Syrian Government Sarin Stockpiles Definitively Linked to Civilian Gassing in Civil War

[HomerThompson]

I'm kind of upset.

I can't think of any Sarin Gas and/or Chemical weapon puns.

No big deal, it probably wouldn't have cut the mustard anyway.

 

[HomerThompson]

was sarin the gas used in The Rock?

other than this, and the IIRC Tokyo subway shit, I don't even recall Sarin ever really being used, that's some wild shit

That was ricin in Tokyo, I believe. Unless there are separate incidences.

 

[HomerThompson]

Of course it did. that also means nothing.

The idea that the syrian government had control over all its weapon stockpiles during a civil war is pants on head retarded.

So, are you disputing the findings discussed in the article?

 

[HunterSdVa29]

That was ricin in Tokyo, I believe. Unless there are separate incidences.

there might be another incident i'm missing
but the 95 one was Sarin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

 

[Ruprecht]

was sarin the gas used in The Rock?

other than this, and the IIRC Tokyo subway shit, I don't even recall Sarin ever really being used, that's some wild shit

Can't be too hard to make, that Aum Shinrikyo cult that did the subway attack were making it on a remote station in Western Australia.
It was Saddam's use of it on the Kurds and in the Iran-Iraq war that I first remember though.

 

[HomerThompson]

there might be another incident i'm missing
but the 95 one was Sarin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

Thanks, my bad.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Can't be too hard to make, that Aum Shinrikyo cult that did the subway attack was making it on a remote station in Western Australia.
It was Saddam's use of it on the Kurds and in the Iran-Iraq war that I first remember though.

just researched the history of Sarin use and you're right

although they apparently were using an 'imperfect' form of Sarin, likely resulting in so little deaths. But ya, when a group of like 8 guys can do that......that's sketchy haha

 

[Seaside]

Holding your breath doesn't help with Sarin.

Oooohh

But who actually used it?

This Foreign Policy article says that Al Nusra and ISIS acquired Syrian Chemical weapons when they captured a Syrian Army base. This happened 3 months before the Aleppo attack.

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Abu Ahmed told us how the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) came to acquire some of the world’s most fearsome weapons, which were claimed as spoils of war from Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces months before its creation.

Roughly four months before the split between the Nusra Front and ISIS,in December 2012, dozens of Syrian jihadi fighters climbed a hill toward Regiment 111 — a large army base near the town of Darat Izza, in northern Syria. That town had been taken roughly five months earlier by a coalition of rebel groups. But while they had besieged Regiment 111 since the summer of 2012, they still had not succeeded in capturing the base from the troops loyal to President Assad.


The weather had turned bad in winter, however, making it more difficult for the Syrian Air Force to hold off the rebels with airstrikes. Moreover, the base was huge, sprawling over almost 500 acres, and difficult to protect from all approaches.


Syrian Army soldiers inside Regiment 111 successfully defended their base during the first rebel attack in early November 2012, killing 18 Nusra fighters in the process. But the cold December wind only fortified the rebels’ resolve. The base was a goldmine: home to guns, artillery, ammunition, and vehicles. And deep inside Regiment 111’s bunkers lay something even more valuable — a cache of chemical weapons.

The attack was led by the Nusra Front and supported mainly by Kataib Muhajiri al-Sham, a unit within Liwa al-Islam; Majlis Shura al-Mujahideen; and Katibat al-Battar, which consisted largely of Libyan jihadis. The fighters knew that the base possessed ammunition and other weapons, but did not know in advance it contained chemical weapons.

As the rebels climbed the hills near Regiment 111, intense fighting erupted. “That day, all of us were full of excitement and revenge,” Abu Ahmad told us. “Everybody wanted to avenge the 18 Nusra brothers who were martyred during the first attack. People were screaming: ‘This time we will conquer it!’”

Within a day, the combined jihadi forces had broken through the lines of the Syrian Army. Shortly after, Regiment 111 was fully under jihadi control. They found large stocks of weapons, ammunition and, to their surprise, chemical agents. They were, according to Abu Ahmad, mainly barrels filled with chlorine, sarin, and mustard gas.

What followed was the distribution of the war spoils. Everybody took some ammunition and weapons. But only the Nusra Front seized the chemical weapons. Abu Ahmad watched as the al Qaeda affiliate called in 10 large cargo trucks, loaded 15 containers with chlorine and sarin gas, and drove them away to an unknown destination. He did not see what happened to the mustard gas.

Three months later, both the Syrian government and rebel groups reported an attack in Khan al-Assal, near Aleppo. The international media said that 26 people had been killed, among them 16 regime soldiers and 10 civilians. Both the Syrian regime and opposition claimed that chemical weapons had been used — and both accused the other of having carried out one of the first chemical weapons attacks in the Syrian war.

Abu Ahmad kept his mouth shut in public, but privately he and some of his Syrian jihadi comrades discussed the matter. Although they did not have any evidence, they wondered whether the material used in the Khan al-Assal attack had been taken from Regiment 111. He knew he couldn’t ask Abu al-Atheer for clarification. By now he had learned one of the golden rules of the secretive jihadi movement: When it’s none of your business, keep quiet.

“Among our people, it is not done to ask,” Abu Ahmad told us.

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http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/17/how-the-islamic-state-seized-a-chemical-weapons-stockpile/

The Americans brought the world Iraq war and a shit ton of other things in the hundreds all last century and 18 years into this one. So many coups and assassinations and overthrow and economic war.

It is possible this shit is framed. Saudis and many people want see Assad gone. I can believe it was Syrian army though but who knows.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

also the Wiki page for Sarin attacks already states that the second major one of the Syrian Civil War was done BY THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT (air force specifically) hahah

it doesn't specify yet the two 2013 attacks who was responsible

one of you guys get on that haha

also the Syrian government did sign that resolution w/ US and Russia after the two 2013 attacks stipulating they'd turn in the rest of the weapons and join the Treaty preventing them. Obviously they didn't.....

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

No big deal, it probably wouldn't have cut the mustard anyway.

8/10

 

[EZShrimpn]

So, are you disputing the findings discussed in the article?

No one ever refuted that syria had chemical weapons. we just made the true statement that no one can prove who used them as both sides had a motive to do so.

 

[HomerThompson]

No one ever refuted that syria had chemical weapons. we just made the true statement that no one can prove who used them as both sides had a motive to do so.

From the article:

NO CHANCE REBELS BEHIND GHOUTA
Smithson and other sources familiar with the matter said it would have been virtually impossible for the rebels to carry out a coordinated, large-scale strike with poisonous munitions, even if they had been able to steal the chemicals from the government’s stockpile.

“I don’t think there is a cat in hell’s chance that rebels or Islamic State were responsible for the Aug. 21 Ghouta attack,” said Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, an independent specialist in biological and chemical weapons.

The U.N.-OPCW inquiry, which was disbanded in November after being blocked by Syria’s ally Russia at the U.N. Security Council, also found that Islamic State had used the less toxic blistering agent sulfur mustard gas on a small scale in Syria.

The Ghouta attack, by comparison, was textbook chemical warfare, Smithson and de Bretton-Gordon said, perfectly executed by forces trained to handle sarin, a toxin which is more difficult to use because it must be mixed just before delivery.

Surface-to-surface rockets delivered hundreds of liters of sarin in perfect weather conditions that made them as lethal as possible: low temperatures and wind in the early hours of the morning, when the gas would remain concentrated and kill sleeping victims, many of them children.

Pre-attack air raids with conventional bombs shattered windows and doors and drove people into shelters where the heavy poison seeped down into underground hiding places. Aerial bombing afterwards sought to destroy the evidence.

The large quantity of chemicals used, along with radar images of rocket traces showing they originated from Syrian Brigade positions, are further proof that the rebels could not have carried out the Ghouta attack, the experts said.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

ya as he just said, obtaining the Sarin is one thing in a Civil War

being actually trained to handle/store/launch/clean it up are two entirely different things tho

 

[Treeloy]

I dont believe these experts. I think they are full of shit.

 

[Quipling]

I dont believe these experts. I think they are full of shit.

Hard to argue with this reasoning. The level of detail is really what gives it the persuasive force that it has.

 

[Fawlty]

I think people here will accept this truth finally, since we seem to have collectively gotten over those incredibly weird boners that we had for Assad for couple years. That was mega awkward.

 

[LuchaBear]

There were multiple posters in here doubting it.

@VivaRevolution especially.

And you were the one claiming that Iran(You know, Syria's daddy), should be the U.S's number one M.E ally... Or are we going to act like Iran had no control over this while Hezbollah has been in the area for almost 40 years now..

Next time Israel bombs their factories, you better not be crying about it.

 

[Quipling]

And you were the one claiming that Iran(You know, Syria's daddy), should be the U.S's number one M.E ally... Or are we going to act like Iran had no control over this while Hezbollah has been in the area for almost 40 years now..

Next time Israel bombs their factories, you better not be crying about it.

This is a really unwieldy whataboutism.

 

[LuchaBear]

This is a really unwieldy whataboutism.

No it's just pointing out the idiocy in saying that Iran should be the U.S's number one ally in the Middle East. As if Iran isn't behind this at all..

Take your whataboutism and shove it up your ass.

 

[Trotsky]

There were multiple posters in here doubting it.

@VivaRevolution especially.

I believe SBJJ too