Steroids, what's your take?

[kingkokong]

99% of the body building/IFBB pros be it Phil Heath/Arnie or physique guys like Jeff Seid are on GEAR.

TS, are you familiar with FFMI (fat free muscle index)?



http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi

So, in an article; it dictated that about 24.6 was the limited whereby, above, clearly on GEAR. Zyzz for instance was a known user and admittedly. He was @ 25 rating. Arnold Mr Olympia 7x was 27. So called fake natty Simone Panda has a rating of 28 (another words, GEAR between breakfast and brunch).

Jeff Seid was somewhere around 24+ so, basically at the or above the user target. In all likelihood, he uses given he rolls with ChestBrah (Zyzz bro) a known GEAR crusher. Kino was below. Quite a few natty lifters were below but who knows? Many cycle and or may use a little.

I know a woman who is in her middle or late 20s on GEAR. Looks like a dude from the neck down and has a receding hairline. Tell tale sign.


The real question is; what do you want? There is no two ways about it? If you want to be a Pro IFBB, you have no choice. You can be a Natty body builder like L Norton but, these guys get TRT a lot of time so, the so called natty title is questionable at best. Diaz bros called out GEAR in MMA but, I bet its in pro sports. A known drug dealer wrote a book on supplying many athletes and actors/actresses.

Do you think Dwayne Johnson is natty? How about Zac Efron? What about Hugh Jackman? Taylor Lautner when he stacked on "30lbs of muscle?" Kid likely went ham lifting but in all likelihood was using with 24/7 doctors/nutritionists/dieticians etc. For millions, people will do anything.


Lastly, Jeff Seid has better aesthetics at 15/16 then most dudes on GEAR fully grown men. Seid blows Zyzz out of the water but, he is a pro, likely on GEAR, and there is little to combat that with.

The last one is a tell tale give away lol
What do you want? The fallout is not pretty. Anybody heard about how Ronnie "Light weight baby" Coleman is doing now?

Spoiler

The sad and unfortunate aspect to the conclusion of Ronnie Coleman’s career is not that he is a mere shadow of his former self, will never again display super human strength or the fact that he will once again be a mere mortal (if that was even ever the case), but that at the age of 50 will endure a decreased quality of life as a result of the repercussions of his injuries and surgeries required to alleviate them. He will experience restricted physical function, discomfort and the possibility of chronic pain for the rest of his life.
https://www.ironmanmag.com.au/profiles/profiles/870-ronnie-colemans-injuries-nwas-it-all-worth-it

The fallout is not pretty.



Forever mrrin!

WAR ZYZZ

I wonder if Jeff was on HGH from an early age for stunt growth or something?

 

[bigbangspiritbomb]

I wonder if Jeff was on HGH from an early age for stunt growth or something?

I watched a series of follow up videos including AskLuiMarco, others on FFMI (fat free muscle index). Some I believe were linked here.

In either event, Jeff Seid won the genetic lottery, and even on GEAR, nobody looks like him. Look at the guy (full homosexual).

Even on GEAR, Zyzz did not have his aesthetics but, Seid rolls with ChestBrah, Zyzz's bro to EDC and on social media. Guaranteed, he has seen his fair share of MEXICAN SUPPLEMENTS.

Regardless, I doubt HGH. Seid is aesthetic as fuck. Grown men don't look as good as he did as a teen. Grown men on GEAR and training their entire life.


ADONIS RATIO is a real thing. I have a fast metabolism. I know guys who train their whole life and I would stunt on them. They did not win the genetic lottery. Not saying I did not either but, simply, a fast metabolism, six pack abs, stack on some good lean muscle, height 6ft, broad shoulders, thin waist, V tapper, solid Seratus Anterior connecting abs, and you got some AESTHETICS.

You set me next to a IFBB PRO, solid amateur or Seid, he is going to stunt on me. I am a regular dude but I never ran a cycle or touched shit. Even if i had, I still don't have the genetics as Seid or the drugs.


Some guys train stupid too. Like crazy chest, arms, but fluffy.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

As someone with extensive research in the matter and studied various supplementation benefits / risks, here are my two cents:

I'm against any/all supplements, including Steroids. The problem starts from things as basic as MultiVitamins, to BCAA, to Creatine, to finally anabolic steroids, hormones, and pre-cursors. We are conditioned and marketed in a way that makes us look for short cuts to results, and shun anyone who doesn't use supplements because we are using them. But there are a few things to consider.

- Are you at such a high level of conditioning, size, and strength that the only thing left to do is manipulate your hormones? Many people get on the Steroid / Supplements bandwagon in hopes to bypass the hard work and time it takes to build a physique worth having. I would understand the mindset of someone that has reached sub-8% bodyfat, maximum strength, and competing in powerlifting or bodybuilding as their life's mission, deciding to take steroids to go to the "next level". But a common gym goer, wanna-be fighter, or average person that is usually below optimal physical conditions is not a candidate for Steroids.

- Many Supplements/Steroids are NOT FDA approved or ethically tested.
To avoid costs and being exposed, supplement companies do not test their products or attain approvals, by purchasing them you are agreeing to the risk you are taking. Aside from the obvious illegality issues, almost 90% of supplements and hormones out there are not tested and can have drastic effects on your immune system (not forgetting to mention your health). The sad truth is that many men take supplements because they think it is the norm for gym-goers and athletes, thinking it will advance their game / body. While it may very well help them lift more, burn more fat, etc, what they don't pay attention to are the long term irreversible effects it will have on your immune system. If you are not a top level athlete, monitored by a team of coaches and doctors, then don't play with things you do not understand. Many steroid users and supplement users (consuming them over 3-5 years) face various physical and internal complications that they convince themselves are not related to supplements. Examples of side effects are: Liver complications, Kidney Stones, IgE increase, developing allergies, food intolerances, Leaky Gut Syndrome, Yeast Overgrowth in Intestinal tracts, Hormonal Imbalance, Urticaria / Hives, poor insulin sensitivity and dependance on supplements... These are just a few of the very real potential effects of supplements.

- Hypertrophy applies to ALL muscles, this includes your Heart Muscle.
When you consume creatine, whey protein, GH, Steroids, and any muscle altering supplements you MUST understand that it does not target your biceps, pecs, delts, legs, and lats alone... These supplements create a rapid growth environment for any and all Muscles in the body, some of which you do NOT want to overgrow. One of those muscles is your heart. When the heart absorbs pure whey protein, pumps blood that is unnaturally high in Iron/Minerals, and is in a state of hypertrophy due to the training under these conditions, it begins to grow. As the heart grows, your heart pumps harder and raises blood pressure, also wearing and tearing all connecting arteries. This leads to heart palpitations, increased blood pressure, and ultimately heart failure.


I know that all the above is not what many want to hear, and I'm sorry to be 'that person'. I hope that by writing this I can help just one person avoid the fate that many unfortunately walk themselves into by trusting supplement companies who are only developing heavily branded products to fatten their pockets and with no concern for your health. This is a highly lucrative industry and I don't care who tells you they care about their customers and are organic / healthy.. It's all bullshit. What else will they say? "We are chemically created to get you results, without regard for the future"? That isn't a strong slogan.

Think deeply about what goes into your body. When you are 60+, muscles don't matter, power is relative, and your bench press doesn't mean shit. You want to be able to walk right, piss without needing a nap afterwards, and enjoy life.

Eat right, train right, stay flexible and take care of your body, it's the only place you have to live in.

Zeid

You did help at least one person. Your typing was not in vain.

 

[Deleted member 519031]

As someone with extensive research in the matter and studied various supplementation benefits / risks, here are my two cents:

I'm against any/all supplements, including Steroids. The problem starts from things as basic as MultiVitamins, to BCAA, to Creatine, to finally anabolic steroids, hormones, and pre-cursors. We are conditioned and marketed in a way that makes us look for short cuts to results, and shun anyone who doesn't use supplements because we are using them. But there are a few things to consider.

- Are you at such a high level of conditioning, size, and strength that the only thing left to do is manipulate your hormones? Many people get on the Steroid / Supplements bandwagon in hopes to bypass the hard work and time it takes to build a physique worth having. I would understand the mindset of someone that has reached sub-8% bodyfat, maximum strength, and competing in powerlifting or bodybuilding as their life's mission, deciding to take steroids to go to the "next level". But a common gym goer, wanna-be fighter, or average person that is usually below optimal physical conditions is not a candidate for Steroids.

- Many Supplements/Steroids are NOT FDA approved or ethically tested.
To avoid costs and being exposed, supplement companies do not test their products or attain approvals, by purchasing them you are agreeing to the risk you are taking. Aside from the obvious illegality issues, almost 90% of supplements and hormones out there are not tested and can have drastic effects on your immune system (not forgetting to mention your health). The sad truth is that many men take supplements because they think it is the norm for gym-goers and athletes, thinking it will advance their game / body. While it may very well help them lift more, burn more fat, etc, what they don't pay attention to are the long term irreversible effects it will have on your immune system. If you are not a top level athlete, monitored by a team of coaches and doctors, then don't play with things you do not understand. Many steroid users and supplement users (consuming them over 3-5 years) face various physical and internal complications that they convince themselves are not related to supplements. Examples of side effects are: Liver complications, Kidney Stones, IgE increase, developing allergies, food intolerances, Leaky Gut Syndrome, Yeast Overgrowth in Intestinal tracts, Hormonal Imbalance, Urticaria / Hives, poor insulin sensitivity and dependance on supplements... These are just a few of the very real potential effects of supplements.

- Hypertrophy applies to ALL muscles, this includes your Heart Muscle.
When you consume creatine, whey protein, GH, Steroids, and any muscle altering supplements you MUST understand that it does not target your biceps, pecs, delts, legs, and lats alone... These supplements create a rapid growth environment for any and all Muscles in the body, some of which you do NOT want to overgrow. One of those muscles is your heart. When the heart absorbs pure whey protein, pumps blood that is unnaturally high in Iron/Minerals, and is in a state of hypertrophy due to the training under these conditions, it begins to grow. As the heart grows, your heart pumps harder and raises blood pressure, also wearing and tearing all connecting arteries. This leads to heart palpitations, increased blood pressure, and ultimately heart failure.


I know that all the above is not what many want to hear, and I'm sorry to be 'that person'. I hope that by writing this I can help just one person avoid the fate that many unfortunately walk themselves into by trusting supplement companies who are only developing heavily branded products to fatten their pockets and with no concern for your health. This is a highly lucrative industry and I don't care who tells you they care about their customers and are organic / healthy.. It's all bullshit. What else will they say? "We are chemically created to get you results, without regard for the future"? That isn't a strong slogan.

Think deeply about what goes into your body. When you are 60+, muscles don't matter, power is relative, and your bench press doesn't mean shit. You want to be able to walk right, piss without needing a nap afterwards, and enjoy life.

Eat right, train right, stay flexible and take care of your body, it's the only place you have to live in.

Zeid

bore off

 

[jabelar]

I grew up in early seventies when steroids were essentially legal. I firmly believe that everyone has the right to do what they want with their body and that most drugs should be legal. But I do believe that many PEDs are harmful, some of them very much so.

I did roids for about three years and they did work but also did harm. My heart ultimately got enlarged and my heartbeat turned irregular and I have permanently high blood pressure. During the eighties i several of my heroes die from steroid abuse, either heart, liver or infections. I saw Munzer shortly before he died, he was so huge he needed a separate stool for each leg when he sat down. It still happens a lot ... What do you think happened to Kimbo?

On top of the known damage, there is the fact that since it illegal that you really don't know what you're injecting. Even if you think your source is legitimate they can get duped by the Chinese powder suppliers. Heck Chinese suppliers are willing to poison baby food to make a buck. Basically you're injecting random chemicals with various quality, contaminants, etc.

Lastly, while I believe some supplements are safe, like creatine, it is a slippery slope. I almost died taking ephedra when it was first popularized and that was sold in the mall.

Even legit pharmaceuticals are a mixed bag of side effects.

When I was a teenager my friends and I had the goal to get 200lbs. So we would pool our allowances and buy tubs of "weight gainer". It would literally have a picture of a sumo wrestler on it. It was just carbs. Now I wish I could get DOWN to 200lbs.

The main problem is that we usually see the positives and not the negatives. Schwarzenegger was impressive and used his physique for fame and money, but who knows how much he had to spend to keep himself alive. His organs are probably rotten inside. Whenever I see my wife drooling over some movie stars body I admit I'm tempted to use again, cause you know that those stars are using. But for the common Joe it really isn't worth it. Live for the long haul and stay safe!

 

[Patrick Jane]

To quote Don Frye: "More."

 

[Italian Brock]

99% of the body building/IFBB pros be it Phil Heath/Arnie or physique guys like Jeff Seid are on GEAR.

TS, are you familiar with FFMI (fat free muscle index)?



http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi

So, in an article; it dictated that about 24.6 was the limited whereby, above, clearly on GEAR. Zyzz for instance was a known user and admittedly. He was @ 25 rating. Arnold Mr Olympia 7x was 27. So called fake natty Simone Panda has a rating of 28 (another words, GEAR between breakfast and brunch).

Jeff Seid was somewhere around 24+ so, basically at the or above the user target. In all likelihood, he uses given he rolls with ChestBrah (Zyzz bro) a known GEAR crusher. Kino was below. Quite a few natty lifters were below but who knows? Many cycle and or may use a little.

I know a woman who is in her middle or late 20s on GEAR. Looks like a dude from the neck down and has a receding hairline. Tell tale sign.


The real question is; what do you want? There is no two ways about it? If you want to be a Pro IFBB, you have no choice. You can be a Natty body builder like L Norton but, these guys get TRT a lot of time so, the so called natty title is questionable at best. Diaz bros called out GEAR in MMA but, I bet its in pro sports. A known drug dealer wrote a book on supplying many athletes and actors/actresses.

Do you think Dwayne Johnson is natty? How about Zac Efron? What about Hugh Jackman? Taylor Lautner when he stacked on "30lbs of muscle?" Kid likely went ham lifting but in all likelihood was using with 24/7 doctors/nutritionists/dieticians etc. For millions, people will do anything.


Lastly, Jeff Seid has better aesthetics at 15/16 then most dudes on GEAR fully grown men. Seid blows Zyzz out of the water but, he is a pro, likely on GEAR, and there is little to combat that with.

The last one is a tell tale give away lol
What do you want? The fallout is not pretty. Anybody heard about how Ronnie "Light weight baby" Coleman is doing now?

Spoiler

The sad and unfortunate aspect to the conclusion of Ronnie Coleman’s career is not that he is a mere shadow of his former self, will never again display super human strength or the fact that he will once again be a mere mortal (if that was even ever the case), but that at the age of 50 will endure a decreased quality of life as a result of the repercussions of his injuries and surgeries required to alleviate them. He will experience restricted physical function, discomfort and the possibility of chronic pain for the rest of his life.
https://www.ironmanmag.com.au/profiles/profiles/870-ronnie-colemans-injuries-nwas-it-all-worth-it

The fallout is not pretty.



Forever mrrin!

WAR ZYZZ

Zyzz was a fucken moron not only did he use steroids ( and looked mediocre for all the stuff he was taken tbh) also used drugs such as mollys, cocaine , etc..

 

[Italian Brock]

The USA demonizes steroids but if used responsibly are great .. not one study can claim that steroids alone has caused deaths .. the deaths we've heard involving steroids always seem to forget to mention that they also abused opiates etc.. that and if you get stuff off the Internet = God only knows what's in them lol .

 

[Bekim]

bore off

The guy is on YouTube, standard self promotion, it really should be banned.

 

[hiphopnazi]

Zyzz was a fucken moron not only did he use steroids ( and looked mediocre for all the stuff he was taken tbh) also used drugs such as mollys, cocaine , etc..

The dude is a joke, who was made out as some sort of legend. There are thousands of those same exact blokes residing in Sydney.

 

[Sano]

Hey Bekim,

Sure thing, below is a link that covers "Cardiac Hypertrophy" and how athletes have recurrently faced this problem due to their hypertrophy based training and supplementation, and others on research of creatine and protein on heart muscle:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1768197/
http://www.everydayhealth.com/colum...pplementation-with-creatine-do-to-your-heart/
http://nutritionstudies.org/no-whey-man-ill-pass-on-protein-powder/

Hope they clear things up for you. Natural, Whole foods is always the best option. Nobody is too busy for their own health.

As for Pea Protein, I do not have much research into this and cannot definitively comment, but I'll repeat: Supplements are designed to sell and not to help. If they help, great, but the goal is to sell.

To explain, when protein powders are formulated, they boast their "fast absorbing" properties as though that is a good thing. Our muscles (aesthetic muscles) surely benefit by growing and rebuilding faster with fast absorbing proteins, but our bodies internally were not designed for this. The heart and lungs do not want fast absorbing proteins, as they also recruit available protein to grow and rebuild. Natural foods are not quick absorbing because our digestive system was not designed to absorb it like that.

Think about that.

Zeid

I know it's been said, but I'm going to harp on it anyway.

If you went to school for any lenght of time you should be a little more critical of your source material. What you posted does not support your argument and is mostly conjecture.

I agree that supplements are overrated, and does have negative health benefits in some cases, but to suggest that protein is on the level of anabolic steroids is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Quinton Overeem]

As someone with extensive research in the matter and studied various supplementation benefits / risks, here are my two cents:

I'm against any/all supplements, including Steroids. The problem starts from things as basic as MultiVitamins, to BCAA, to Creatine, to finally anabolic steroids, hormones, and pre-cursors. We are conditioned and marketed in a way that makes us look for short cuts to results, and shun anyone who doesn't use supplements because we are using them. But there are a few things to consider.

- Are you at such a high level of conditioning, size, and strength that the only thing left to do is manipulate your hormones? Many people get on the Steroid / Supplements bandwagon in hopes to bypass the hard work and time it takes to build a physique worth having. I would understand the mindset of someone that has reached sub-8% bodyfat, maximum strength, and competing in powerlifting or bodybuilding as their life's mission, deciding to take steroids to go to the "next level". But a common gym goer, wanna-be fighter, or average person that is usually below optimal physical conditions is not a candidate for Steroids.

- Many Supplements/Steroids are NOT FDA approved or ethically tested.
To avoid costs and being exposed, supplement companies do not test their products or attain approvals, by purchasing them you are agreeing to the risk you are taking. Aside from the obvious illegality issues, almost 90% of supplements and hormones out there are not tested and can have drastic effects on your immune system (not forgetting to mention your health). The sad truth is that many men take supplements because they think it is the norm for gym-goers and athletes, thinking it will advance their game / body. While it may very well help them lift more, burn more fat, etc, what they don't pay attention to are the long term irreversible effects it will have on your immune system. If you are not a top level athlete, monitored by a team of coaches and doctors, then don't play with things you do not understand. Many steroid users and supplement users (consuming them over 3-5 years) face various physical and internal complications that they convince themselves are not related to supplements. Examples of side effects are: Liver complications, Kidney Stones, IgE increase, developing allergies, food intolerances, Leaky Gut Syndrome, Yeast Overgrowth in Intestinal tracts, Hormonal Imbalance, Urticaria / Hives, poor insulin sensitivity and dependance on supplements... These are just a few of the very real potential effects of supplements.

- Hypertrophy applies to ALL muscles, this includes your Heart Muscle.
When you consume creatine, whey protein, GH, Steroids, and any muscle altering supplements you MUST understand that it does not target your biceps, pecs, delts, legs, and lats alone... These supplements create a rapid growth environment for any and all Muscles in the body, some of which you do NOT want to overgrow. One of those muscles is your heart. When the heart absorbs pure whey protein, pumps blood that is unnaturally high in Iron/Minerals, and is in a state of hypertrophy due to the training under these conditions, it begins to grow. As the heart grows, your heart pumps harder and raises blood pressure, also wearing and tearing all connecting arteries. This leads to heart palpitations, increased blood pressure, and ultimately heart failure.


I know that all the above is not what many want to hear, and I'm sorry to be 'that person'. I hope that by writing this I can help just one person avoid the fate that many unfortunately walk themselves into by trusting supplement companies who are only developing heavily branded products to fatten their pockets and with no concern for your health. This is a highly lucrative industry and I don't care who tells you they care about their customers and are organic / healthy.. It's all bullshit. What else will they say? "We are chemically created to get you results, without regard for the future"? That isn't a strong slogan.

Think deeply about what goes into your body. When you are 60+, muscles don't matter, power is relative, and your bench press doesn't mean shit. You want to be able to walk right, piss without needing a nap afterwards, and enjoy life.

Eat right, train right, stay flexible and take care of your body, it's the only place you have to live in.

Zeid

Dude I love your posts. Thanks a lot for essential infos.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

What the fuck emojitsu. Some studies. I definitely dont drink whey protein because it does give me stomach issues (all dairy does) but to tell a high level athlete that extra protein is bad for them is just straight up wrong.

Both creatine and protein are both found in the body, and creatine has been shown to have numerous benefits and is even neuro protective.
Although if you take supplements like this without upping your water consumption by at least 2x, you could definitely be doing some harm to your kidneys/liver imo.

 

[wellz6]

Hey Wellz6,

Yes, actually went to school for it. I believe there definitely is a good future in it but I recommend specializing yourself in things like sports nutrition, diabetes, and/or going the commercial route of branding yourself in a field and creating your own programs / coaching systems. Nutritionists and Dietitians are not all created equal; how you market yourself and prove your track record is usually more important than your studies unless you are going a medical route. These days online can be a greater income source that a physical job. Worth thinking about

Hope that helps.

Awesome. What was the name of your degree? I know that different universities may have a different name regarding their nutrition programs. The most common I've seen for a bachelor's is nutrition science. I am debating on that for next year. One thing that has peaked my interest is doctorate degrees in things like biomolecular nutrition which from my understanding deals with how nutrients in food and supplements interacts with your body/cells based on your genes and your own personal genetic makeup. Seems interesting, what are your thoughts on that?

 

[Fedorgasm]

I generally believe people should be allowed to inject whatever they want if they're not competing, but i have to say it's really annoying when chicks are impressed by a guy who's clearly roiding.

Chicks see zac effron or marky mark or chris Hemsworth put on a ton of muscle for a movie role, then they look at you and wonder why you don't do the same thing, since in their mind it only takes a few months of hard work.

 

[Kframe]

As someone with extensive research in the matter and studied various supplementation benefits / risks, here are my two cents:

I'm against any/all supplements, including Steroids. The problem starts from things as basic as MultiVitamins, to BCAA, to Creatine, to finally anabolic steroids, hormones, and pre-cursors. We are conditioned and marketed in a way that makes us look for short cuts to results, and shun anyone who doesn't use supplements because we are using them. But there are a few things to consider.

- Are you at such a high level of conditioning, size, and strength that the only thing left to do is manipulate your hormones? Many people get on the Steroid / Supplements bandwagon in hopes to bypass the hard work and time it takes to build a physique worth having. I would understand the mindset of someone that has reached sub-8% bodyfat, maximum strength, and competing in powerlifting or bodybuilding as their life's mission, deciding to take steroids to go to the "next level". But a common gym goer, wanna-be fighter, or average person that is usually below optimal physical conditions is not a candidate for Steroids.

- Many Supplements/Steroids are NOT FDA approved or ethically tested.
To avoid costs and being exposed, supplement companies do not test their products or attain approvals, by purchasing them you are agreeing to the risk you are taking. Aside from the obvious illegality issues, almost 90% of supplements and hormones out there are not tested and can have drastic effects on your immune system (not forgetting to mention your health). The sad truth is that many men take supplements because they think it is the norm for gym-goers and athletes, thinking it will advance their game / body. While it may very well help them lift more, burn more fat, etc, what they don't pay attention to are the long term irreversible effects it will have on your immune system. If you are not a top level athlete, monitored by a team of coaches and doctors, then don't play with things you do not understand. Many steroid users and supplement users (consuming them over 3-5 years) face various physical and internal complications that they convince themselves are not related to supplements. Examples of side effects are: Liver complications, Kidney Stones, IgE increase, developing allergies, food intolerances, Leaky Gut Syndrome, Yeast Overgrowth in Intestinal tracts, Hormonal Imbalance, Urticaria / Hives, poor insulin sensitivity and dependance on supplements... These are just a few of the very real potential effects of supplements.

- Hypertrophy applies to ALL muscles, this includes your Heart Muscle.
When you consume creatine, whey protein, GH, Steroids, and any muscle altering supplements you MUST understand that it does not target your biceps, pecs, delts, legs, and lats alone... These supplements create a rapid growth environment for any and all Muscles in the body, some of which you do NOT want to overgrow. One of those muscles is your heart. When the heart absorbs pure whey protein, pumps blood that is unnaturally high in Iron/Minerals, and is in a state of hypertrophy due to the training under these conditions, it begins to grow. As the heart grows, your heart pumps harder and raises blood pressure, also wearing and tearing all connecting arteries. This leads to heart palpitations, increased blood pressure, and ultimately heart failure.


I know that all the above is not what many want to hear, and I'm sorry to be 'that person'. I hope that by writing this I can help just one person avoid the fate that many unfortunately walk themselves into by trusting supplement companies who are only developing heavily branded products to fatten their pockets and with no concern for your health. This is a highly lucrative industry and I don't care who tells you they care about their customers and are organic / healthy.. It's all bullshit. What else will they say? "We are chemically created to get you results, without regard for the future"? That isn't a strong slogan.

Think deeply about what goes into your body. When you are 60+, muscles don't matter, power is relative, and your bench press doesn't mean shit. You want to be able to walk right, piss without needing a nap afterwards, and enjoy life.

Eat right, train right, stay flexible and take care of your body, it's the only place you have to live in.

Zeid

You lost credibility a bit when you threw creatine and Protein in with steroids.

 

[bVlgari]

People who told me years ago that I should try it and it wasn't dangerous if I just did it right are facing the consequences now. Not worth the risk, if your life doesn't depend on it or something.