passenger slashed a subway conductor in the neck, delaying trains.

Police in New York have long conducted random bag checks at subway entrances, though passengers are free to refuse and leave the station, raising questions of whether the searches are an effective policing tactic in a subway system that serves over 3 million riders per day.

https://apnews.com/article/new-york...-guard-crime-f046ecaac79601f6113efa8a0c8f25c7

Paul Kersey says he's available to give a hand.

 

[Rob Battisti]

That's a fair point. Personally I tend to feel safer with the presence of law enforcement and screening but I seem to be in the minority.

It’s weird. When it happened to me, it was so fast I kind of didn’t even realize what was happening. In the moment I just went “that was weird”. Looking back, feels like more of a violation.

 

[mkess101]

Heading to NYC for a few days later this month with my teen daughter.

Will probably just avoid the subway.

 

[DiddlyDoodly]

Jesus Christ on crutches.

I can only imagine that the most dangerous group in America is running wild in the NYC subways that they need to deploy the national guard.

 

[Whippy McGee]

So in they replaced the Police with the National Guard?

Clowns.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I'm all for security, but the National Guard seems a bit extreme and Russia like.

I think the term, “Joe Biden’s America” rings true. Go figure his son colluded with Russian oligarchs