***Official 2019-20 NBA Thread v 2.0: DROPPING LOADS***
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This is literally the worst take I’ve ever seen on the internet. @HunterSdVa29 has got to be the dumbest person on this website and that includes the heavies lmao.
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They shouldn't
should just be 5 best
Otherwise, durant be the 5, lebron be the 4, kawhi be the 3
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Gunt is right that Lebron isn't a great pure shooter. The question is, so what? He's dominated this league for the better part of 2 decades without being a great shooter. The most productive player ever. And his clutch shooting numbers are better than most people we think of as clutch shooters in the final moments.
https://thesportsrush.com/is-lebron...h-player-than-michael-jordan-and-kobe-bryant/
"One argument a lot of Kobe and Michael Jordan fans make to dispute LeBron’s GOAT status is the fact that he is not a clutch player. That is to say that with the game on the line LeBron isn’t someone in who’s hands you would want the ball.
But as far as myths and stats go, NBA has always had its narratives. A lot of stats disprove the myths that are gospel in the NBA. The clutch play of LeBron James is one such stat that seems to be a myth.
The premise for this is post-season games as they are the ones where true clutch performances stand out. The shot clock has to be less than 5 seconds. The shot has to give the player’s team the lead or as it is called a “go-ahead shot”. Once these parameters are set, let’s look at the numbers for Michael Jordan and LeBron James.
LeBron James who is considered not clutch has taken 13 attempts at go-ahead shots in the final 5 seconds of the game in a post season matchup and he has sunk 6 of them for an overall percentage of 46% which is a hair higher than that of Michael Jordan who has made 5 of the 11 such shots he has taken (Kobe’s numbers do not compare at all because he is closer to 27% on such shots).
While this does not conclusively prove that James is a better clutch player than Jordan (or it does if you are that deep into stats), but it does debunk the myth that LeBron can’t shoot the ball if the game is on the line.
The basis of this myth might be in the fact that LeBron isn’t someone who looks to shoot the ball in these situations irrespective of whether its the best basketball play.
If Ray Allen is open for 3 with 5 seconds on the clock and the team down by 2, LeBron will make that pass. But Jordan is viewed as someone who would look to take that shot irrespective because he is a shooter first and a mighty good one at that.
However, these are all to some extent mythologies that we have built around these great players. Sometimes LeBron does take the shot himself.
And sometimes Michael Jordan does defer to certain Steve Kerr. Even Kobe won both his titles without Shaq by assisting Derek Fisher and Ron Artest for go ahead 3s. The GOAT debate brings with it major narratives and myths of these kind. It is always better to look at the stats before jumping to conclusions.
Once again, while this does not make LeBron the GOAT or make him a definite better clutch player than Jordan, it does prove that LeBron not being clutch in comparison to Jordan is a total myth. <
In fact if you wish to also include stats from the regular season and post-season but increase the parameter to last 2 minutes of the games, LeBron James has a FG% of 46%, Kobe is 40% on those shots and Michael Jordan, supposedly the best clutch player of all time is 38% in such situations."
https://thesportsrush.com/is-lebron...h-player-than-michael-jordan-and-kobe-bryant/
"One argument a lot of Kobe and Michael Jordan fans make to dispute LeBron’s GOAT status is the fact that he is not a clutch player. That is to say that with the game on the line LeBron isn’t someone in who’s hands you would want the ball.
But as far as myths and stats go, NBA has always had its narratives. A lot of stats disprove the myths that are gospel in the NBA. The clutch play of LeBron James is one such stat that seems to be a myth.
The premise for this is post-season games as they are the ones where true clutch performances stand out. The shot clock has to be less than 5 seconds. The shot has to give the player’s team the lead or as it is called a “go-ahead shot”. Once these parameters are set, let’s look at the numbers for Michael Jordan and LeBron James.
LeBron James who is considered not clutch has taken 13 attempts at go-ahead shots in the final 5 seconds of the game in a post season matchup and he has sunk 6 of them for an overall percentage of 46% which is a hair higher than that of Michael Jordan who has made 5 of the 11 such shots he has taken (Kobe’s numbers do not compare at all because he is closer to 27% on such shots).
While this does not conclusively prove that James is a better clutch player than Jordan (or it does if you are that deep into stats), but it does debunk the myth that LeBron can’t shoot the ball if the game is on the line.
The basis of this myth might be in the fact that LeBron isn’t someone who looks to shoot the ball in these situations irrespective of whether its the best basketball play.
If Ray Allen is open for 3 with 5 seconds on the clock and the team down by 2, LeBron will make that pass. But Jordan is viewed as someone who would look to take that shot irrespective because he is a shooter first and a mighty good one at that.
However, these are all to some extent mythologies that we have built around these great players. Sometimes LeBron does take the shot himself.
And sometimes Michael Jordan does defer to certain Steve Kerr. Even Kobe won both his titles without Shaq by assisting Derek Fisher and Ron Artest for go ahead 3s. The GOAT debate brings with it major narratives and myths of these kind. It is always better to look at the stats before jumping to conclusions.
Once again, while this does not make LeBron the GOAT or make him a definite better clutch player than Jordan, it does prove that LeBron not being clutch in comparison to Jordan is a total myth. <
In fact if you wish to also include stats from the regular season and post-season but increase the parameter to last 2 minutes of the games, LeBron James has a FG% of 46%, Kobe is 40% on those shots and Michael Jordan, supposedly the best clutch player of all time is 38% in such situations."
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Not sure why so many people are up in arms about Kiwi not being on the All-Decade 1st team. He was a defensive role player the first half of the decade. Yes, he won the FMVP in 2014, but he wasn't close to being a superstar at that time. He averaged 12.8 ppg that season and only bumped it up to 14.3 in the yoffs. He's only had 3 "full" seasons as an actual superstar.
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Greatest passer ever
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Lol
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Think more people are upset with the fact that a dude who’s made the playoffs twice and has won 1 total playoff series is on it.
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In the 90s Lebrons avgs drop to about 23pts, 5rbs, 5asts.
He gets most of his points driving to the rim. Hard to do when the lane is clogged with guys like Ewing, Oakley, and Mason. With no reliable mid range or post game his scoring effeciency takes a major hit.
He gets most of his assists driving and kicking out to "shooters". In the 90s guess what...there are no shooters lol. At least not the 3pt shooters we have today. Half of Lebrons assists gone.
In todays game small guys and wing players are getting more rebounds than ever. Why? Because of all the long range shooting of today leading to long rebounds. Plus big men play away from the basket in the era. In the 90s you had to get rebounds in the paint.
In the 90s Lebron is a ringless all star averaging 23/5/5.
He gets most of his points driving to the rim. Hard to do when the lane is clogged with guys like Ewing, Oakley, and Mason. With no reliable mid range or post game his scoring effeciency takes a major hit.
He gets most of his assists driving and kicking out to "shooters". In the 90s guess what...there are no shooters lol. At least not the 3pt shooters we have today. Half of Lebrons assists gone.
In todays game small guys and wing players are getting more rebounds than ever. Why? Because of all the long range shooting of today leading to long rebounds. Plus big men play away from the basket in the era. In the 90s you had to get rebounds in the paint.
In the 90s Lebron is a ringless all star averaging 23/5/5.
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Newbs tend to forget that the entire game was played below the 3 pt line most of the time leading to very littke space especially in the paint.
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Oakley listed at 6’8 225 would stop a roid rush in its tracks, believe that
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However if you take a guy like Kawhi Leonard, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade they would do just fine. With their mid range & post up games, ability to finish at the rim through contect, their one on one defense, and their ability to play within systems would make them championiship caliber players in that era. Kevin Durant as well. Anthony Davis would still fill the stat sheet. Chris Paul would still be an elite PG right there with Stockton and Payton. Paul George would do ok with his skill set.
Guys like Steph Curry, James Harden, Kyrie, their games would all take hits. Im not sure about Russ. I dont see Giannis being a mvp caliber player in that era although hedstill be effective. Blake Griffin's game would translate well but he would get bullied and punked on a nightly basis. I dont see Embiid dealing with the elite centers of that era very well.
Guys like Steph Curry, James Harden, Kyrie, their games would all take hits. Im not sure about Russ. I dont see Giannis being a mvp caliber player in that era although hedstill be effective. Blake Griffin's game would translate well but he would get bullied and punked on a nightly basis. I dont see Embiid dealing with the elite centers of that era very well.
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Holy shit did this page take a turn for the stupid.
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When was it ever anything else?
These "takes" are about as hot as winter in the arctic.
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Lmao at the idea of Lebron playing in the era of Kelly Tripucka and John Koncak.
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