Post WW2 society has been very anti-nationalism, and it's why we'll fall!

[ScarfaceJr]

 

[PlatinumAmerican]

1. The Nazis were not the lesser of the two evils. The Soviets were a greater evil than is generally recognized, and arguably the equal of the Nazis in many respects. The "not true communism" dodge allows too many people to gloss over the inherent anti-humanism of Marxist communism.
2. There was no historical possibility of the US helping Germany defeat the Soviets first. Any alternate history scenario needs to be based on a plausible change in outcomes. It's completely implausible that the US would have allied with Germany, given the inhumanity of the Nazis.
3. Nationalism is generally a more constructive political force than is recognized, but arguing against defeating the Nazis first is a poor way to advance that notion.
4. The war debts assessed on Germany by the Treaty of Versailles were not unfair. When retreating from France in 1918 (and during limited withdrawals in 1917), the Germans as a matter of policy destroyed mines, wells, railroads, and factories so that they would not be of use to the French. It was fair to ask them to pay for that.

The jaundiced view we have today of the Treaty of Versailles is based largely on the fact that a second war occurred. But the problem with the Treaty is that at key moments, it was not enforced by the French and British. An example of this is the remilitization of the Rhineland.

After the Second War, the allies treated Germany far more harshly than the allies did after the Great War without a renewal of hostilities a generation later.

Good stuff

 

[MirRocksFedor]

More like you patriotic people are the biggest pussies on earth.

The war is over. Fuck off.

National anthems have no business in sports. You're an ignorant twat if you think otherwise.

Go find some more shit to be offended over you millennial babies

How about the Olympics when people are playing......sports

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

We get it TS ,You brown as hell but you still have a boner over the Nazis

Even though its been pointed out time and time again your attempts at twisting them in a positive light isn't factual but you're too dense to see you're wrong/admit it.

 

[scottjoebob]

Thought I was on pol for a minute

 

[Insipid]

They're scared that the body politic might choose a third option than the one they present.

* MODS, PLEASE MOVE TO WAR ROOM. Although goodness knows the Heavies could use an intellectual thread these days !

The result has been the eradication of nationalism in the hearts of millions in America and Europe. The Bolshevik scum in antifa view anyone with any sense of nationalism as a "Nazi" and it will continue because, it seems, the West has resigned itself to hating itself and wanting its own death.

And here I thought that the thing what erodes nationalism and national pride was cronyism and the cognitive dissonance required to look at the thing as it is compared to how it should be or has been explained to be.

Our self-created identity as the "Greatest Nation on Earth" was at one time rooted in the idea that while imperfect as humans are, we had constructed tools with which to test and measure ourselves and were willing to face ugly truth, even if that process was one of time consuming effort and painful intermediate steps. Pluralism is required to temper national pride and arrogance, something that neither binary political party seems to have any patience for.

Pluralism requires tools like cultural appropriation to function. It's how we become a more fair, consistent, and civilized society. While we value where we came from - few Americans are proud of our history of slavery and economic colonialism. We've gone from all white landowners are created equal to all humans are created equal as a plurality. We evolved over time, and as people die and people are born we continue to be tested against our worst selves. If we always believed that we were the best, we'd have nothing to aspire to.

What the Nazi's did was Jingoist Socialism. It's not based in reality, it doesn't force us to consider our values vs. our past and present. It doesn't ask us to be accountable. It says "Worship these symbols. Just do it. Now let's go kick somebody's ass".

The further-left isn't afraid of nationalism. If they could use it effectively to achieve their goals, they would. They may appear to hate it, but that's because people who are opposed to massive bureaucracy and being ruled from a bully pulpit react emotionally and light up a jingoist fire in a reactionary way when challenged.

They fascist-left isn't scared of nationalism at all. They're fucking terrified of pluralism. Both major economic and political forces in the binary are afraid of it. They're scared that the body politic might choose a third option than the one they present. Cultural appropriation is one of our greatest assets as a force for change and it's basically the whipping boy of the far-left at this point. The right didn't bat an eyelash while one of our most treasured tools for cultural evolution has had its ass kicked repeatedly in the media.

Our plurality is mob rule with an inspired rulebook, the Constitution. It's pitchfork democracy that rides on that poetry which starts "We hold these truths to be self evident...". It gives the dissonance in our souls room to breathe and design a way forward. It can be manipulated and swayed, but it's designed to bend and not break as long as it is cared for. It doesn't forget the ones left behind because it hears their pleas.

It bears witness to the economic and social injustice that played out after the "end of segregation". It sees how we've turned our prisons into a revenue stream that banks and media agencies and blue chip corporations heavily invest in. It knows that our soldierly class has been used to wage economic warfare since well before WWII. Our entire shift away from neutrality in world political affairs was predicated upon economics which generally haven't been beneficial to the average American citizen.

We've traded accountability for comfort, and our plurality recognizes us. The binary political forces have conspired to reduce our power through economics, creating a true binary - the rich and the fucked. Our plurality sees how this is not consistent with our values, even our most capitalistic ones. Our plurality recognizes Jingoism when it sees it. Just like it understands that Antifa lack any sense of self-aware irony.

Power in this country knows that if we shine our pluralism on them with an eye towards honest reflection we're going to see the cracks, so it loudly provides us with fascist alternatives. Surrender your freedoms, one by one, for the betterment of everyone.

TLDR: I need to go outside more.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Another pro-Nazi thread by @Defanged. Shocking....

 

[computer fogie]

TS you should make more of these threads in the Heavies, that was amusing

 

[chinarice]

Oh you think I was talking about the Olympics? Neat.

Tell me more about how the national anthem belongs in MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL, etc.

I want to hear an argument that isn't stupid as hell.

 

[BruceLeeOnTRT]

 

[Rusk]

So now we get to put our personal beliefs or some shit on here? If so...

this list sucks ass

 

[Rusk]

It truly was a good run for the West, but we defeated the wrong enemy first in WW2.

It was my grandgranddad who was cutting Nazi throats in Kharkov, and then Allies came just in time to save western Europe from communism, so don't flatter yourself.

Anyway your thread is shit because the reason nationalism is looked down on is because Germany went full retard with it and not because of Marxism. Any wise right-winger would do well by staying away from socialism, even a national one.

 

[Trotsky]

Yes, I'm a Nazi of even though I'm of Indian, Afghan, and Melanesian heritage - you fucking dolt.

They didn't say you were a smart Nazi.

 

[Defanged]

They didn't say you were a smart Nazwi.

The Nazis, prior to killing Jews and invading lands, were basically a hyper nationalistic movement that wanted Germany's future in the hands of Germans. That's a noble thing, isn't it ?
If Hitler had stopped after the annexation of Austria and once he had removed "those internationalist Jews" from influence in media/banking/arts, he would be viewed as a hyper-nationalist at worst.

 

[Trotsky]

The Nazis, prior to killing Jews and invading lands, were basically a hyper nationalistic movement that wanted Germany's future in the hands of Germans. That's a noble thing, isn't it ?
If Hitler had stopped after the annexation of Austria and once he had removed Jews from influence in media/banking/arts, he would be viewed as a hyper-nationalist at worst.

Have you read Mein Kampf?

At no point was the Nazi Party just wanting national sovereignty. They wanted global and racial hegemony and the seizure of power diametrical to the Marxist movement for equality.

In short, no.

 

[Defanged]

Have you read Mein Kampf?

At no point was the Nazi Party just wanting national sovereignty. They wanted global and racial hegemony and the seizure of power diametrical to the Marxist movement for equality.

In short, no.

What Hitler initially dreamed of vs what he could have done is very different. His evilness is what he will rightfully be remembered for, but there's a reason prior to the evil he was named Time's Man of the Year.

 

[Trotsky]

What Hitler initially dreamed of vs what he could have done is very different. His evilness is what he will rightfully be remembered for, but there's a reason prior to the evil he was named Time's Man of the Year.

Dude, he wasn't named Time's MOTY because of his pearly vision or anything related to reputability. It's just a notoriety/importance type deal. Stalin was named twice. Hell, Trump was named it last year, and he doesn't have a coherent policy in his playbook.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

It truly was a good run for the West, but we defeated the wrong enemy first in WW2.

In before, Reported for Anti-semitism

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Yes, I'm a Nazi of even though I'm of Indian, Afghan, and Melanesian heritage - you fucking dolt.

Indian, Afghan, and Melanesian? Did your parents both accept a job working in the household of a wealthy Persian Gulf Oil Sheikh?

 

[MadSquabbles500]

So we were supposed to help the nazis beat the soviets after the Japanese bombed us on pearl harbor? How the fuck does that make any sense, even in hindsight?

Hitler was an ally of Chiang and his Nationalists first. The Muricans were allies of Chiang all the way. Hitler's overtures to Murica, and the west were before he started Operation Barbarossa, if I am not mistaken. There were many Germans in Murica who he tried to appeal to at first to get his foot in the door.